Government's Plan For Indiginous People

JLM

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I listened to Shawn Atleo, hereditary chief from Ahousat giving an hour talk on C.B.C. radio tonight. If some of the members in the forum yammering away about Indians spent the same time listening to what he has to say, their knowledge might improve by 1000%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Atleo

Maybe check out his credentials at the bottom of the biography.

Believe whatever you choose to believe. A government plan for indigenous people flies in the face of the self government that's been flagged about. First Nations made it pretty
The riddance of Harper, this is the point which Canada departs fron the established crap. May he moulder. Canadan must persue it's own vision of itself instead of the globalist viosion of Canada, we can't do that ****.

We are a fair people.

Perhaps you are selling Harper a little short!
 

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Leave them in their current locations but make sure they have some of the newer phones so the digital world can come to them.

Where many of these folks live, the only source of power generation comes from burning diesel. Also, in a lot of these places food and essentials shipped in cost 5 to 10 times what it cost us. You can't feed folks with internet alone.
 

petros

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There are funds that cover the inflated costs of essentials but it does nothing for quality and variety of foods.
 

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One of the more fundamental problems with the reserve system is too many Chiefs look at them as their own little kingdom to rule. For many residents on the various reserves, their "quality" of life depends a fair bit on their standing with the Chief and the Elders. Corruption among the Chiefs and Elders is no different than with any other govt. There'll be corrupt one and ones that aren't.


Another major issue is a form of emotional blackmail. There are several reserves where the people know that if they leave to live in "the White man's world", they won't be welcomed back, essentially being ex-communicated from the band. Not all are that bad, some are more reasonable about it if you're leaving for an available educational or employment opportunity. Those Chiefs and Elders put quality of life well above identity politics. I know some will try and claim that the primary reason most remain on the reserve is financial, but in the cases where full on emotional blackmail is employed by the Chiefs, simply providing them the means to leave won't guarantee they'd take the opportunity.


It's not all horrible though. There are quite a few communities that overall are doing ok in part because they at least have a road/highway connection and are relatively close to other infrastructure and populations.
When it comes to education, one place in particular (Crow River IIRC) is doing great things. Their curriculum is up to standards, preparing their students for life in a 21st century world, while also providing them an education in their own culture, traditions and language, all while maintaining a 90% graduation rate.


Thankfully there are reserves with Chiefs who understand that identity politics is bullspit if your people are suffering, but I guess we'll just have to grasp the concept that just like everyone else on the planet, the Native people of Canada have greedy, selfish, self-serving a$$holes too.


Cliffy, in his ham-fisted, uppitysnit attempt to be condescending back on page one is right though. They're just going to have to sort some of this stuff out themselves, and without us telling them what needs to be done and how. Can't really say, "Well you'll have to get rid of your corrupt leaders before things start to improve," when we keep electing and re-electing idiots ourselves.
 

JLM

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One of the more fundamental problems with the reserve system is too many Chiefs look at them as their own little kingdom to rule. For many residents on the various reserves, their "quality" of life depends a fair bit on their standing with the Chief and the Elders. Corruption among the Chiefs and Elders is no different than with any other govt. There'll be corrupt one and ones that aren't.

Good...........................a post with some balance!
 

petros

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They're just going to have to sort some of this stuff out themselves, and without us telling them what needs to be done and how. Can't really say, "Well you'll have to get rid of your corrupt leaders before things start to improve," when we keep electing and re-electing idiots ourselves.
Which breaks down even further to each individual Band having to decide it's path but it require the women to be the leaders to do it. They women have the educations and the will to lead the change. Until men catch up to the women, little will happen to fully even the playing field in modernization of remote and rural Bands.

I have zero faith in the men.
 

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Gotta love "white" people who think they know what's best for indigenous people. You think you know about them when all you know is the history according to the dominant culture which means you know squat about them. Not everybody thinks our "culture" is all that great. The Protestant work ethic is slavery and you all think you are free. You ain't. Leave the indigenous people to work out their own future. It is none of your business. It is not your money that is being spent on reserves, it is theirs: payment for robbing them blind of their land, resources, culture and language. Yup, Clarence Louis is a very successful Apple.
A very successful apple . How very condescending of you .
 

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Where many of these folks live, the only source of power generation comes from burning diesel. Also, in a lot of these places food and essentials shipped in cost 5 to 10 times what it cost us. You can't feed folks with internet alone.
What you save by moving them to a location they aren't welcome in would pay for the extra cost of getting them the same supplies the 'other people have'. Communication would help them decide if they want to start mixing with the 'flat-landers' as they can act pretty crazy at times.
An Indian PM and Cabinet, tables overturned by 10AM, I'd watch that channel.
 

petros

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The government asked the priests to buttfuk little boys?

