Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Curious Cdn

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i think the founding fathers of america showed a lot of foresight in everything they did, so you can't convince me that they thought the 2nd ammendment should limit civilians to black powder muskets so that some gun control lawyer in 202x can take away everyone's 1911 autoloader.

They wouldn't have conceived of today's firepower or of weapons as consumer goods. You are reading recent (within my lifetime) interpretations of the Second Amendment by the Libertarian/anarchist NRA leadership that hijacked that gun club a few decades back. People didn't think that sort of crapola in the 1940s, 50s. It's new. It's recent. It's bizarre and twisted.
 

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i think the founding fathers of america showed a lot of foresight in everything they did, so you can't convince me that they thought the 2nd ammendment should limit civilians to black powder muskets so that some gun control lawyer in 202x can take away everyone's 1911 autoloader.

Yeah, slavery, Indians, women, all those issues the Framers showed all that foresight with!

Which is pretty much all the answer your doltish false dichotomy deserves.
 

JamesBondo

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I think that the authors of the Second Amendment wished to create a civilian militia as a supplement to the federal or state military in case of a military emergency.
I believe that your belief is not consistent with the fundemental priciples as described by the declaration of independance so once again I would encourage you to read a little about John Locke and the principles of his that were applied to the declaration of independance. I did not mean it lightly when I said that in order for your version of the 2nd ammendment to be true, a whole lot of people must have changed their mind about what kind of america they wanted.

Yeah, slavery, Indians, women, all those issues the Framers showed all that foresight with!

Which is pretty much all the answer your doltish false dichotomy deserves.

f#ck you! there is nothing false about my dichotomy, and it is probably bigger than yours so go play hands across america with your hippy loving Occupy wallstrèet buddies.

They wouldn't have conceived of today's firepower or of weapons as consumer goods. You are reading recent (within my lifetime) interpretations of the Second Amendment by the Libertarian/anarchist NRA leadership that hijacked that gun club a few decades back. People didn't think that sort of crapola in the 1940s, 50s. It's new. It's recent. It's bizarre and twisted.

really? well maybe you should try wikipedia:

Locke affirmed an explicit right to revolution in*Two Treatises of Government: “whenever the Legislators endeavor to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common Refuge, which God hath provided for all Men, against Force and Violence. Whensoever therefore the*Legislative*shall transgress this fundamental Rule of Society; and either by Ambition, Fear, Folly or Corruption,*endeavor to grasp*themselves,*or put into the hands of any other an Absolute Power*over the Lives, Liberties, and Estates of the People; By this breach of Trust*they forfeit the Power, the People had put into their hands, for quite contrary ends, and it devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty.”[4]

that doesnt sound like a principle that didnt want civilians to be empowered with firearms.
 

OpposingDigit

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I read somewhere today that the NRA wants "Open-Carry" privileges extended into the Congress itself.
Do yuh think that the members of congress would vote for this "Freedom" in their legislature?
 

JamesBondo

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I read somewhere today that the NRA wants "Open-Carry" privileges extended into the Congress itself.
Do yuh think that the members of congress would vote for this "Freedom" in their legislature?

I read somewhere that the NRA are putting salt petre in starbucks lattes in order to gain mind control over the masses
 

Curious Cdn

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Why? DO you think some other religion has cornered the market on morals?

I would say that secular North America doesn't give much of a shyte about anything anymore and it's every man for himself among most of you. If it were not so, we would take a lot better care of each other and not allow you all to do murderous things because of some misguided idea that it's your "right" to do so. We are marching into total anarchy based on total purile selfishness.
 

Danbones

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I read somewhere that the NRA are putting salt petre in starbucks lattes in order to gain mind control over the masses

salt peter

I remember the old vets talking about that:

Vet one says: "Hey man, do remember the stuff they gave us 50 years ago during the war to keep our weiners down?
"Yeah," says his buddy, "That saltpeter stuff?"
"Yup!" says his old buddy,
The second vet says, "What about it?"

A gorgeous girl walks by...

Says the first vet, "I think it's finally starting to work!"

Watch out for the rolling pin......He was pastry cook in the CDN navy.....

Used to cook in the canadian navy?
:)
thats past tree cook...
 

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I would say that secular North America doesn't give much of a shyte about anything anymore and it's every man for himself among most of you. If it were not so, we would take a lot better care of each other and not allow you all to do murderous things because of some misguided idea that it's your "right" to do so. We are marching into total anarchy based on total purile selfishness.
Now you really are getting worked up . This is just the internet , not real life .
 

JamesBondo

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I would say that secular North America doesn't give much of a shyte about anything anymore and it's every man for himself among most of you. If it were not so, we would take a lot better care of each other and not allow you all to do murderous things because of some misguided idea that it's your "right" to do so. We are marching into total anarchy based on total purile selfishness.

what murderous thing do you think I've done?
 

