Flaherty to Slash Public Funding for Federal Parties
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Well, I'm probably one of the 63% of Canadian voters who weren't on the winning side on October 14. But, as one of those who actually votes for different parties depending on the issues (I guess that's why we hold elections and why different parties are elected from time to time), I have even supported Conservative candidates in the past.
However, right now there is a mean streak somewhere on the Right (Help me out here; you seem to be working with the "offensive" co-ordinator of the Conservatives) that makes me recoil just a little.
And this I'm-all-right-Jack attitude in the face of a serious economic downturn and a genuine lack of response by the present government makes me think, maybe, just maybe, it's time for a change!
And maybe the 63% of us who are "losers" won't be next time.
As always,
Your cousin,
Spade
Technically they said Dion would have to run as Liberal Leader again if another election was to occur now.
And yes, if the country went back into another election, during worse economic times then before, the country will either be cripled beyond repair, or turn into a dictatorship....
and if we becomed cripled...... say hellow to the North American Union.
Bravo..... game over, no more continues, welcome to America and enjoy your second class citizen positions.
I agree, unfortunatly Dion has hauled either most if not all of his party out of votes multiple times before the election, and if he has to run again, and the party is pretty well bankrupt, he'll do what he needs to do for the party and haul their asses out and not vote. Then the bill isn't shot down, it goes through, and on we go with Harper's nut job of a crazy house government with that little stupid puppet Dion keeping it all in play and we all get more screwed.
Ain't it fun?
Just you watch..... Dion will put the party ahead of the country and pull everyone out or enough to not kill the Cons plan. He's done it before, he'll do it again, and he does it more often when the party is not ready for an election.
I can see right through Dion's capabilities, Harper can certainly see through his capabilities and you all should too.... if we let this continue, we're screwed and say goodbye to the lives you used to know.
And the expensive trips and dinners and limos were as they called it "The cerry on the top" which means there was a lot more... that was just for the kiddies at home watching TV. The real body of the iceburg that nobody was supposed to put too much attention on, was the large chunks of money the other parties will loose which will make them no longer competitive, which means a majority government of one..... with one view and one direction..... no control..... no democracy.
So ... you figure only Tories should be feeding from public pockets? Good to know you support democracy.
On this one, I would have to been in the rare position of disagreeing with the Cons. I like the program that gave a buck seventy five for each vote. At least in some small way your vote is not a waste.
I think it was Chretien that came up with that program. .... remember when he choked that protester !?! That was awesome! Seriously, when I first saw that, it made me like him.
I think it was Chretien that came up with that program. .... remember when he choked that protester !?! That was awesome! Seriously, when I first saw that, it made me like him.
Cretien was a scrapper when he was a kid and it never left him in politics either.
Good man that Cretien.
The Public will not pay to support something it cannot get credits ( tax credit are gone ) for and if the system does not belong in funding of Government let us ask for all our money back and let the parties really run elections on pure political values and not political attacks ads.
Ask all political parties to hand back funding in all manner to the people of Canada.
I guarantee you that Stephen Harper and the Conservatives or NDP would never agree too this with their present party war chest.
Also the Government funding of safety programs for public interest is very important. If not then let us ask for the programs to be scrapped but be ready for a free for all on safety.
Prepare youself for eating the worse crap and less healty products ever in the world. Also prepare yourself to use and drive the most dangerous cars in the world, even of those classified as "safest" elsewhere as the standards used to build them for Canada would be the same as those used to 3rd world countries with no saftey regulations..
Also with the situation as it stand to be there would be no possible opposition. This would create the following possibility.. A dictatorship and one that may not be a Conservative one as you aspire to. Those who often set the stage , do not usually keep power.. Wise men do not set up total rule as they often do not retain power. Learn from history..
alleywayzalwayz, as I recall Chretien put this in place to remove big business from Financing the Liberal party at the opposition request. It also cut off Union big payments at the time which did not make the NDP happy. The idea was not popular with many Liberal party membership but was meant to be "fair" to all while making the party not accountable to big business while funding smaller parties such as the Green party. It is based on a European system of fairness..
