First Nations history

[EagleSmack]

It certainly is not fact and if you would bother to look up the sources of new archaeological findings you would know that. Like I said, your high school history is way out of date, but stay ignorant if you must. It is so Yangee.

Yes Cliffy... it is fact. Did you think I didn't look up new sources? And if I posted them would it change your mind? Of course not. You are set in your mythical beliefs of Native Americans and First Nations being so... not human. Sadly they are.

Sucks to be a white man eh Cliff?

 

[petros]

Sucks to be a white man eh Cliff?

Moonyass

 

[darkbeaver]

That is not necessarily true. Most mega fauna died because of the changing environment after the ice age. There is no archaeological record of the natives of Siberia every hunting mega fauna, so why would they in North America? Also, new evidence shows that people may have lived here before the ice age, and they never hunted the mega fauna to extinction either. Your high school history is way out of date.

That mega fauna was incinerated away in one day 12,800 years ago and the Clovis people. High scholl history is washed so many times before it's printed that there's no fibre left.

 

[Walter]

That is not necessarily true. Most mega fauna died because of the changing environment after the ice age. There is no archaeological record of the natives of Siberia every hunting mega fauna, so why would they in North America? Also, new evidence shows that people may have lived here before the ice age, and they never hunted the mega fauna to extinction either. Your high school history is way out of date.

ES, don't you know? Only white man is bad.

 

[karrie]

Yes Cliffy... it is fact. Did you think I didn't look up new sources? And if I posted them would it change your mind? Of course not. You are set in your mythical beliefs of Native Americans and First Nations being so... not human. Sadly they are.

Sucks to be a white man eh Cliff?

So, your assertion is that the hunters that existed 4500 years ago, when the mammoth went extinct, were culturally identical to the First Nations of modern North America whose history this thread is discussing?

Not even by a long shot!

Now don't get me wrong... humans are humans and everyone's flawed, but you're really reaching with this line of logic.

 

[Machjo]

First Nations history should make us question what it means to be Canadian


By APARNA SANYAL
In 1882, Cree chief Big Bear, his people starving, adhered to Treaty 6 in exchange for food from the Dominion of Canada. He had argued for fairer treaty provisions, but rations had been deliberately withheld by the government of Sir John A. Macdonald, whose plan was to “starve unco-operative Indians onto reserves and into submission.” Big Bear began negotiating with other Cree communities to take reserve lands next to each other. Macdonald’s government rejected the chief’s proposal, reneging on an earlier promise. Big Bear later tried to dissuade members of his band from violence against white settlers, helping instead with the release of hostages. Amid widespread indigenous famine, Sir John A. Macdonald focused on his National Dream, his Indian commissioner declaring of rancid rations: “The Indians should eat the bacon or die.”


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You don't have to go nearly that far back in history:

Just read the quote below, and the date under it. The document the quote is taken from was commemorated at U of Ottawa just last year:

'We should point out here that the Commission will not examine cultures the question of the Indians and the Eskimos . Our terms of reference contain no allusion to Canada's native populations. They speak of "two founding races," namely Canadians of Br
'We should point out here that the Commission will not examine cultures the question of the Indians and the Eskimos . Our terms of reference contain no allusion to Canada's native populations. They speak of "two founding races," namely Canadians of British and French origin, and "other ethnic groups," but mention neither the Indians nor the Eskimos. Since it is obvious that these two groups do not form part of the "founding races," as the phrase is used in the terms of reference, it would logically be necessary to include them under the heading "other ethnic groups ." Yet it is clear that the term "other ethnic groups" means those peoples of diverse origins who came to Canada during or after the founding of the Canadian state and that it does not include the first inhabitants of this country.'

Report of the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism, Book I, Paragraph 21 (1967)​

 

[skookumchuck]

First off, Art is not anti-Jew. He is married to one. He is anti-zionist. That you can't tell the difference is more telling about your ignorance. Secondly, he didn't write it, he just re-posted it, like I did.



Of course you both just reposted it, that is very telling. I have followed his ridiculous life for a very long time and celebrated when they busted him again.

 

[EagleSmack]

So, your assertion is that the hunters that existed 4500 years ago, when the mammoth went extinct, were culturally identical to the First Nations of modern North America whose history this thread is discussing?

No of course not. But they were Native Americans and First Nation. And in the US the Native Americans agree that prehistoric Native Americans are their own. Ask any archeologist studying early man in the US.

Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now don't get me wrong... humans are humans and everyone's flawed, but you're really reaching with this line of logic.

I disagree... apparently Native Americans do as well.

Kennewick Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[karrie]

No of course not. But they were Native Americans and First Nation. And in the US the Native Americans agree that prehistoric Native Americans are their own. Ask any archeologist studying early man in the US.

Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





I disagree... apparently Native Americans do as well.

Kennewick Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

humans are humans and everyone's flawed, even the tribe trying to claim a skeleton that doesn't even resemble them physically due to the separation of time.

