Fed up with Religions Yet?
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Now the Human version of Spock, would that be accurate?
Logic and reasoning govern every decision you make.
No, Spock is a fictional character, I'm real. And yes, insofar as possible,logic and reason govern every significant decision I make. I don't try to logic and reason my way to trivial choices like what restaurant to go to for supper, but for important things with long term consequences, like choice of partner, what house or car to buy, whether to take that job or not, stuff like that, I think very carefully. Fairly often it's necessary to choose with incomplete information, but that's not going with the gut either, that's an attempt to estimate the balance of probabilities. I try not to think with my gut.
Of course that is a sound personal philosophy which is the first definition of religion.
You forgot calculators. There is no end of things.
Your wife won't read this will she? Or was she a result of reason and logic willingly accepting the mathmatical certainty of union?
Any man who won't listen to his guts will go to bed hungry. Bob Confucious
Only ones running through my neighbourhood are squirrels, deer and bears and they can't get nekid.
No, but it wouldn't matter anyway, I didn't decide we should get married, she did. My decisions were just to ask her out in the first place, and then to test the proposition that her decision was right. And since we're still together and still like each other after 33 years,the evidence seems pretty compelling that she was.
Sounds irreligious. In our neck of the woods, whole cities are baptised with water.
The following does not state that the Cattholic Church will be paying any money but only the govt (taxpayers) will. I understand that the Catholics were given free reign to do whatever they wanted by the Irish govts., but I feel both should pay equal amounts doubling the compensation..........
Ireland agrees compensation for Magdalene Laundries survivors
The Irish government has agreed to pay up 58 million euros ($75 million) to hundreds of women forced to work at the Catholic Church's notorious Magdalene Laundries after a report found that a quarter of them were sent there by the Irish state.
The laundries, depicted in the award-winning film "The Magdalene Sisters", put 10,000 women and girls as young as nine through uncompromising hardship from the foundation of the Irish state in 1922 until 1996.
Run by Catholic nuns, the laundries have been accused of treating inmates like slaves, imposing a regime of fear and prayer on girls sometimes put in their care for becoming pregnant outside marriage.
One in 10 inmates died, the youngest at 15.
Under the compensation scheme, several hundred surviving inmates will receive up to 100,000 euros ($130,000) each, depending on how long they spent in the laundries, with a total cost to the state of between 34.5 million and 58 million euros.
"I hope that when you look back to today you will be able to say that the arrangements now announced constitute a sincere expression of the state's regret for failing you in the past," Justice Minister Alan Shatter said.
While some survivors groups welcomed the move, others were more skeptical.
"This has destroyed my life to date and all this that is going on will never take away our hurt," former inmate Mary Smith told state broadcaster RTE.
Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny in February apologized in parliament for the "national shame" of the laundries after a report found that a quarter of the women were sent there by the Irish state.
The apology followed investigations into clerical sex abuse and state-abetted cover-ups that have shattered the authority of the church in Ireland and rocked the Catholic Church's reputation worldwide.
However, unlike other reports where priests were found to have beaten and raped children in Catholic-run institutions, no allegations of sexual or physical abuse were made against the nuns.
Former inmates spoke instead of physically demanding work, enforced by scoldings and humiliation, at the laundries that operated on a commercial basis to wash linen and clothes for the state, private firms and individuals. ($1 = 0.7691 euros)
Ireland agrees compensation for Magdalene Laundries survivors | Reuters
Ireland agrees compensation for Magdalene Laundries survivors
The Irish government has agreed to pay up 58 million euros ($75 million) to hundreds of women forced to work at the Catholic Church's notorious Magdalene Laundries after a report found that a quarter of them were sent there by the Irish state.
The laundries, depicted in the award-winning film "The Magdalene Sisters", put 10,000 women and girls as young as nine through uncompromising hardship from the foundation of the Irish state in 1922 until 1996.
Run by Catholic nuns, the laundries have been accused of treating inmates like slaves, imposing a regime of fear and prayer on girls sometimes put in their care for becoming pregnant outside marriage.
One in 10 inmates died, the youngest at 15.
Under the compensation scheme, several hundred surviving inmates will receive up to 100,000 euros ($130,000) each, depending on how long they spent in the laundries, with a total cost to the state of between 34.5 million and 58 million euros.
"I hope that when you look back to today you will be able to say that the arrangements now announced constitute a sincere expression of the state's regret for failing you in the past," Justice Minister Alan Shatter said.
While some survivors groups welcomed the move, others were more skeptical.
"This has destroyed my life to date and all this that is going on will never take away our hurt," former inmate Mary Smith told state broadcaster RTE.
Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny in February apologized in parliament for the "national shame" of the laundries after a report found that a quarter of the women were sent there by the Irish state.
The apology followed investigations into clerical sex abuse and state-abetted cover-ups that have shattered the authority of the church in Ireland and rocked the Catholic Church's reputation worldwide.
However, unlike other reports where priests were found to have beaten and raped children in Catholic-run institutions, no allegations of sexual or physical abuse were made against the nuns.
Former inmates spoke instead of physically demanding work, enforced by scoldings and humiliation, at the laundries that operated on a commercial basis to wash linen and clothes for the state, private firms and individuals. ($1 = 0.7691 euros)
Ireland agrees compensation for Magdalene Laundries survivors | Reuters
Catholic Church Knew Of Australian Paedophile Priest
The Catholic Church had “extensive knowledge dating back to the 1950s” of the sexual abuse of children by the paedophile priest Denis McAlinden which continued over four decades on children as young as four and five, an inquiry has heard.
