Gerald Stanley Not Guilty

[Mowich]

Yeah, Boushie's dead, and Stanley walks.

Damn them Induns! They get all the good stuff!

You forgot the /s, Tec.

If Colton's death does anything, I hope it is to inform other people that there could be serious consequences to one's actions. Driving around drunk with a loaded firearm invading not one but two farms could only end in trouble. That in this case, it ended in the death of Boushie is at the extreme end of consequence and could have been prevented had but just one of those in the vehicle realized that their actions were not in the best interests of all involved.

I don't damn the Indians but I do hold them to account for their irresponsible behavior.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You forgot the /s, Tec.

If Colton's death does anything, I hope it is to inform other people that there could be serious consequences to one's actions.

Yep. Killing a few to intimidate the others is pretty standard colonizer tactics.

Driving around drunk with a loaded firearm invading not one but two farms could only end in trouble. That in this case, it ended in the death of Boushie is at the extreme end of consequence and could have been prevented had but just one of those in the vehicle realized that their actions were not in the best interests of all involved.

All true, and as I've said before, on the information I have, it appears the case came out the right way.

But your assertion that the dead man got a "free pass," and the one found not guilty is "being made to pay" was, how shall I put it. . . bovine excrement.

I don't damn the Indians but I do hold them to account for their irresponsible behavior.

Well, better load up the old rifle and give 'em a 30-calibre "free pass," then.

You know, from the very first, I've said this case was about two men, and race was irrelevant. But considering the number of Old Stock Canadians here that insist on making it about Indians and whites, I'm beginning to wonder if that's entirely true.

 

[Decapoda]

But your assertion that the dead man got a "free pass," and the one found not guilty is "being made to pay" was, how shall I put it. . . bovine excrement.

Well, better load up the old rifle and give 'em a 30-calibre "free pass," then.

I think implying natives got a "free pass" is missing the mark. If anything, I think the reason the Stanley verdict is so contentious is precisely because they didn't get a free pass, to the dismay of many; the actions and intent of the group that day formed a strong part of the premise of the defense. It's also fair to say that those who are contending that Boushie was shot solely because he was native on a "white man's" property is so far off the mark it's antagonistically abhorrent. Many would prefer to flog the "innocent kids out for a day of fun when the white guy started shooting" narrative. This is appallingly dishonest as would be apparent to anyone with a modicum of honesty and couple of functioning brain cells.

You know, from the very first, I've said this case was about two men, and race was irrelevant. But considering the number of Old Stock Canadians here that insist on making it about Indians and whites, I'm beginning to wonder if that's entirely true.

I agree with your first statement, although it was about more than 2 men...I think everyone in that SUV who rolled onto the Stanley farm that day is every bit as responsible for the outcome as Stanley and Boushie.

I disagree with your broad generalization and derogatory implication that whites in general (or "old stock Canadians" as you put it) have made this all about race. I think there's a lot of that going on from both sides of the argument, regardless of skin colour. This was clearly apparent before the trial ever started when Boushie's family was openly declaring their prediction that the outcome would be unfair because the system is racist.

Trying to make that implication about "old stock Canadians" is about as intellectually lazy as people who are now insisting that the legal system and jury selection process has to be changed for natives because the outcome didn't fit the one they wanted, and are implying that the system is somehow "rigged" .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I disagree with your broad generalization and derogatory implication that whites in general (or "old stock Canadians" as you put it)

Don't blame me. I'm just quoting Harpo (or Stevie Minion, as I like to call him).

have made this all about race.

I said "old stock Canadians" here (emphasis provided), meaning on this board.

And as I said, "old stock Canadians" was Stevie Minion's attempt to inject race into the last election, so you can blame him.

Trying to make that implication about "old stock Canadians" is about as intellectually lazy as people who are now insisting that the legal system and jury selection process has to be changed for natives because the outcome didn't fit the one they wanted, and are implying that the system is somehow "rigged" .

Precisely. As I said, I came out very strongly from the git-go denying race had anything to do with it. In so doing, I was directly contradicting the people (mostly Induns and white lefties) who claimed it was about race and the system was rigged. It's the outpouring of bile from some members of the White Right, here and elsewhere, that's making me re-think that.

