Government's Plan For Indiginous People
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Just to be clear I am Metis
(harty har har maties!)
worried about the taxes we pay towards the indigs?
try this:
"What if Natives Stop Subsidizing Canada?...
...There is a prevailing myth that Canada's more than 600 First Nations and native communities live off of money -- subsidies -- from the Canadian government. This myth, though it is loudly proclaimed and widely believed, is remarkable for its boldness; widely accessible, verifiable facts show that the opposite is true."
What if Natives Stop Subsidizing Canada? | The Media Co-op
when the doctors wanted to find a control group to compare the toxicity of Canadian mothers, they found that the control group from James bay , which they thought would be pristine, and a good base line, turned out to be the most toxically poisoned of all the women in canada
if Canada honored its treaties, and returned the legitimate wealth there in to the proper owners as is stated in the treaties canada would be BROKE
only about 17 percent of money gets to the reserves the rest is STOLEN by WHITEY before it even gets there, and thats a posh gig, which is why all the propaganda, NEGATIVE about the Injuns
keeps the bigoted peeps all fuzzy wuzzy superior, and feeling groovey
of course the thieves are going to blame the vics
thats whities' way
so so much for the taxes begrudgers
see my previous post
PS
the best joke is:
white is the new red baby
bailins from Harpey on the verge...
enjoy
"The Algonquins of Barriere Lake have a traditional territory that spans 10,000 square kilometres. For thousands of years, they have made continuous use of the land. They have never signed a treaty giving up their rights to the land. An estimated $100 million per year in revenues are extracted every year from their territory in the form of logging, hydroelectric dams, and recreational hunting and fishing."
from my above link
by all means move them off that reserve because they can't get jobs
the chinese and the muslims and the mexicans need a place to live
and pay for that with your tax dollars
I was going to put the word suckers here, but thats my tax dollars too
(harty har har maties!)
worried about the taxes we pay towards the indigs?
try this:
"What if Natives Stop Subsidizing Canada?...
...There is a prevailing myth that Canada's more than 600 First Nations and native communities live off of money -- subsidies -- from the Canadian government. This myth, though it is loudly proclaimed and widely believed, is remarkable for its boldness; widely accessible, verifiable facts show that the opposite is true."
What if Natives Stop Subsidizing Canada? | The Media Co-op
when the doctors wanted to find a control group to compare the toxicity of Canadian mothers, they found that the control group from James bay , which they thought would be pristine, and a good base line, turned out to be the most toxically poisoned of all the women in canada
if Canada honored its treaties, and returned the legitimate wealth there in to the proper owners as is stated in the treaties canada would be BROKE
only about 17 percent of money gets to the reserves the rest is STOLEN by WHITEY before it even gets there, and thats a posh gig, which is why all the propaganda, NEGATIVE about the Injuns
keeps the bigoted peeps all fuzzy wuzzy superior, and feeling groovey
of course the thieves are going to blame the vics
thats whities' way
so so much for the taxes begrudgers
see my previous post
PS
the best joke is:
white is the new red baby
bailins from Harpey on the verge...
enjoy
"The Algonquins of Barriere Lake have a traditional territory that spans 10,000 square kilometres. For thousands of years, they have made continuous use of the land. They have never signed a treaty giving up their rights to the land. An estimated $100 million per year in revenues are extracted every year from their territory in the form of logging, hydroelectric dams, and recreational hunting and fishing."
from my above link
by all means move them off that reserve because they can't get jobs
the chinese and the muslims and the mexicans need a place to live
and pay for that with your tax dollars
I was going to put the word suckers here, but thats my tax dollars too
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They couldn't defend it against us, That means it belongs to us. We won.
If we use your logic the land belongs to the animals because they were there first. Stop being such a loser. The land belongs to whom can defend it.
The natives should be happy we didn't kill them all.
I'm pretty sure all those Provincial Parks can be turned into treatment centers and then you really would be making an income that would impress everybody. (even more than the curing existing addictions) Better get on that bus before it sails away.
Trying to explain the facts of life to a knuckle dragger like yourself, would be a colossal waist of time.
The natives couldn't defend there land, they are lucky we had pity over them and stopes slaughtering them. It shows how good hearted the white folks are. We could have irradicated them from the face of this earth but we didn't. Canada is ours
You might want to review Canadas available land forces before you commit us to an aboriginal war. Much of that area is not good for tanks. Logistics would be a nightmare, distance and fuel would be problematic, quides would be scarce. Why don't you shut up before you cost us a lot of money.
You might want to review Canadas available land forces before you commit us to an aboriginal war. Much of that area is not good for tanks. Logistics would be a nightmare, distance and fuel would be problematic, quides would be scarce. Why don't you shut up before you cost us a lot of money.
Even with our military as it is right now we would wipe them out in a few years. You over estimate them.
The natives should be grateful at how generous and kind hearted the Canadians are and have been with them,
No we wouldn't because there is no appetite in Canada for wiping them out. What there is an appetite for is shutting off the endless supply of money sucked into the system. We don't have to fight them to do that.
Not only do they have that option but many of them have already taken it.
For one, people should educate themselves on the conditions and legal status of indigenous people, their land and their treaties. I wouldn't expect people to have in depth knowledge of everything, but at the very least do away with the idea that the problem is that they lack civilization, and the solution is relocation and assimilation.
Second, try to understand a little history too. Up until very recently, government projects to "fix the problem" have been exactly what you describe: relocation and bringing "civilization" and assimilation. It's literally what was tried in residential schools. And while much of the controversy around that program was abuse, neglect and death, it was also a government attempt at cultural genocide.