 

[Cliffy]

Royal Proclamation Commemoration 250 year anniversary:

People everywhere honour what has been inherited from the past.
In Canada, there is a heritage museum of some sort in most cities and small towns across this country. We celebrate everything from maple syrup and bighorn sheep to pioneers and voyageurs.
The federal government hosts War of 1812 re-enactments, elaborate Dominion day celebrations, and tells us that January 11th is an “important day” to honour Sir John A. MacDonald.
Some people keep tradition alive all year long, whether through planting heirloom seeds or weaving with looms.
And we have laws to protect the inheritance passed on from those who have gone before us. That is how wealth is maintained within families. It is why Queen Elizabeth II is the Head of State.
October 7, 2013, is also an important day. It is the 250th anniversary of the Royal Proclamation of 1763, wherein the British Crown recognized Indigenous sovereignty and land title through much of what is now Canada, leading some to call the document an Indigenous magna carta.
The significance of the Proclamation is realized in landmark Supreme Court decisions like Calder and Delgamuukw, and its relevance is affirmed in section 35 of Canada's Constitution and section 25 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is the law that was supposed to protect the wealth of Indigenous families for future generations.
Some are doing their part to mark the day.
For example, the Assembly of First Nations will host a morning press conference and an event at the Museum of Civilization, where the Proclamation is on display, later in the day.
Idle No More activists have planned a global day of action (#Oct7Proclaim). There are currently 63 events listed on its website, from Hawaii to Sattal, India. If those events bring numbers comparable to the thousands who attended the truth and reconciliation march in Vancouver last month, the message will not be lost.
And Tom Mulcair, the Leader of Her Majesty’s Official Opposition, is hosting a commemorative event at Stornoway on the eve of the anniversary. As far as I can ascertain, this is the only way anyone in an official government capacity is acknowledging with Indigenous people our common interest in recognizing the meaning of the Proclamation and applying it.
By contrast, the Harper government, obsessed with history and heritage when it comes to hockey and war, is blowing this one off.
When mines and pipelines don’t get built, when more roads and railways are blocked, when yet another report of poverty on reserves is published and the Harper government tells us that it has done all it can to work with Indigenous peoples, remember this day.
It is not the disrespect, the small-mindedness and mean-spiritedness of those who could not spare a moment to commemorate one of the most important dates in the history of what has become Canada that is at issue here.
Nor is the obliviousness to history, law, and whatever reality doesn't fit the Prime Minister’s ideology the essential problem.
It is the denial of our inheritance to all of us, Indigenous and non-Indigenous alike.
There is plenty of talk about Indigenous poverty, what can be done, and who to blame. And there is plenty of misdirection offered, some intentional, some well intentioned, to distract us from the obvious truth: if every generation is denied its inheritance, then each generation begins in poverty.
Fundamentally, the denial of this legal inheritance is why there is a 50% child poverty rate for status Indian children in Canada. It is why the social problems -- out of whack with Canadian averages, but consistent when compared to other poor people -- of substance abuse, incarceration and suicide remain stubbornly intractable. And this costs us all, more than most of us admit.
It is why the relationship between Indigenous peoples and the Canadian government is at such a low point, something that may one day soon cost us all more than we care to imagine.
As John Raultson Saul pointed out in his book, A Fair Country, this heritage underlies much of what Canadians value about our society, multiculturalism, peacekeeping, and socialized medicine, to name a few items. Yet still we deny it.
And as we look for ways to deal with the crisis that is coming due to climate change, honouring this heritage can help us remember what it means to belong to and be part of the land rather than arrogantly exploiting our supposed dominance over it.
It is the denial of this heritage that maintains the enormous gulf between peoples in Canada and puts at risk our future prosperity.
On October 7, it would help to remember that honouring this heritage -- our heritage -- just might lead to healing, reconciliation and a better future, for all our relations.

 

[55Mercury]

History is never-ending, but ever-beginning. In fact it begins perpetually but a moment ago.

I have a friend who teaches First Nations kids and passed this along from a student:

teacher: This was written by Julie Wesley. A First Nation young lady (in her 20's) that "got out" and came back. She is a mental health worker here in Kash.

Status Update
By Julie Bee Wesley
Sometimes I feel angry thinking about how the government thinks that us native people are "mooches" and all.. They have no idea what we go though in our communities. Our food are extremely high... most can't even afford to eat healthy. In order to eat healthy here for a family of 4, it will cost about $1500 for the week or more. A bag of milk is like $20. Most people that never left the community are afraid to do so... try living in the bush all your life and moving to a strange, bigger place to get your education. I mean they're so far away from home.. it's a scary feeling no doubt. Now the government is trying to take away our Post Secondary funding!! What are we going to do now? Most don't have relatives wherever they go. There's NO HOPE for our communities up here if the government takes away our treaty rights. I'm not even going to get started on our housing situations... almost every house has mold in it due to floodings we get every year. Our health is so poor. Schools situations... like there's so many on-going issues. If you don't agree with me then educate yourself by studying Residential schools, colonization, native history, treaty rights, etc. You have no idea what goes on up here so before you open your mouth, come up here and try living it. There's way more to this but I'm getting all worked up on it. I better stop.

