G-8 'fully believes' Israel will attack Iran, says Italy PM

[petros]

World leaders meet in Ontario for two days of talks, urge Iran to 'respect rule of law' and 'hold transparent dialogue' over its nuclear program.

By Yossi Melman
World leaders "believe absolutely" that Israel may decide to take military action against Iran to prevent the latter from acquiring nuclear weapons, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said Saturday.

“Iran is not guaranteeing a peaceful production of nuclear power [so] the members of the G-8 are worried and believe absolutely that Israel will probably react preemptively,” Berlusconi told reporters following talks with other Group of Eight leaders north of Toronto.

The leaders of the G-8, which comprises Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, Canada and the United States, devoted much of their two-day session to discussion of the contentious nuclear programs unfolding in North Korea and Iran.

The leaders issued a statement on Saturday calling on Iran to "respect the rule of law" and to "hold a "transparent dialogue" over its nuclear ambitions.
In their communiqué, the leaders of the world's richest countries said they respected Iran's right to a civilian nuclear program, but noted that such a right must be accompanied by commitment to international law.

"We are profoundly concerned by Iran's continued lack of transparency regarding its nuclear activities and its stated intention to continue and expand enriching uranium, including to nearly 20 percent," they said in a communique.

"Our goal is to persuade Iran's leaders to engage in a transparent dialogue about its nuclear activities and to meet Iran's international obligations," adding that they urged the Islamic Republic "to implement relevant resolutions to restore international confidence in the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program."

Their conclusions followed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's declaration late last week that Tehran was prepared to lay down its conditions to the international community regarding discussion of its nuclear program.


Would a move this stupid be the end of Israel?

 

[EagleSmack]

Would a move this stupid be the end of Israel?

I doubt it.

Gosh I've never seen so many people ACHING for a war in Iran. If not aching at least waiting with baited breath for it.

 

[Cliffy]

I doubt it.

Gosh I've never seen so many people ACHING for a war in Iran. If not aching at least waiting with baited breath for it.

Well if you Yanks would stop posturing like John Wayne all the time, nobody would give it a second thought.

 

[EagleSmack]

Well if you Yanks would stop posturing like John Wayne all the time, nobody would give it a second thought.

It goes deeper than that. You want someone to attack Iran so you can be all excited again and run to the forum. Look at all the milieage you would get if Iran was attacked. Folks have been predicting an attack on Iran for years now...all in vain.


From 2005...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/36343-america-would-back-israel-attack.html

 

[Just the Facts]

Believing absolutely that Israel MAY attack Iran isn't believing in much at all.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If Israel does attack Iran, at lest I would hope they destroy Iran's nuclear capability (like they destroyed Iraq's).

 

[Curiosity]

Hmmmmmmmmm so Italy is sending their armed forces in to prevent such an attack?????

 

[Goober]

If Israel does attack Iran, at lest I would hope they destroy Iran's nuclear capability (like they destroyed Iraq's).

Isreal will be able to very little damage - most are deep bunkers - though they have new bunker busters from the US - That said it would take repeated sorties - day & nght to put a good dent in their capability. And that would take at least a week or 2 or day and night bombing. Then the Iranian subs have to be gone before the strike or rerally close to it. Diesel subs are hard to dtect. Along with missile batteries/naval facilities on the coast.

If anyone does it - It will be the US and some others - But if the US does do it - isreal will be left out - same as they will be asked/told not to repsond to missile attacks as what hapeened during Gulf War 1

That said if those missile were chemical or biological or possible radioactive - then the Shiiittte would be splattered.

 

[EagleSmack]

Isreal will be able to very little damage - most are deep bunkers - though they have new bunker busters from the US - That said it would take repeated sorties - day & nght to put a good dent in their capability. And that would take at least a week or 2 or day and night bombing. Then the Iranian subs have to be gone before the strike or rerally close to it. Diesel subs are hard to dtect. Along with missile batteries/naval facilities on the coast.

If anyone does it - It will be the US and some others - But if the US does do it - isreal will be left out - same as they will be asked/told not to repsond to missile attacks as what hapeened during Gulf War 1

That said if those missile were chemical or biological or possible radioactive - then the Shiiittte would be splattered.

Diesel subs are like underwater locomotives and I highly doubt the Iranians has missle boats (subs). If Israel was to attack it would have to be quick and short. They could not stand a week of bombing Iran politically. JMO.

Iran will get the bomb eventually. In 50 years just about everyone will have it that wants it. Its inevitable.

 

[Colpy]

G-8 'fully believes' Israel will attack Iran

......................Israel may decide to take military action against Iran to prevent the latter from acquiring nuclear weapons

I certainly hope so!

 

[Goober]

Diesel subs are like underwater locomotives and I highly doubt the Iranians has missle boats (subs). If Israel was to attack it would have to be quick and short. They could not stand a week of bombing Iran politically. JMO.

Iran will get the bomb eventually. In 50 years just about everyone will have it that wants it. Its inevitable.

From what I understand these diesel subs they have are very quiet - Diesel running of batteries is next to impossible to detect - that said - you can only run on batteries for a certain time. They could take the heat of a week - Problems are they could not maintain losses that would take effect after the 1st day.

Not sure what there long range refelling capabilities are - but that would be strained as well. And no the S Arabian govt would not allow them to land and fuel. Flyover - Yes - They hate the Iranians with a religious passion and also Iran would become the regional power - Again something that the Saudis would not care for - along with everyone wanting nukes.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Diesel subs are like underwater locomotives and I highly doubt the Iranians has missle boats (subs). If Israel was to attack it would have to be quick and short. They could not stand a week of bombing Iran politically. JMO.