Aha! One of the confused. As stated in post #72...
Ummmmmm. No!

Many people apparently yourself included believe it was Catholic thanks to what was happening in the US at the same time. Even Natives thought that too by calling settlement payments "ar$e money". The bandwagon jumpers.
 

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They couldn't defend it against us, That means it belongs to us. We won.

If we use your logic the land belongs to the animals because they were there first. Stop being such a loser. The land belongs to whom can defend it.

The natives should be happy we didn't kill them all.
You should consider yourself lucky to be a descendant of people who could have been offed as soon as they set foot on shore. Some indigenous peoples actually welcomed Europeans.
You are not in the habit of thinking too deeply, are you? (it is a rhetorical question and does not need reply)

The natives couldn't defend there land, they are lucky we had pity over them and stopes slaughtering them. It shows how good hearted the white folks are. We could have irradicated them from the face of this earth but we didn't. Canada is ours
Canada is inhabited by Canadians, regardless of culture.

The whole idea we owe them anything is utter bull $hit.

We chose to be kind to them because we recongnise that we gave them a $hit kicking and they had no ability to defend against our superior fire power. That's why we must never forget that military budget is important.
lmao "We"? hahahahaha

You seem to forget a lot of things. Have you ever heard of Viet Nam? There was war there for a while. A few different countries went there to try and control things and failed in spite of having vastly superior technology.
Scoot your immature little butt over here with your tank and rocket launcher and Uzi against me. I will draw you out into the bush and make you squeal "uncle" with a stick.

Most of you have good points and are correct for the most part.
I do not think reservations were a good idea. What happened in the USA also happened here and Europeans sometimes moved natives off good productive land to land that was not only foreign to them as far as knowing what to grow for food and the like, but land that was not as good for growing or locating food sources.
In spite of Angies overconfident and ignorant rants, it was disease that decimated indigenous peoples, not wars.
 
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Scoot your immature little butt over here with your tank and rocket launcher and Uzi against me. I will draw you out into the bush and make you squeal "uncle" with a stick..

Hehehe...I love it when tough talkers get into silly pissing contests
 

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You should consider yourself lucky to be a descendant of people who could have been offed as soon as they set foot on shore. Some indigenous peoples actually welcomed Europeans.
You are not in the habit of thinking too deeply, are you? (it is a rhetorical question and does not need reply)

Canada is inhabited by Canadians, regardless of culture.

lmao "We"? hahahahaha

You seem to forget a lot of things. Have you ever heard of Viet Nam? There was war there for a while. A few different countries went there to try and control things and failed in spite of having vastly superior technology.
Scoot your immature little butt over here with your tank and rocket launcher and Uzi against me. I will draw you out into the bush and make you squeal "uncle" with a stick.

Most of you have good points and are correct for the most part.
I do not think reservations were a good idea. What happened in the USA also happened here and Europeans sometimes moved natives off good productive land to land that was not only foreign to them as far as knowing what to grow for food and the like, but land that was not as good for growing or locating food sources.
In spite of Angies overconfident and ignorant rants, it was disease that decimated indigenous peoples, not wars.
I don't remember how many Cherokee died on the trail of tears but there were plenty. Andrew Jackson just simply stole their home in Georgia, and moved them to that gawd forsaken Oklahoma territory. Nothin but red clay and high winds. Not a fan of Jackson at all.

Hehehe...I love it when tough talkers get into silly pissing contests
is there any sentence in your vocabulary that doesn't include the word silly?
 

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Most of you have good points and are correct for the most part.
I do not think reservations were a good idea. What happened in the USA also happened here and Europeans sometimes moved natives off good productive land to land that was not only foreign to them as far as knowing what to grow for food and the like, but land that was not as good for growing or locating food sources.
In spite of Angies overconfident and ignorant rants, it was disease that decimated indigenous peoples, not wars.


If desease and not war killed most of the natives. Why the fu€k are all the brain dead pot heads screaming injustice!?!?! and whine that the white man stole the land and all this BS?


You all have free healthcare now, and don't need to pay taxes for it. How kind do we have to be in order for you to stop crying like little bit€hes?

I mean, look I understand that natives are inferior and will always require us to support them. They just don't have what it takes to be successful human beings in this day and age.

Not to worrie, the white people are so kind they will subsidize your pathetic existence.

We are feeling generous for the "less fortunate" then us.

Looks like we are always helping everyone. What a bunch of useless humans all these none white folks are

Your welcome for all the money btw. Your check is in the mail.
 
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