Fed up with Religions Yet?

DaSleeper

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Yeah, it seems you can't kill an idea, no matter how bad it is. Really though, the problem with communism, Nazism, fascism, etc., isn't that they're irreligious, or critical of religion, but that they're too much like religion. They're thoroughly dogmatic, don't allow criticism, often give rise to personality cults that look a lot like religious hero worship in the Jim Jones style, and they often have writings, like Mao's Little Red Book, Hitler's Mein Kampf, Marx's Das Kapital, and so on, that achieve a status similar to scripture. The excesses of such extremism are not due to an absence of belief, they're racial, political, and nationalist dogma take to lunatic levels. Extremism in all forms plays to the same weaknesses in human nature, it's not so much an absence of religion as an attempt to supplant it with a different set of ill-founded beliefs.

Nice wide roller and single coat paint....:-(
 

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Yeah, it seems you can't kill an idea, no matter how bad it is. Really though, the problem with communism, Nazism, fascism, etc., isn't that they're irreligious, or critical of religion, but that they're too much like religion. They're thoroughly dogmatic, don't allow criticism, often give rise to personality cults that look a lot like religious hero worship in the Jim Jones style, and they often have writings, like Mao's Little Red Book, Hitler's Mein Kampf, Marx's Das Kapital, and so on, that achieve a status similar to scripture. The excesses of such extremism are not due to an absence of belief, they're racial, political, and nationalist dogma take to lunatic levels. Extremism in all forms plays to the same weaknesses in human nature, it's not so much an absence of religion as an attempt to supplant it with a different set of ill-founded beliefs.

I have asked this question to various posters- How many Christian are Zealots as the OP describes- To make it easy we will go with percentages and only for NA and Europe.
 

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FAIL on the attempted deflection.

And FAIL on the Sikh thing....:)

And Naziism was Pagan, not Christian.


Christianity is built directly on a pagan frame. Every plank and every spike was stolen and repainted after the numbers were filed off.
 

CDNBear

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I support praxius.
No doubt.

You and Colpy have both lied frequently.
I'd ask for proof of this, but you've never offered anything intelligent to back a single claim. That won't change today.

Weather it was intentional or you're just too ignorant to know fact from fabrication I can't say for sure.
That's because you have no idea what a fact is, lol.

But I would donate toward the cost of lab expenses to have the matter cut into and exposed.
Can you you use your trust fund for that?

Closed mind, meet closed mind.
Not that Gh or I are closed minded, it would still beat your empty one, hands down.

Oh sorry, I had better things to do this weekend then to entertain you and your crap... sorry if I kept you waiting.... didn't think your life was that boring.
It isn't.

I've already related this thread and my point to your and Colpy's Fed Up with Islam thread, which I posted in as well, so there's plenty there for you to compare to.
Compare what to? I already know the dfifference between lies and truth.

But since you're such a slack ass troll who can't be bothered to do anything beyond getting spoon fed information, I'll entertain your miserable life once again:
Oh oh, I sense some butthurt.
Nothing on that page disproves the fact that you're a liar.
^ just look at your responses to my quote, followed by my responses to your posts.
What about them? You're silly posts got refuted.

I provided you with plenty of examples, just as I am providing examples in this thread as well, which you continually ignore, won't accept that Christians and Jews aren't any better than Muslims, and when putting the same mentality on Christians and Jews as you and Colpy place on Muslism, you don't refute or counter any of those equal examples, you kept side tracking, or just simply ignored and continued with your pointless trolling.
No, I pointed out your hypocrisy, you necessity to erroneously go back in time to prove a point.

In other words, I made you look stupid, well no, you did all the hard work there.

Nice that you try and narrow the criteria to just the last decade...
Well ya, of course I did. We are talking about today, duh!!!

...while attempting to ignore the last century, and beyond based on what Christians and Jews have done in the past.....
I didn't ignore it. It isn't relevant. It's a two wrongs make a right fallacy.

Only 5 year olds use it. No surprise seeing you use it.

... a pretty piss poor attempt if you ask me.
I didn't, I wouldn't. I don't dig stupid posts.