Third, we could ditch the attitude that the government has done enough, it's the indigenous people's fault, we're so hard done by, and it's about time we just give up. Most of the governments efforts were not helpful and for a long time not intended to be. Conditions in indigenous communities are to a large extent the result of half-assed and failed government projects on top of the deliberate theft of land and violations of treaty rights. What was done and is being done to indigenous people in this country has created deep-rooted problems that require more than a few photo-ops or a quick fix.
While people continue to yap about Indians perhaps someone could supply us with a link showing the funds expended in each province and the Indian population in the province, instead of just giving us a bunch of rhetoric with nothing to back it up! 
The whole idea we owe them anything is utter bull $hit.
We chose to be kind to them because we recongnise that we gave them a $hit kicking and they had no ability to defend against our superior fire power. That's why we must never forget that military budget is important.
While people continue to yap about Indians perhaps someone could supply us with a link showing the funds expended in each province and the Indian population in the province, instead of just giving us a bunch of rhetoric with nothing to back it up!
It's hard to tell how many Indians there are in Canada. The ethnic groups of the Indian sub-continent might not identify as "Indian", as that's more of a nationality than an ethnicity. People use the term to refer to people from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as well. The normal term to demographers here is South Asian. How much does the government spend on South Asians? Not sure if enough statistics are kept to figure that out. I know in Vancouver and Surrey every year the city's host the Vaisakhi parade. That's gotta cost a lot in security and traffic control.
And then of course with the indigenous bunch there are full breeds, half breeds, quarter, eighth and so on!
To comment on some of the replies;
Yes, we are all equal under the law and not to be discriminated against for any reason on paper but it doesn't always happen that way in everyday life. Discrimination is an everyday occurrence at some level, everywhere. Most times it doesn't get reported, people just walk away from it When it does get reported and a tribunal is held by the Human Rights Commission or in a court of law, the discriminated party may win legally, but he loses socially for he will become a pariah among his co-workers and/or peers. I've seen this happen.
My sister married an Ojibwe man. He had left the reservation and joined the army illegally at age 16, fought in the last years of WW11 and returned home to live a normal life among the general population.
One of my best friends is Metis. She too joined the Air Force and worked as a telegraph operator. Both of these people preferred to be identified as 'North American Indians'. It seems that the change to saying 'Indiginous people' and 'aboriginals' is the creation of the white man, not the Natives themselves. The idea of changing what you call people is insulting imho, as it implies that there is something shameful about being an Indian. It is NOT!
Of course they are free to leave the reservation and live among the general population. It can be accomplished by the stout of heart but those who are not so bold will not make it. There will inevitably be discrimination, difficulty getting good employment. The discrimination is evident in the numbers of missing and murdered Native women that has people so stirred up.
I don't see anything constructive about looking back on what has been done in the past. The English won the battle for Canada, rightly or wrongly, and that is ancient history. There is no way to change what has been. I think the Indians were badly treated. Treaties broken, their way of life destroyed, put on remote lands and denied the advantages that others were given. The French also were defeated in the battle for Canada but the government has granted uncountable concessions to them while they have granted none to the Indians except for giving them allotments.
Government continues to kowtow to the French Canadians and new immigrants from around the world. It's past time for them to give equal benefits to the First Nations. But only if the First Nations want it. Does anybody know what they want? Do they know themselves?
I sure as hell don't think any of the rest of us know; we're only going by what media tells us.
Yes, we are all equal under the law and not to be discriminated against for any reason on paper but it doesn't always happen that way in everyday life. Discrimination is an everyday occurrence at some level, everywhere. Most times it doesn't get reported, people just walk away from it When it does get reported and a tribunal is held by the Human Rights Commission or in a court of law, the discriminated party may win legally, but he loses socially for he will become a pariah among his co-workers and/or peers. I've seen this happen.
My sister married an Ojibwe man. He had left the reservation and joined the army illegally at age 16, fought in the last years of WW11 and returned home to live a normal life among the general population.
One of my best friends is Metis. She too joined the Air Force and worked as a telegraph operator. Both of these people preferred to be identified as 'North American Indians'. It seems that the change to saying 'Indiginous people' and 'aboriginals' is the creation of the white man, not the Natives themselves. The idea of changing what you call people is insulting imho, as it implies that there is something shameful about being an Indian. It is NOT!
Of course they are free to leave the reservation and live among the general population. It can be accomplished by the stout of heart but those who are not so bold will not make it. There will inevitably be discrimination, difficulty getting good employment. The discrimination is evident in the numbers of missing and murdered Native women that has people so stirred up.
I don't see anything constructive about looking back on what has been done in the past. The English won the battle for Canada, rightly or wrongly, and that is ancient history. There is no way to change what has been. I think the Indians were badly treated. Treaties broken, their way of life destroyed, put on remote lands and denied the advantages that others were given. The French also were defeated in the battle for Canada but the government has granted uncountable concessions to them while they have granted none to the Indians except for giving them allotments.
Government continues to kowtow to the French Canadians and new immigrants from around the world. It's past time for them to give equal benefits to the First Nations. But only if the First Nations want it. Does anybody know what they want? Do they know themselves?
I sure as hell don't think any of the rest of us know; we're only going by what media tells us.
Isn't it how they ended up there in the first place?
The last residential school closed its doors in ancient history (1996). And if a bunch of Indians are so sensitive as to develop PTSD after just a few years of physical, sexual, or emotional abuse at residential school or intergenerationally from parents suffering PTSD and living in a PTSD-ridden community, that's their problem. Only a commie would think the government should take responsibility for its actions.