Gerald Stanley Not Guilty

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The background of the victim is the main factor in determining if a shooting is accidental or not.

Obviously.
 

taxslave

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So First Nations people being treated differently by the justice system is one of the good things about Canada.

Good to know.

Not good. They get preferential treatment most of the time. DO you even know what a "sentencing circle" is?
For a democracy to operate successfully everyone must be treated equally. That means no special deals based on race. No promotions based on gender rather than merit. No get out of jail free card because of a bad childhood.

The background of the victim is the main factor in determining if a shooting is accidental or not.

Obviously.

The background of the victim or the criminal is totally irrelevant.
 

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Yes the first nations people gets lots of free trips to jail.

Do you consider the fact that Native people are given lighter sentences by law to be "natives being treated differently"?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-native-sentencing-court-rules/article535585/

What ever happened to equality before the law?

What ever happened to "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian"?
Of 14,624 inmates across the country, 3,723 are aboriginal people. In the Prairie provinces, 48 per cent of federal inmates are aboriginal people. For aboriginal women, the numbers are even higher. According to the most recent statistics, more than 36 per cent of women in prison are of aboriginal descent.

btw Colpy. Your lie is laughable

that "edict" came out because of a long history of disproportionately severe sentencing of First Nations people, you blockhead.
 

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Yes the first nations people gets lots of free trips to jail.


Of 14,624 inmates across the country, 3,723 are aboriginal people. In the Prairie provinces, 48 per cent of federal inmates are aboriginal people. For aboriginal women, the numbers are even higher. According to the most recent statistics, more than 36 per cent of women in prison are of aboriginal descent.

btw Colpy. Your lie is laughable

that "edict" came out because of a long history of disproportionately severe sentencing of First Nations people, you blockhead.

What that shows is that Indians are stupider criminals and get caught more than other races.
 

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I think the native community should think twice before deciding to make a martyr out of a thug. It only serves to weaken their cause for respect and fairness. There's a reason Gerald Stanley's GoFundMe account is nearing $200,000.

Had they thought at all they would have been quick to delete Colton's FB page considering that he outed himself as someone the law needed to keep an eye on. Had they thought at all they would not be involved in defrauding their own reserve. Had they thought at all they would have raised Colton to be a responsible member of society.
 

Hoid

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A responsible member of a society that refuses to treat him equally before the law?
 

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No. Nice try :laughing3: Not tonight.

 

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I think there's a deeper story going on here.

Our PM is all about trying to find the 'root causes' is he not? How about this...

A spoiled, entitled native youth who has been taught that the world owes him, downs a 40 ouncer...hops into a car with a shotgun...then goes on a stealing spree road trip.

And when it all goes badly, his family comes to Ottawa to speak to an entitled Prime Minister who took a $250,000 vacation to visit the Aga Khan.

Then they get together and cry out that the system is broken and needs to be fixed.

Meanwhile a hard-working farmer has become the scapegoat for decades of government mismanagement of the indigenous file.

Inconvenient truths can be painful.

If the PM wants to discuss 'mending fences', he should probably consult a farmer named Gerald Stanley...because that's exactly what he was doing with his son on the day in question.
 

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Therefore accidental shooting is ok.

It's not OK, but to be a crime there has to be intent!

I think there's a deeper story going on here.

Our PM is all about trying to find the 'root causes' is he not? How about this...

A spoiled, entitled native youth who has been taught that the world owes him, downs a 40 ouncer...hops into a car with a shotgun...then goes on a stealing spree road trip.

And when it all goes badly, his family comes to Ottawa to speak to an entitled Prime Minister who took a $250,000 vacation to visit the Aga Khan.

Then they get together and cry out that the system is broken and needs to be fixed.

Meanwhile a hard-working farmer has become the scapegoat for decades of government mismanagement of the indigenous file.

Inconvenient truths can be painful.

If the PM wants to discuss 'mending fences', he should probably consult a farmer named Gerald Stanley...because that's exactly what he was doing with his son on the day in question.

Pretty close...................More than anything else Trudeau is concerned about his own popularity. Anyone with half a brain can see he's as transparent as glass!

What that shows is that Indians are stupider criminals and get caught more than other races.

If you want to make a fair comparison of Indians to Whites, then you have to remove alcohol from the equation. How much difference would you find if teetotaling Indians were compared to teetotaling whites? Probably none.
 

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In my opinion, Justin Trudeau should have simply stated, "This is a tragedy for all of the families involved."

It would have been the fair, measured and appropriate response to this incident.

Not to mention at the upper limit of his mentality and ability!
 

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The background of the victim is the main factor in determining if a shooting is accidental or not.

Obviously.

Nope.

The actions, intent, and presence of weapons with the victim are the main factors in deciding if the shooting is justified.

If Stanley had STFU when the police arrived, the presence of a loaded rifle would have meant charges would not have been pressed.

As it is, he was found "not guilty" and is therefore "not guilty".
 

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The Crown knew from day one they'd never get a conviction on a man protecting his property and family from the IP.

If it came out immediately that they were IP 3 witnesses would have never walked away with no convictions for their testimony.

A Native man shooting a gangbanger robbing his property wouldn't have been convicted either.

Now we still have 3 gangbangers on the street thinking they are invincible.
 