I then listed off more recent examples.... and above in this post, I presented even more recent (just last week) reports on things Christians and Jews have done.... oh but you avoid those things and claim I'm lying. :roll:
You did lie. Not about that.

If you were any smarter, you wouldn't try and claim that's why I called you a liar, or you know that that wasn't why I called you a liar.

And the above examples were just from three news sources and just from that day.... if I had the time to look through the last month's new on several threads, I'm sure I could make this thread balloon to three pages in examples.
I could too.

You can claim I Failed....
Because you did.
I'll just claim you're lame and a waste of thread space.
No doubt. I keep pointing out the giant flaws in your logic, lol.

Anyways, I've entertained your pointless crap for long enough... time to move onto other, more worthwhile posts.
No body likes seeing their mistakes and errors pointed out. You're no different.

The mature and intelligent learn, grow and move forward.

Then there's you, lol.

Nice spin on the facts.

Nazism and the whole deal during Hitler's rule was to make a whole new Christianity with omissions in the bible that related to Judaism.... Replacing those with Nordic tales and mythologies, for one, Jesus wasn't Jewish, he was Nordic, etc.
Then it wouldn't be Christian, lol.

But nice attempt to try and distance Christianity from Nazism....
Hitler succeeded.

Speaking of fails.
Like most of your posts.
 

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I'm done. Dense or purposely obtuse, I'm tired of the bullshyte.

Does that mean you're leaving the Church?

I think you might have mis-parsed gerryh's sentence a bit, but more to the point, a lot of the things Jesus is reported as having said make good sense as a proper way to behave, and to that extent I'd have to say that I follow them too, but it's not a matter of following his teachings as such. A lot of other thinkers have said similar things, the ethical franchise isn't exclusive to him.

I think gerry might have done a bad job of phrasing his sentence. That's his problem, not mine. He obviously lacks any sense of humour or ability to see things from any other point of view.
 

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A couple of tricks to keep the JWs away from your door....

1) go to red cross and get a 'blood donor' sticker. Put that on your door & you shouldn't get a knock.
2) answer door holding copy of Torah and wearing a yamulke. This usually makes them leave without saying a word.

3) Tell them to f**k off!

Does that mean you're leaving the Church?



I think gerry might have done a bad job of phrasing his sentence. That's his problem, not mine. He obviously lacks any sense of humour or ability to see things from any other point of view.

Yeah, humour is not his long suit, but his intelligence shouldn't be underated, it just comes in shades of black and white! :lol:
 

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3) Tell them to f**k off!



Yeah, humour is not his long suit, but his intelligence shouldn't be underated, it just comes in shades of black and white! :lol:
Why be rude - Tell them you have your own beliefs and you will not have any problems. I do that and never a problem. They stop coming.
 

CDNBear

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Why be rude - Tell them you have your own beliefs and you will not have any problems. I do that and never a problem. They stop coming.
I used to invite them in and discuss their religion.

Even the one gentlemen that stuttered terribly.

I had to give him props. As long as it took him to get it out, he did what he felt his calling was.
 

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Why be rude - Tell them you have your own beliefs and you will not have any problems. I do that and never a problem. They stop coming.

Actually in real life, that is pretty close to what I do. But they do keep coming.
 

SLM

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I used to invite them in and discuss their religion.

Even the one gentlemen that stuttered terribly.

I had to give him props. As long as it took him to get it out, he did what he felt his calling was.

I always found it difficult to get angry or really annoyed with them. The way I look at it, they are absolutely sure that they are doing 'the right thing' and they feel compelled to go out and let everyone else know.

I never invited them in though. My understanding, like my patience, has limits, lol.
 

CDNBear

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I always found it difficult to get angry or really annoyed with them. The way I look at it, they are absolutely sure that they are doing 'the right thing' and they feel compelled to go out and let everyone else know.

I never invited them in though. My understanding, like my patience, has limits, lol.
Patience is one of my more stalwart virtues.
 

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My favorite JWs were my cousin and her husband, who used to feed my cousin (her younger brother) hot buttered rum at nights, sitting around the cottage.
 

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Colpy; said:
FAIL on the attempted deflection.