 

[justlooking]

It's the outpouring of bile from some members of the White Right, here and elsewhere, that's making me re-think that.

That is just people fighting back.
We have had to listen to the 'only whitey can be racist' BS narrative for 25 years now,
some people are getting really tired of it, and are pushing back.
The racism angle started as soon as whathisfaces body was cold, with the full of shit family
calling everything racist, and idiot white people parroting the 'they were just out for a drive and needed help for a tire'
complete and utter lies.
All this before the trial was even scheduled.
Never mind the trumped up charges which should never have been brought up in the first place;
that only happened because of FN whining.

 

[Murphy]

It's not over, but what happens next is not known. Will racial tensions explode? Will there be violence? Or will everyone work things out?

And...what of the woman in red?

 

[Decapoda]

Don't blame me. I'm just quoting Harpo (or Stevie Minion, as I like to call him).


I said "old stock Canadians" here (emphasis provided), meaning on this board.

And as I said, "old stock Canadians" was Stevie Minion's attempt to inject race into the last election, so you can blame him.

Yeah, I predicted that would be your backdoor to avoid the obvious insinuation you made. I am fully aware who coined the term, thanks for the enthusiastic reminder(s). I'm also fully aware of the delight many take every time they find the opportunity to paint old white guys with the label.

Precisely. As I said, I came out very strongly from the git-go denying race had anything to do with it. In so doing, I was directly contradicting the people (mostly Induns and white lefties) who claimed it was about race and the system was rigged. It's the outpouring of bile from some members of the White Right, here and elsewhere, that's making me re-think that.

As I said, I agree with you on the first point, I disagree with your gross generalization on the second.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That is just people fighting back.
We have had to listen to the 'only whitey can be racist' BS narrative for 25 years now,
some people are getting really tired of it, and are pushing back.
The racism angle started as soon as whathisfaces body was cold, with the full of shit family
calling everything racist, and idiot white people parroting the 'they were just out for a drive and needed help for a tire'
complete and utter lies.
All this before the trial was even scheduled.
Never mind the trumped up charges which should never have been brought up in the first place;
that only happened because of FN whining.

No, the racism angle started with Champlain.

If you want to own Canada's accomplishments, which are impressive, you also gotta own the less savory parts of Canadian history and culture.

 

[DaSleeper]

No, the racism angle started with Champlain.

If you want to own Canada's accomplishments, which are impressive, you also gotta own the less savory parts of Canadian history and culture.

If my father a descendant of a French colonist had not met my mother a descendant of the Algonquin from Maniwaki
I wouldn't be here to bug the he hell out of y'all.....
That must makes me an equal opportunity racist depending on which side of the bed I get up in the morning.....or .....the guy who doesn't like me is white or native.....
I rather think it gives me a somewhat but not perfect objective view of the situation.
Again it all depends if someone or something rubs me the wrong way....
Now how is that for honesty!!!

According to my genealogy that french ancestor came to Canada about the same time as Champlain,.... maybe on the same boat.....dunno!

 

[taxslave]

Yep. Killing a few to intimidate the others is pretty standard colonizer tactics.


All true, and as I've said before, on the information I have, it appears the case came out the right way.

But your assertion that the dead man got a "free pass," and the one found not guilty is "being made to pay" was, how shall I put it. . . bovine excrement.


Well, better load up the old rifle and give 'em a 30-calibre "free pass," then.

You know, from the very first, I've said this case was about two men, and race was irrelevant. But considering the number of Old Stock Canadians here that insist on making it about Indians and whites, I'm beginning to wonder if that's entirely true.

I'm not seeing where race is relevant as far as the crime or court case go. Where it is relevant is the uproar after the verdict when many natives and their apologists were up in arms over the outcome. Or at least pretended to be for the media.

 

[JLM]

This story is about a father and son on the one side repairing a fence and a car load of hooligans on the other side driving drunk, packing fire arms, trespassing on private property and stealing. It's got f**k all to do with ethnicity.