Twin_Moose

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No, they wished to recognize the already-existing citizen militias. The Framers did not believe in a standing army. They ha plenty of experience with the redcoats oppressing them, and they felt that a standing army would just be a tool for the government. Given that the new U.S. was a month's travel from any enemy, that's not surprising.


Or attacking the Indians here, there, and everywhere. Also groups of bandits beyond the ability of the county sheriff to handle.


The Brown Bess. And it would be used for much more than hanging over the fireplace. Most Americans in the 18th century hunted their food. The rifle was fairly common, enough so that several states had entire militias composed of riflemen, like the famous Kentucky Rifles.


But they also wouldn't have been able to conceive of the pressures and social problems of cities of millions of population in a small area, or the existence of entire classes of career criminals.

Same way they couldn't have conceived of the internet or the television. Doesn't mean the First Amendment is irrelevant to those fora.

Wasn't it also in part the belief that the citizens would have the right to rise up to a government believed to be going off track and against the peoples will? Having the same right to bare arms that compare in capacity that the military have at their disposal to be able to protect it's citizens from any threat from home and abroad? Isn't that why militia's are able to this day able to purchase military grade equipment and train in private while spewing that the Gov. is against them? Just going on memory from school history so some of my questions maybe wrong ;)
 

JamesBondo

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Wasn't it also in part the belief that the citizens would have the right to rise up to a government believed to be going off track and against the peoples will? Having the same right to bare arms that compare in capacity that the military have at their disposal to be able to protect it's citizens from any threat from home and abroad? Isn't that why militia's are able to this day able to purchase military grade equipment and train in private while spewing that the Gov. is against them? Just going on memory from school history so some of my questions maybe wrong ;)

Yep, a gov run militia would not necessarily serve the citizens. The citizens need the ability to rise up and form their own militia.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/chicago-murders-2017-statistics/index.html

Despite all the odds, it seems Chicago murder by gun stats are coming down.

Good to see. It looks like they are confirming one of my posts from yesterday by enforcing existing laws rather than creating additional laws.
 

Colpy

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30 shot mags?


Yeah.

And they don't work.

The guy in the Colorado theatre shooting had a 100 round mag......and it jammed very early on, causing him to switch to his handgun, if I remember correctly.

The guy that shot the congresswoman had a 32 round mag in his Glock pistol, and it jammed, pretty well ending the shooting.

There is a reason the military uses 30 round mags.
 

petros

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What's the hurry if you are the only person in a theatre with a gun? Take you time, focus on the busiest exit and you'll kill more with less ammo.

That's IF YOU ARE THE ONLY ARMED PERSON in a theatre.
 

Hoid

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/chicago-murders-2017-statistics/index.html

Despite all the odds, it seems Chicago murder by gun stats are coming down.
The truth is that Chicago is not even a violent city as violent cities go in America.

If the first black president was not from there it would not be the icon of violence that it is.

Because those two things - guns and race - are intertwined in the American psyche.

If anyone else but black people had been warned not to carry guns because the police would shoot them there would have been a national crisis.

#boycottnra is really starting to roll.

this is how you change culture.

(you know you are bottom of the barrel when United Airlines won't associate with you)

The full list of companies to have boycotted the NRA so far:

Alamo Rent a Car

Avis

Allied Van Lines

Bestwestern

Budget

Chubb Insurance

Delta Air Lines

Enterprise Rent-a-Car

First National Bank of Omaha

Hertz

MetLife

North American Van Lines

Paramount Rx

SimpliSafe

Symantec

TrueCar
 

Colpy

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The truth is that Chicago is not even a violent city as violent cities go in America.

If the first black president was not from there it would not be the icon of violence that it is.

Because those two things - guns and race - are intertwined in the American psyche.

If anyone else but black people had been warned not to carry guns because the police would shoot them there would have been a national crisis.

#boycottnra is really starting to roll.

this is how you change culture.

(you know you are bottom of the barrel when United Airlines won't associate with you)

The full list of companies to have boycotted the NRA so far:

Alamo Rent a Car

Avis

Allied Van Lines

Bestwestern

Budget

Chubb Insurance

Delta Air Lines

Enterprise Rent-a-Car

First National Bank of Omaha

Hertz

MetLife

North American Van Lines

Paramount Rx

SimpliSafe

Symantec

TrueCar

Ummmmm....there are over 3,000 cities in the USA with a population of over 10,000.

Chicago is number 25 by murder rate. In the top 1%.

The 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the US | National News | bismarcktribune.com

And I'll keep wearing my NRA belt buckle.

Amazing that idiots want to blame the NRA for the school shooting when the FBI violated its own protocols and ignored two warnings.

That the Sheriff's Dep't ignored two specific warnings in the last couple of months before the shooting.

That Sheriff's deputies (FOUR of them) hid behind their cars with guns drawn while the shooting was going on.

And you want Americans to turn in their guns, and depend on law enforcement to protect them.
 

Hoid

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Chicago is the punching bag for gun violence because the first black president came from there and is identified with Chicago and lets all the little racists have their little racist say.

Nobody gives a **** what you wear.