Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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bluebyrd35

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JamesBondo said:
Nope, there is no need to imply that because you haven't implyed that the police stop using firearms, so for you it is about preventing crime with firearms unless an armed innocent civilian is part of a story where the police are minutes away.[/QUOTE


No of course not, because I support the police being armed just as I believe military protecting our country should be. That has nothing to do with arming a civilian population without very strict rules. It seems to me, addressing the violence inherent in a particular society much more productive.
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OK, maybe gun control is a little bit useful sometimes. . .


Firing-range instructor hands 9-year-old an Uzi. Now he’s dead.

By Gail Sullivan August 27

A 9-year-old girl at a shooting range outside Las Vegas accidentally killed an instructor on Monday morning when she lost control of the Uzi he was showing her how to use.

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The girl, whose name wasn’t released, visited the outdoor shooting range while vacationing with her parents. She’d fired the 9mm weapon, designed for use by the Israeli defense forces in the 1940s, several times in single-shot mode. But when it was set to fully automatic the weapon recoiled and she lost control.

“The guy just dropped,” Mohave County Sheriff Jim McCabe told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Sprawling across more than 30 acres in the Mojave desert 26 miles from Vegas, Bullets and Burgers advertises itself as an “Outdoor Machine Gun Adventure” with a “Desert Storm atmosphere.” “Our guests have the opportunity to fire a wide range of fully automatic machine guns and specialty weapons,” the Web site says. “At our range, you can shoot FULL auto on our machine guns. … Let ‘em Rip!”

The shooting range’s Web site says the minimum age for the “ground adventure” is 8, and children ages 8 to 17 “must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian at all times.”

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In a similar incident in 2008, 8-year-old Christopher Bizilj shot himself to death with an Uzi at a Mass. gun show organized by a former police chief. The boy was with his father, an emergency room doctor, who bought him the gun for Christmas.

Firing-range instructor hands 9-year-old an Uzi. Now he’s dead. - The Washington Post

. . . or maybe not. As much as we'd like to, you simply cannot fix stupid.

Think of it as evolution in action.

By the way, great gift to celebrate the coming of the Prince of Peace.
 
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Reading the news: We prefer knives 8O

Gotta be some gadam sangfroid to push that blade in. Must be something in the Scots Irish ancestry, - bayonets and clubs.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
OK, maybe gun control is a little bit useful sometimes. . .


Firing-range instructor hands 9-year-old an Uzi. Now he’s dead.

By Gail Sullivan August 27

A 9-year-old girl at a shooting range outside Las Vegas accidentally killed an instructor on Monday morning when she lost control of the Uzi he was showing her how to use.

* * * * *

The girl, whose name wasn’t released, visited the outdoor shooting range while vacationing with her parents. She’d fired the 9mm weapon, designed for use by the Israeli defense forces in the 1940s, several times in single-shot mode. But when it was set to fully automatic the weapon recoiled and she lost control.

“The guy just dropped,” Mohave County Sheriff Jim McCabe told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Sprawling across more than 30 acres in the Mojave desert 26 miles from Vegas, Bullets and Burgers advertises itself as an “Outdoor Machine Gun Adventure” with a “Desert Storm atmosphere.” “Our guests have the opportunity to fire a wide range of fully automatic machine guns and specialty weapons,” the Web site says. “At our range, you can shoot FULL auto on our machine guns. … Let ‘em Rip!”

The shooting range’s Web site says the minimum age for the “ground adventure” is 8, and children ages 8 to 17 “must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian at all times.”

* * * * *

In a similar incident in 2008, 8-year-old Christopher Bizilj shot himself to death with an Uzi at a Mass. gun show organized by a former police chief. The boy was with his father, an emergency room doctor, who bought him the gun for Christmas.

Firing-range instructor hands 9-year-old an Uzi. Now he’s dead. - The Washington Post

. . . or maybe not. As much as we'd like to, you simply cannot fix stupid.

Think of it as evolution in action.

By the way, great gift to celebrate the coming of the Prince of Peace.
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One day last fall, two men rented a hand gun at separate target ranges in Florida. Both used them to commit suicide. Neither range now rents out guns. It did however, solve the problem of cost of purchasing a gun and solved the legal problems while doing away with housecleaning afterwards by loved ones.
 
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bluebyrd35 said:
One day last fall, two men rented a hand gun at separate target ranges in Florida. Both used them to commit suicide. Neither range now rents out guns. It did however, solve the problem of cost of purchasing a gun and solved the legal problems while doing away with housecleaning afterwards by loved ones.
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Pretty smart.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
That's a great theory, but it turns out there are lots more factors than the mere presence or ownership of guns. Turns out there is no correlation between prevalence of gun ownership and violence, or even prevalence of gun ownership and gun violence, among the states. Some high-ownership states have a lot of violence, some have relatively little. Some low-ownership states, and those with the strictest laws, have high levels of violence and gun violence.

The only conclusion that can be drawn so far is that if there is any correlation between gun ownership and gun violence at all, it is only one factor among many in a very complex system. Or that there is no correlation.



It's probably not as great as you think. According to Dr. James Fox of Northeastern University, 40% of all partner abuse, 35% of all severe partner abuse, defined as partner abuse requiring medical attention, and 33% of all partner homicide is committed by women on men in heterosexual couples. And it's generally known among those who pay attention that the majority of child abuse is committed by women (though that can be accounted for by the fact that women have far more interaction with children than men). The point is that, while it is true that men commit more violence than women, the popular perception that violence by women is rare isn't borne out by the facts.

Not that I'm presenting that as a reason to own guns, mind. Just correcting what may be some misperceptions. Can't do good reasoning without accurate facts.
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Defining severe partner abuse requiring medical attention, points more to physical abuse, rather than rape, unless the partner uses such things as beer bottles or knives to commit the act. As for child abuse by women, that tends to run to verbal and physical abuse, not rape.


500 rapes or sexual assault of women, everyday in the US, is 182,500 a year. This includes no stats of child abuse.
 
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bluebyrd35 said:
...only that Canada's laws in comparison with the US's are superior...
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If you should want to try to stay objective, then please point out that Canada's crime stats(ie lack of crime) were superior to the US's stats way back in the 1970s.

This is a significant fact because 1970 precedes 40 years worth of Canadian gun controllaws. It suggests that Canada's awesomeness comes from other laws and differences, and it also demonstrates a great deal of dishonesty towards advocates of our gun laws.
 
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Cold, Canadian Hands - Small Dead Animals

The CBC gets it totally wrong, as does (of course) the Star.

Notice PRESS PROGRESS makes fun of the concept of loving freedom.........no surprise there.
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There is an angle to this story that I would apreciate some speculation from everyone.

The inaccuracies seem pretty extreme. The Byline guy blaims it on ignorance, but I would like everyone to consider what they feel would be the most reasonable assumption on what is to blame? Is this ignorance? Or is it intentional inacuracies meant to misinform ignorant viewers? Or is it a systematic flaw sucj as an editor that rewrites an article to deliberately achieve a more sensationalized article? Don't tell me what you want it to be, what do you think is the most reasonable explanation?

Imo, I don't think ignorance is a reasonable explanation.I think it is deliberate misinformation. It is a not a surprise to anyone here that there is no such thing as non-partisan media, so i think that these inaccuracies manifested themselves from any on of several partisan ways to distort the truth. Something like a biased editor or a culture that encourages the journalist to slip it in, which of course means the editor approved.
 
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