Freedom of Speech threatened??

YukonJack

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No, you are not just wondering, Jack. You know damn well they didn't have a written language. But anthropologists and ethnographers now deem the oral traditions as valid as any written one. Time to update your antiquated software.

What software is being used to embellish oral history by every single teller? How valid is it after having been retold 3 times? 10 times? 50 times?

Would the original author have even the slightest clue of what the current version is?
 

petros

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Biblica | In what language was the Bible first written?

Almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew during the thousand years of its composition. But a few chapters in the prophecies of Ezra and Daniel and one verse in Jeremiah were written in a language called Aramaic. This language became very popular in the ancient world and actually displaced many other languages. Aramaic even became the common language spoken in Israel in Jesus' time, and it was likely the language He spoke day by day. Some Aramaic words were even used by the Gospel writers in the New Testament.

The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God's Word in their own tongue.

The word "Bible" does not occur in the Holy Scriptures. The English word "Bible" is a manufactured, made-up word. Its origin is in the Greek word for the papyrus (pa-Pie-rus) plant that the Egyptians used to make paper. The Greeks called the plant biblos and eventually writing products derived from the plant such as scrolls became known as biblos. There is even an ancient Phoenician city named "Byblos" whose name is derived from its extensive manufacturer and trade in writing materials. To invent the word Bible, scholars borrowed the plural Greek word "biblia" meaning scrolls, or "little books" and created the English word Bible
 

Cliffy

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What software is being used to embellish oral history by every single teller? How valid is it after having been retold 3 times? 10 times? 50 times?

Would the original author have even the slightest clue of what the current version is?
You don't understand the concept of a living language.
 

YukonJack

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You don't understand the concept of a living language.

Of course, I do, Cliffy. A living language is like living body. Or a living mind.

A one-year-old is hardly the same as a fifty-year-old.

Same as thousand year old 'history' told by a living language.
 

EagleSmack

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There wasn't much to find. It's always been that way right in front of enveryone's noses.

Turtle Island has remained intact for thousands of years in a living language without alteration.

Well you know what I mean. I would have thought the first written New Testament would have been in Hebrew or Aramaic. Aramaic was the common language used in that part of the world. It was the most common. Interesting how it is now a dead language. I would have thought the next language would have been Latin, not Greek.
 

petros

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Greek was the most common at the time of Christ. Aramaic isn't dead. Hell no. Catholics and Chaldeans in Iraq still use it. Quite a few places actually.
 

EagleSmack

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Greek was the most common at the time of Christ. Aramaic isn't dead. Hell no. Catholics and Chaldeans in Iraq still use it. Quite a few places actually.

You're schooling me today Petros! Back the **** off! ;)
 

ironsides

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Biblica | In what language was the Bible first written?

Almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew during the thousand years of its composition. But a few chapters in the prophecies of Ezra and Daniel and one verse in Jeremiah were written in a language called Aramaic. This language became very popular in the ancient world and actually displaced many other languages. Aramaic even became the common language spoken in Israel in Jesus' time, and it was likely the language He spoke day by day. Some Aramaic words were even used by the Gospel writers in the New Testament.

Good reply, and it was interesting, but the original Bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic.

Aramaic Bible, Disciples New Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Jonah, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Malachi.
 

EagleSmack

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Good thing those Godless Christian Arabs kept it alive huh?

If they're Christian I wouldn't think they would be Godless.

Give credit, also, to the much maligned Mel Gibson. In his movie the "Passion of Christ" the spoken language was Aramaic.

That was interesting to hear that language spoken. I also thought hearing the brute Roman soldiers speaking Latin was interesting as well.
 

In Between Man

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That's not really a response to my point. I said that Wilders is not a free speech advocate. He, in fact, wishes to suppress speech.

Wilders doesn't want to suppress their speech, he in fact wants to do the exact opposite and expose their speech, to show exactly that their death ideology is in fact politically motivated and therefore dangerous.

Instead of telling me that you want to suppress speech too, maybe you should try telling me why speech should be suppressed.
Well I clearly can't depend on your definition of "suppress". What if I simply yell louder than them when they speak? Am I suppressing them? Also, don't you think that shutting down their mosques, banning Muslim immigration, and possibly deportation is "just a tad" beyond suppressing their speech?

In reality the only people today who wish to suppress speech is the loony left wing. Smoking gun proof that the leftists are the fascists of our time:

YouTube - ‪Students Who "Support" Free Speech Want to Ban Conservatives From Radio & TV‬‏

Notice how they're asked "You support free speech right?" and they UNBELIEVABLY sign the petition to BAN a differing point of view from the media! Duh! Use your brain morons!

YouTube - ‪Liberal Civility‬‏

What do we do with Clarence Thomas? "String him up" the "nice" Liberal lady says! What a bunch of hate-filled, violent sickos!
 
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New Australian law to make Muslims lift veils


Muslim women would have to remove veils and show their faces to police on request or risk a prison sentence under proposed new laws in Australia's most populous state that have drawn criticism as culturally insensitive.
A vigorous debate that the proposal has triggered reflects the cultural clashes being ignited by the growing influx of Muslim immigrants and the unease that visible symbols of Islam are causing in predominantly white Christian Australia since 1973 when the government relaxed its immigration policy.
Under the law proposed by the government of New South Wales, which includes Sydney, a woman who defies police by refusing to remove her face veil could be sentenced to a year in prison and fined AU$5,500.

New Australian law to make Muslims lift veils



Is Australia the only country not afraid to do what is right? You immigrate to a country, you assimilate to that culture, not try and have them assimilate to yours.