Overall.... when something happens in our community. For example, these power outages.. Everyone works together as family. We ALWAYS stick together as one to help each other out. No matter what differences we go though.. our ancestors taught us the right ways of living and the government took that away from us. This is why I do what I do. I'm going to bring our traditional ways back, the way it's suppose to be for our people. I'm already seeing a difference here back home. I love you all. I'm proud to say I am from Kashechewan First Nation.

 

[damngrumpy]

The problem is Canadian history and native history is not boring the problem is
so many people are too bored to discover that. I see much wisdom in the way
of life they had. If they had a chance to adapt some of the old ways before the
trouble started we would be better off today.
Instead the white man decided in Canada we can't just kill them so we'll destroy
their culture and their roots. The problem is many bands especially here in the
Okanagan have adapted they educated the kids to be good lawyers and so on
and now are beating the white man at their own game.

 

[skookumchuck]

History is never-ending, but ever-beginning. In fact it begins perpetually but a moment ago.

I have a friend who teaches First Nations kids and passed this along from a student:

teacher: This was written by Julie Wesley. A First Nation young lady (in her 20's) that "got out" and came back. She is a mental health worker here in Kash.

Status Update
By Julie Bee Wesley
Sometimes I feel angry thinking about how the government thinks that us native people are "mooches" and all.. They have no idea what we go though in our communities. Our food are extremely high... most can't even afford to eat healthy. In order to eat healthy here for a family of 4, it will cost about $1500 for the week or more. A bag of milk is like $20. Most people that never left the community are afraid to do so... try living in the bush all your life and moving to a strange, bigger place to get your education. I mean they're so far away from home.. it's a scary feeling no doubt. Now the government is trying to take away our Post Secondary funding!! What are we going to do now? Most don't have relatives wherever they go. There's NO HOPE for our communities up here if the government takes away our treaty rights. I'm not even going to get started on our housing situations... almost every house has mold in it due to floodings we get every year. Our health is so poor. Schools situations... like there's so many on-going issues. If you don't agree with me then educate yourself by studying Residential schools, colonization, native history, treaty rights, etc. You have no idea what goes on up here so before you open your mouth, come up here and try living it. There's way more to this but I'm getting all worked up on it. I better stop.

Overall.... when something happens in our community. For example, these power outages.. Everyone works together as family. We ALWAYS stick together as one to help each other out. No matter what differences we go though.. our ancestors taught us the right ways of living and the government took that away from us. This is why I do what I do. I'm going to bring our traditional ways back, the way it's suppose to be for our people. I'm already seeing a difference here back home. I love you all. I'm proud to say I am from Kashechewan First Nation.

What a ridiculous response! First whine that it is too expensive to live in the north, then say you will live the old way. What with my money?
I hear way too much bool**** about wanting to be traditional, with my money.

 

[55Mercury]

Ewart: Time for industry to rethink approach to First Nations

What a ridiculous response! First whine that it is too expensive to live in the north, then say you will live the old way. What with my money?
I hear way too much bool**** about wanting to be traditional, with my money.

Read into it what you will, but that's not what I see.

And what I do NOT see is you whining about the countless other ways the government wastes your money, but then again I'm rarely here so maybe you do, in which case my apologies.

And I thought you implied upthread you were of native descent...

Would it be too much of a stretch for me to wonder out loud if natives weren't in fact, just like women are, their own worst enemies?

 

[skookumchuck]

Ewart: Time for industry to rethink approach to First Nations


Read into it what you will, but that's not what I see.

And what I do NOT see is you whining about the countless other ways the government wastes your money, but then again I'm rarely here so maybe you do, in which case my apologies.

And I thought you implied upthread you were of native descent...

Would it be too much of a stretch for me to wonder out loud if natives weren't in fact, just like women are, their own worst enemies?

Yes, native descent, not a bull**** artist. I and my family are the ones who quietly worked and succeeded. We had tribulations, just like the others and laughed at the losers with their excuses.

 

[55Mercury]

I understand what you're saying and applaud how your family has elevated itself to a reasonably comfortable if not affluent lifestyle.

But children are born into situations due to no fault of their own and their only way up and out of that hole is to get a fair education, and you seem to be implying that it's not the government's responsibility to ensure that it is afforded to them.

pretty cold, dude

 

[EagleSmack]

Now the government is trying to take away our Post Secondary funding!! What are we going to do now? .

What is post secondary funding?

 

[55Mercury]

as you can well imagine... trade school, college, or university I suppose.

 

[darkbeaver]

ES, don't you know? Only white man is bad.

Hey Walter have you ever poked around in the dirt to see the roots of this latest hateon for white folks?