And FAIL on the Sikh thing....:)

And Naziism was Pagan, not Christian.



Fail? No delfection, just truth. As for the Sikhs they themselves said it and you can find similar articles in Google.

Nazis were pagans? Now, you're really off your rocker:









I can post DOZENS more of these for you if you wish.


Therefore, it is YOU who fail.
 

Praxius

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Noooo....you don't know much about history.

The Germans invaded Poland in September of 1939......that set off World War Two. The policy of Final Solution for the Jews did not even exist until 1941.

Wrong... the Final Solution wasn't implemented until 1941, but it was being planned for much longer than that and as just one example:

"Prior to the beginning of World War II, during a speech given on January 30, 1939 (the sixth anniversary of his accession to power), Hitler foretold the coming Holocaust of European Jewry when he said:

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe"


Unless you wish to refute that he ever said this, or unless you wish to refute what was already provided in my previous post relating to how Nazism was attempting to re-write Christianity so that there was no mention of Judaism, but replaced with Nordic history instead.... then it is you who has an issue with history, not I.

Stalin killed many, many more people....he was an atheist.

Naziism was pagan.......OF COURSE Hitler claimed Christianity, Germany was a Christian country. Are you going to take the man at his word??

Considering we're discussing his plans, his views and his frame of mind regarding all of this.... wtf else would you expect someone to do but to take his word on his own views?

To ask someone else what he was thinking when they're not him??

That's like someone asking you to tell them what's going on in my mind, rather than me telling you directly what's on my mind :roll: Cuz we'd know just how reliable you'd be in telling others what's on my mind.

Nice counter argument though.... Hitler is quoted as saying something... which he eventually ends up doing, but you say you can't take him for his word, nor can trust anything he's been quoted as saying?? :roll:

The symbolism, the mysticism, the glorification of the super race, all pagan views.....as well:

Which is selective in the information... Pagan views, yes... Destruction of Christianity?

Perhaps the destruction of it in the current sense, but he was actually going to re-write Christianity:

Religious aspects of Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"After Nazi Germany had surrendered in World War II, the U.S. Office of Strategic Services published a report on the Nazi Master Plan of the Persecution of the Christian Churches. The discussion among historians and theologians about religion in Nazi Germany often came to similar results. For Kathleen Harvill Burton, there was a religious objective in National Socialism: make traditional Christianity disappear, and transform it into positive Christianity, based on Nazi mysticism as preached by Alfred Rosenberg. In particular the Bible had to be purged of all its Jewish content (i.e., the entire Old Testament, the Gospel of Matthew, and the Pauline Epistles). This was continuous with Paul Lagarde's research on a Germanised and "de-judaized" Christianism. According to Rosenberg:

Saint Paul was responsible for the destruction of the racial values from Greek and Roman culture;
the dogma of hell advanced in the Middle Ages destroyed the free Nordic spirit;
original sin and grace are Oriental ideas that corrupt the purity and strength of Nordic blood;
the Old Testament and the Jewish race are not an exception and one should return to the Nordic peoples' fables and legends;
Jesus was not Jewish, but had Nordic blood from his Amorite ancestors."


But nice selective History you have there.

The tables have flipped. Big Time.

Not really. ;-)

Try again.

Christianity is built directly on a pagan frame. Every plank and every spike was stolen and repainted after the numbers were filed off.

Gods in the Clouds, Evil Dudes underground, Messengers with halos and wings coming from the clouds.... all Greek Mythologies copied.

Jesus is also copied from the Egyptian God Horus.... There's not much in Christianity that's actually Original.
 

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Well if the 3rd Reich had survived they would indeed have had rituals- And you can be assured they would not be sitting around a campfire singing What a friend we have in Jesus.

Of course they would sing that. It was written later. Maybe a resounding Nazi version of Kumbya.

"Kumbya my lord and kill the Jews..." :lol:

No, it's a good thing those ck skers are gone.

You can't call them that, c*cksuckers are useful!

Why be rude - Tell them you have your own beliefs and you will not have any problems. I do that and never a problem. They stop coming.