It seems fairness it no longer worthwhile in Canada..
If you read the news you will find that the Conservatives are losing more financing than the liberals....
Why should the government fund any political party? If you want to get in the game, find your own funds...
If I recall from the Trudeau days, Liberal caucus can do a quick vote to elect a leader superceeding a Leadership convention due to the pressing nature of the situation. In this case they would likely pick from the Group of elected members ( Rae, Ignatieff, Trudeau or LeBlanc ) and move forward with that person as Leader. The choice is already made that Dion wants to leave and unless caucus asks him to stay on ( unlikely ) they would probably move to step two..
This is still democratic because the Leader must stand for review at a National Convention and could be booted at a later date..
You must remember that all parties must always have a fall back position, regardless of situation, for such event..
This was a move to distract the press and the voters away from the fact that the Tories are offering no stimulus package when they admit to a recession and what is the worst economic crisis in 7 decades. They are hiding like cowards behind this red herring until the U.S. decides on what it is doing even though the IMF has already stated what needs to be done and is likely what Obama will do.
....but wait, something is stirring in Ottawa, wait for the story.
If the Cons can't get the confidence of the house, the Governor general can ask someone else if they can and it appears Jack and Dion are talking about just that.
Careful what you do cons, this cheap shot may cost you power.
....but wait, something is stirring in Ottawa, wait for the story.
If the Cons can't get the confidence of the house, the Governor general can ask someone else if they can and it appears Jack and Dion are talking about just that.
Careful what you do cons, this cheap shot may cost you power.
That's good, taxpayers' money shouldn't be going to political parties. I also don't believe that contributions to political parties should be tax deductible. From what I've seen of ALL political parties, none of them should be encouraged.
Oh ... I do read the news. Now, if you'd pay attention to what you write (writer indeed!) you'd realize the way you word it is only your piggies are entitled. Don't go looking between the lines in my posts without first looking at your own.
All in favour of this but the playing field must be fair.. Let Big Business and Unions/Organizations allowed to fund parties again as they did in the past to fill in the void this funding filled in the first place and we will be back to square one. No loss to tax payers as long as we do not make it a tax deduction..
That said, let no one complain about special interest groups getting the governments attention.. Nothing in this would is free..
Ah yes, of course they would lose the most. By percentage wise they have the most to lose in upcoming funds due to the fact they have the most elected members of all parties in the house.
I am however sure they are extremely concerned about their financial situation.. :roll:
Lets look at the facts...
Flaherty to axe subsidies to political parties in fiscal update: sources
Yes I am sure the Conservatives are extremely worried about losing this funding..
Flaherty to Slash Public Funding for Federal Parties
Good. If a party can't exist on its own bloody merit, that's too bad. Let them figure out how to raise their own funds.
I get tired of hearing that the feds handing out money to outfits that can't stay afloat on their own. I hate corporate welfare, too.
Another part of Flaherty's plan I like is that salaries get capped at 1.5%. The benefits to those who serve 6+ years more than compensate for the freeze on salaries. Bloody near every time the pols tell Canadians we have to tighten our belts, they vote themselves raises.
And it figures that Glibs and Naive Dense Pussies would whine about getting cut off from public funds. Both love to spend as if money grew like weeds.
Another thing: deficit or surplus, I don't give a crap as long as the debt clock shows a diminishing amount.
Good. If a party can't exist on its own bloody merit, that's too bad. Let them figure out how to raise their own funds.
I get tired of hearing that the feds handing out money to outfits that can't stay afloat on their own. I hate corporate welfare, too.
Another part of Flaherty's plan I like is that salaries get capped at 1.5%. The benefits to those who serve 6+ years more than compensate for the freeze on salaries. Bloody near every time the pols tell Canadians we have to tighten our belts, they vote themselves raises.
And it figures that Glibs and Naive Dense Pussies would whine about getting cut off from public funds. Both love to spend as if money grew like weeds.
Another thing: deficit or surplus, I don't give a crap as long as the debt clock shows a diminishing amount.