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'Appalling' comment on Colten Boushie's death probed by RCMP
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February 15, 2018
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February 15, 2018 2:20 PM EST
Debbie Baptiste holds up a photo of her son Colten Boushie, as the family spoke to reporters in the Foyer of the House of Commons after a day of meetings on Parliament Hill, in Ottawa on Tuesday, Feb. 13, 2018.Justin Tang / THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA — The RCMP says it will undertake a code-of-conduct investigation into a private Facebook group posting by a person believed to be an officer who reportedly said Colten Boushie deserved to die.
A report on the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network says an RCMP officer on the Prairies posted the message, which says the shooting of the 22-year-old Indigenous man on a Saskatchewan farm should never have been about race.
Boushie died when he and four other people drove onto Gerald Stanley’s farm near Biggar, Sask., in August 2016.
Stanley was charged with second-degree murder and faced trial in Battleford, but was found not guilty by a jury last Friday.
A statement from RCMP National Headquarters in Ottawa says the social media posting is antithetical to the force’s standards and the Facebook group mentioned in the report is not managed by the RCMP.
Federal Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says the remark is unacceptable and there will be consequences, depending on the outcome of the investigation.
“This should never have been allowed to be about race … crimes were committed and a jury found the man not guilty in protecting his home and family,” the post said. “Too bad the kid died but he got what he deserved.”
APTN did not disclose the person’s identity, but said two sources shared screenshots of the posting and revealed who the officer is.
The message has since been deleted from the site called “News Stories that Matter to or May Impact RCMP,” which has 1,200 members who must answer questions posed by an administrator about their policing careers before being admitted.
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The RCMP’s statement in response to the story said on- and off-duty members must behave in accordance with the force’s code of conduct and that a member’s use of the internet for social networking is subject to the same standards.
It said members must avoid compromising the integrity of the RCMP or portraying themselves or the organization in a disgraceful or discreditable manner. When concerns about disrespectful content believed to be written by an RCMP employee are raised, “they are and will be investigated and addressed.”
“Public trust is essential for the RCMP to effectively fulfil its mandate. As a result, RCMP employees are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that meets the rightfully high expectations of Canadians,” said the release.
Near the end of the Stanley trial last week, Saskatchewan RCMP sent out a statement reminding people to work together “in a spirit of inclusiveness and understanding.”
“The RCMP is once again reminding people that they can and will be held responsible for their communications, both in-person and on-line, and police will investigate any complaints of suspected criminal behaviour,” it said.
Goodale said he has talked to the RCMP about what he calls an “absolutely appalling” remark.
“The facts are being determined and examined,” Goodale said. “If they turn out to be what they appear to be, this is unacceptable and there will be consequences.”
By Ken Trimble of The Canadian Press with files from APTN and CKRM

RCMP Facebook group claims Colten Boushie
‘Appalling’ comment on Colten Boushie’s death probed by RCMP | Toronto Sun
 

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Lets jump on the bandwagon while it's warm

Mom wants answers in police killing of son

TORONTO - The grieving mother of a young Indigenous man killed by police in northern Ontario spoke out Thursday, saying the family remains in shock and still doesn't understand why her son died.

In a statement from the remote community of Fort Albany, Ont., Micheline Knapaysweet said the family needs answers about the death of her son, Joey Knapaysweet.
"What did he do that was so bad that he had to be shot and killed?" Micheline Knapaysweet said. "I am so heartbroken, with so many questions unanswered."

Police in Timmins, Ont., shot 21-year-old Joey Knapaysweet on Feb. 3, in an as-yet unexplained incident that raised racial tensions in the city and sparked anger from the Indigenous community.
The province's police watchdog, the Special Investigations Unit, is looking into the incident and has said officers responded mid-morning to a health-care building and a man fled.
"There was an interaction between the man and officers, and one of the officers discharged a firearm," the unit said in a statement. "The man was struck. He was taken to hospital where he was later pronounced dead."
His death prompted scores of people to attend a vigil — among them Timmins Mayor Steve Black — and denunciation from Indigenous leaders.
Joey Knapaysweet was from the James Bay community of Fort Albany — more than an hour’s flight from Timmins. He had gone to Timmins to "seek help in dreams for betterment of his life," according to his mother's statement.
His mother also released two photographs, including the last one of them together just before he left home.
"I cannot sleep at nights, I need answers," she said. "This is my son, my child."
The family asked for privacy, saying they were not yet ready to speak directly to the media.
Black, who urged calm after what he said was a rare shooting, has acknowledged that relations between Indigenous and non-Indigenous people in the city took a hit.
Knapaysweet died the same weekend as Agnes Sutherland, an ailing 62-year-old also from Fort Albany, who had been in police custody after an incident at a shelter. The Special Investigations Unit is looking into her death as well.
The deaths, along with the acquittal last week of white farmer Gerald Stanley in Saskatchewan in the 2016 killing of a young Cree man, Coulten Boushie, have cast a harsh spotlight in recent weeks on attitudes toward Indigenous people.
The Stanley verdict sparked protests across the country along with condemnation from the federal justice minister, with critics calling the justice system biased against Indigenous people.

Those of you closer to this story can you please give some background on this case I'm assuming another bad decision made in a situation that should/could have been avoided