I did the Toah & yamulke thing once. They practically ran away screaming. I have often wondered if it was because all I had on was the yamulke.8O
 

Dexter Sinister

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I think gerry might have done a bad job of phrasing his sentence. That's his problem, not mine.
Perhaps so, but it's not entirely his problem. Takes two to have a conversation, and when you recognize that someone's phrased something badly you could make an effort to understand what was meant. He did not mean that atheists do or should be expected to follow Christ's teachings, and I'm sure you knew that.
He obviously lacks any sense of humour or ability to see things from any other point of view.
Oh, I dunno, I've seen him bantering with a few other posters here, he's not without wit. He's inclined to be prickly on certain subjects, but he has depth, I've seen a few instances of it. Unfortunately he rarely shows it here.
 

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Wrong... the Final Solution wasn't implemented until 1941, but it was being planned for much longer than that and as just one example:

"Prior to the beginning of World War II, during a speech given on January 30, 1939 (the sixth anniversary of his accession to power), Hitler foretold the coming Holocaust of European Jewry when he said:

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe"

Unless you wish to refute that he ever said this, or unless you wish to refute what was already provided in my previous post relating to how Nazism was attempting to re-write Christianity so that there was no mention of Judaism, but replaced with Nordic history instead.... then it is you who has an issue with history, not I.



Considering we're discussing his plans, his views and his frame of mind regarding all of this.... wtf else would you expect someone to do but to take his word on his own views?

To ask someone else what he was thinking when they're not him??

That's like someone asking you to tell them what's going on in my mind, rather than me telling you directly what's on my mind :roll: Cuz we'd know just how reliable you'd be in telling others what's on my mind.

Nice counter argument though.... Hitler is quoted as saying something... which he eventually ends up doing, but you say you can't take him for his word, nor can trust anything he's been quoted as saying?? :roll:



Which is selective in the information... Pagan views, yes... Destruction of Christianity?

Perhaps the destruction of it in the current sense, but he was actually going to re-write Christianity:

Religious aspects of Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"After Nazi Germany had surrendered in World War II, the U.S. Office of Strategic Services published a report on the Nazi Master Plan of the Persecution of the Christian Churches. The discussion among historians and theologians about religion in Nazi Germany often came to similar results. For Kathleen Harvill Burton, there was a religious objective in National Socialism: make traditional Christianity disappear, and transform it into positive Christianity, based on Nazi mysticism as preached by Alfred Rosenberg. In particular the Bible had to be purged of all its Jewish content (i.e., the entire Old Testament, the Gospel of Matthew, and the Pauline Epistles). This was continuous with Paul Lagarde's research on a Germanised and "de-judaized" Christianism. According to Rosenberg:

Saint Paul was responsible for the destruction of the racial values from Greek and Roman culture;
the dogma of hell advanced in the Middle Ages destroyed the free Nordic spirit;
original sin and grace are Oriental ideas that corrupt the purity and strength of Nordic blood;
the Old Testament and the Jewish race are not an exception and one should return to the Nordic peoples' fables and legends;
Jesus was not Jewish, but had Nordic blood from his Amorite ancestors."

But nice selective History you have there.



Not really. ;-)

Try again.



Gods in the Clouds, Evil Dudes underground, Messengers with halos and wings coming from the clouds.... all Greek Mythologies copied.

Jesus is also copied from the Egyptian God Horus.... There's not much in Christianity that's actually Original.

Uhmmmmm


I suggest you go back and read your own post.

You have completely proven my point.
 

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Uhmmmmm


I suggest you go back and read your own post.

You have completely proven my point.

No, what I have proven was your blatant omission of the remaining facts as you attempted to try and distance Christianity from Hitler and Nazism.

And you haven't even disproved or refuted any of the quotes and historical data relating to Hitler's own admissions and direct ties to Christianity.

Him wanting to restructure Christianity to remove any association from Jews isn't the destruction of Christianity any more than the Great Schism was the destruction of Christianity. One group of Christians didn't like how Christianity was being taught and followed, so they broke off and made their own version & rules for Christianity.

The only difference this time was you had a specific group who wanted to force one view of Christianity for all to follow.

Now if you want to play Spin Doctor by trying to make it out to being something else, go right ahead, but you're not winning any argument by doing so.