 

[gerryh]

This story is about a father and son on the one side repairing a fence and a car load of hooligans on the other side driving drunk, packing fire arms, trespassing on private property and stealing. It's got f**k all to do with ethnicity.

Sure it does, ask Tbones.

 

[JLM]

Sure it does, ask Tbones.

You can't be jeopardizing the livelihood of defense lawyers!

 

[JLM]

You forgot the /s, Tec.

If Colton's death does anything, I hope it is to inform other people that there could be serious consequences to one's actions. Driving around drunk with a loaded firearm invading not one but two farms could only end in trouble. That in this case, it ended in the death of Boushie is at the extreme end of consequence and could have been prevented had but just one of those in the vehicle realized that their actions were not in the best interests of all involved.

I don't damn the Indians but I do hold them to account for their irresponsible behavior.

Anyone who disagrees with this has blinders on, Mowich. Defense lawyers often do their clients a huge injustice. Defense lawyers should be seeing their clients get a fair trial, not to buck the laws of the country. People who do this should be charged with treason.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'm not seeing where race is relevant as far as the crime or court case go. Where it is relevant is the uproar after the verdict when many natives and their apologists were up in arms over the outcome. Or at least pretended to be for the media.

Me neither, but when so many conservatives start yapping about how a dead man got a free pass and a man who was acquitted was made to pay, you gotta wonder what's going on.

You can't be jeopardizing the livelihood of defense lawyers!

Are we back at this, JLM?

 

[JLM]

Me neither, but when so many conservatives start yapping about how a dead man got a free pass and a man who was acquitted was made to pay, you gotta wonder what's going on.

The man who was acquitted was done so after years of inconvenience, expense and worry. Is that justice?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The man who was acquitted was done so after years of inconvenience, expense and worry. Is that justice?

No. Justice would be the cops coming by and saying "Dead Injun? No problem. You're gonna have to call somebody to get that hauled away, though."

Certainly charging a man who shot somebody to death is ridiculous. That's not a crime.

 

[Cannuck]

Certainly charging a man who shot somebody to death is ridiculous. That's not a crime.

Especially since they were stealing. Death is clearly the appropriate punishment.

 

[taxslave]

Me neither, but when so many conservatives start yapping about how a dead man got a free pass and a man who was acquitted was made to pay, you gotta wonder what's going on.



I don't know if you saw all the media interviews with various native leaders and their apologists but many of them were demanding a jury with natives on it. Now that is clearly rascist. They also tried to claim Bouchie did nothing wrong despite all evidence to the contrary.
We do know that there is a huge problem with crime,drugs and alcohol on most of the reserves in that area and it is not racist to admit it since denial is part of the problem rather than the solution.
Another big problem is lack of policing in rural areas. When the nearest cop shop is 3 towns and 5 grain elevators down the road you are effectively on your own.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Especially since they were stealing. Death is clearly the appropriate punishment.

I know, right? The cops shoulda just come along, listened to Stanley's account of what happened, corroborated it with his son's account (because no son would ever lie to protect his father, that'd be downright unCanadian!) and, as I said, told Stanley he'd have to get the corpse hauled off someplace. Maybe snapped a pic or two to make sure Boushie was a redskin.

After all, it's the 21st century. Dragging the corpse off into the woods and leaving it is beneath our notions of Canadian decency.

Me neither, but when so many conservatives start yapping about how a dead man got a free pass and a man who was acquitted was made to pay, you gotta wonder what's going on.



I don't know if you saw all the media interviews with various native leaders and their apologists but many of them were demanding a jury with natives on it. Now that is clearly rascist. They also tried to claim Bouchie did nothing wrong despite all evidence to the contrary.
We do know that there is a huge problem with crime,drugs and alcohol on most of the reserves in that area and it is not racist to admit it since denial is part of the problem rather than the solution.
Another big problem is lack of policing in rural areas. When the nearest cop shop is 3 towns and 5 grain elevators down the road you are effectively on your own.

Nope, the racist part is to assume all redskins are drunk, addicted criminals. But hey, they get a free pass, right? Not one single redskin in a Canadian prison or nothing.