Iran will get the bomb eventually. In 50 years just about everyone will have it that wants it. Its inevitable.

Actually diesel subs can be quieter than nuclear subs. They run on electric motors when submerged and can be almost impossible to detect.

As for nuclear weapons being inevitable the reality is that only a very few nations have joined the nuclear club since the 1960s (Israel, India, Pakistan) and most nations have far better things to do with their cash, not to mention that most nations have signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Given the fact that over 30 nations have nuclear power plants and only six of them have chosen to have nuclear weapons; it appears that most countries are not interested in acquiring them.

My guess is that if Iran experienced a change in its government and a more democratic faction took power Iran might very well abandon its nuclear weapons program. Many Iranians are heartily tired of the diplomatic isolation faced by Iran and the fact that their government has chosen to spend billions on a completely useless weapons program.

 

[earth_as_one]

If Iran was seeking nuclear weapons, they would have them by now according to this 2005 report:

Iran Dossier Press Statement - [253 KB] Iran Dossier Press Statement (pdf)
International Institute for Strategic Studies Iran's Strategic Weapons Programmes

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Most likely Iran seeks peaceful nuclear technology and a nuclear weapon break out capability. That is the ability to produce nukes within a relatively short time, while staying compliant with the mandatory NPT protocols.

If Israel attacked Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran would strike Israeli nuclear facilities in retaliation.

If anyone attacks Iran's oil facilities, they'd shut down the Persian Gulf.

The US can't afford to start another war.

Even though Iran signed the NPT and has never violated the mandatory parts, they never signed or agreed to all the voluntary parts. In other words, they are being punished for not respecting voluntary confidence building protocols.

As per the NPT, the IAEA is supposed to help Iran acquire peaceful nuclear technology. Instead
the NPT and the IAEA has been misused to punish a country which has only a proven peaceful nuclear technology and no proven nuclear weapon program. Effectively Iran is being punished not for what they are known to be doing, but for what a few countries speculate Iran might be doing. Iran is being held to the impossible standard of proving the non-existence of something which is a logical impossibility.

India, Israel and Pakistan on the other hand, have nuclear weapon programs in violation of the NPT. According to the NPT, these nations should face sanctions until they sign and comply with the NPT. Instead, their nuclear weapon programs have been ignored or in the case of Israel, aided by western powers. These countries should be held to the same standard as Iran and face similar consequences for similar actions.

According to the mandatory part of the NPT, the five original nuclear powers were supposed to reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. They have made reductions, but they also continued nuclear weapon research and modernized their arsenals in violation of the NPT. Effectively these nations with their modern nukes have about the same destructive capacity as they did when they had more nukes.

Pretty much every country pushing to punish Iran for their peaceful NPT compliant civilian nuclear program are in violation of the NPT.

Even if Iran stopped their enrichment activities and abandoned their NPT compliant civilian nuclear program, I doubt the NPT violating nations would lift the sanctions. They can never prove they aren't building nukes. Even when Iran stopped their legal NPT compliant uranium enrichment activities which only produced LEU (not suitable for weapons), in 2003, economic sanctions stayed in place.

 

[EagleSmack]

I know that they say the Iranian subs have the quiet diesel engines but believe me...they are anything but quiet. The sonar sytems they have these days would pick them up fairly quickly. A second hand diesel sub is not state of the art. It is not just the engine but the prop wash that creates sonar signatures. I would bet that each sub is already cataloged into the NATO subs sonar library.

 

[melmartinez01]

. You want someone to attack Iran so you can be all excited again and run to the forum.

 

[EagleSmack]

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Most likely Iran seeks peaceful nuclear technology and a nuclear weapon break out capability. That is the ability to produce nukes within a relatively short time, while staying compliant with the mandatory NPT protocols.

If Israel attacked Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran would strike Israeli nuclear facilities in retaliation.

If anyone attacks Iran's oil facilities, they'd shut down the Persian Gulf.

The US can't afford to start another war.

Huh?

I bet you are excited by the prospects though aren't you?

At any rate, the US attacked Iranian oil facilities in the Persian Gulf because the Iranians tried to shut down the Gulf. How are the Iranians going to shut down the Gulf? Their Navy?

 

[earth_as_one]

Huh?

I bet you are excited by the prospects though aren't you?

At any rate, the US attacked Iranian oil facilities in the Persian Gulf because the Iranians tried to shut down the Gulf. How are the Iranians going to shut down the Gulf? Their Navy?

I am against all wars in general. I certainly don't support dumb, pointless or needless wars.

Iran can shut down the gulf without a single ship

Wiki
Hoot (Persian: حوت; Whale) is an Iranian supercavitation torpedo that travels at approximately 360 km/h, several times faster than a conventional torpedo. It was test-fired successfully from a surface ship against a dummy submarine during the Iranian military exercise "Great Prophet" ((پيامبر اعظم(ص) on 2 April 2006 and 3 April 2006

List of military equipment manufactured in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[petros]

He he he..............

 

[Bar Sinister]

I know that they say the Iranian subs have the quiet diesel engines but believe me...they are anything but quiet. The sonar sytems they have these days would pick them up fairly quickly. A second hand diesel sub is not state of the art. It is not just the engine but the prop wash that creates sonar signatures. I would bet that each sub is already cataloged into the NATO subs sonar library.

I didn't see the second hand in your original post. I was talking about these.

U212 / U214 Attack Submarines - Naval Technology

Diesel-Electric Submarines, the U.S. Navy’s Latest Annoyance