One boy who was abused by McAlinden between the ages of five and nine at Singleton was required to do penance after he told his parish priest, “apparently for his sin in being abused”, the inquiry into an alleged cover-up of child sexual abuse in the Catholic church in the NSW Hunter region has been told.
In 1975 there were further allegations of abuse by McAlinden against primary school children in the Forster area. A meeting of church officials on May 16 1976 recommended he be given permission to seek work in the Geraldton diocese in Western Australia.
A “very significant” letter the following day from one of the church officials, Vicar Capitular Monsignor Cotter , to then Bishop Clarke said said the allegations against McAlinden were “not extremely serious”.
The letter said the priest had admitted “paedophilic tendencies” towards “the little ones only” and recommended he get treatment.
There was no evidence treatment was sought or obtained, counsel assisting the inquiry Julia Lonergan SC said.
more
Australia: Catholic Church Knew Of Paedophile Priest... | Stuff.co.nz
The Catholic Church had “extensive knowledge dating back to the 1950s” of the sexual abuse of children by the paedophile priest Denis McAlinden which continued over four decades on children as young as four and five, an inquiry has heard.
One boy who was abused by McAlinden between the ages of five and nine at Singleton was required to do penance after he told his parish priest, “apparently for his sin in being abused”, the inquiry into an alleged cover-up of child sexual abuse in the Catholic church in the NSW Hunter region has been told.
In 1975 there were further allegations of abuse by McAlinden against primary school children in the Forster area. A meeting of church officials on May 16 1976 recommended he be given permission to seek work in the Geraldton diocese in Western Australia.
A “very significant” letter the following day from one of the church officials, Vicar Capitular Monsignor Cotter , to then Bishop Clarke said said the allegations against McAlinden were “not extremely serious”.
The letter said the priest had admitted “paedophilic tendencies” towards “the little ones only” and recommended he get treatment.
There was no evidence treatment was sought or obtained, counsel assisting the inquiry Julia Lonergan SC said.
more
Australia: Catholic Church Knew Of Paedophile Priest... | Stuff.co.nz
Well there are those odd times when thinking with your gut is important. KD or Lobster- I know what my gut would choose.
Christian Pastor: ‘I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty’ on Homosexuals
Fundamentalist Pastor Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona recently appeared on an Irish radio show. I’m not sure what the expectation was, but the host spoke with him for over an hour — with callers — and Anderson found a way to piss off just about everyone. (For the uninitiated, you can read more posts about Anderson here, here, here, and here.)
Here are some of the highlights:
17:50: Anderson talks about the social order in his household:
Christian Pastor: ‘I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty’ on Homosexuals
Fundamentalist Pastor Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona recently appeared on an Irish radio show. I’m not sure what the expectation was, but the host spoke with him for over an hour — with callers — and Anderson found a way to piss off just about everyone. (For the uninitiated, you can read more posts about Anderson here, here, here, and here.)
Here are some of the highlights:
17:50: Anderson talks about the social order in his household:
If you want to go home and have your wife boss you around and lord over you, I’ll tolerate you doing that. But that’s not the way it’s going to be in my house, because I’m actually a real man who actually is in charge in my home, and I’m not an effeminate man who lets my wife boss me around and tell me what to do, like most men are becoming today, unfortunately.
39:05: Someone asks what the pastor would do if he came home, wanted sex, and his wife said no:
Well, the Bible clearly teaches that, actually, it is wrong for a wife to refuse sex to her husband, but it also teaches… the opposite, that it’s wrong for a husband to refuse to have sex with his wife. So that’s actually a two-way street… so when it comes to the bedroom, the Bible teaches that it’s not right for either party to deny the other…
51:00: The host asks Anderson what he thinks about homosexuality:
Well, the Bible actually teaches that gays should be executed… now, I’m not saying that I would ever kill anyone, because I never would, but I believe that the government should use the death penalty on murderers, rapists, homosexuals, and… that’s what the Bible teaches very clearly.
Christian Pastor: ‘I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty’ on Homosexuals
Pastor Immunizes Underage Members Against Pregnancy and STDs with his 'special tool'
Larry Durant, 58, is charged with the sexual assault of three female church members. The minister at Word International Ministries in South Carolina has a criminal record, and many now wonder how Durant was allowed to hold a position of power.
Durant allegedly used his position to get close to his victims, two of whom are between the ages of 11 and 14. He told the victims that the sexual acts were part of the “healing process” and “private prayer,” detectives told WLTX News.
Court documents added that Durant said he was preventing them from “contracting sexual diseases or becoming pregnant early.”
The pastor’s rap sheet lists convictions for crimes like burglary and grand larceny.
In South Carolina, churches are not required to perform background checks on candidates for clergy positions. And actually, that’s pretty common elsewhere in the U.S. too.
more
http://www.wltx.com/news/article/240570/2/Larry-Durant-May-Have-Slipped-Through-Cracks
Larry Durant, 58, is charged with the sexual assault of three female church members. The minister at Word International Ministries in South Carolina has a criminal record, and many now wonder how Durant was allowed to hold a position of power.
Durant allegedly used his position to get close to his victims, two of whom are between the ages of 11 and 14. He told the victims that the sexual acts were part of the “healing process” and “private prayer,” detectives told WLTX News.
Court documents added that Durant said he was preventing them from “contracting sexual diseases or becoming pregnant early.”
The pastor’s rap sheet lists convictions for crimes like burglary and grand larceny.
In South Carolina, churches are not required to perform background checks on candidates for clergy positions. And actually, that’s pretty common elsewhere in the U.S. too.
more
http://www.wltx.com/news/article/240570/2/Larry-Durant-May-Have-Slipped-Through-Cracks
We almost need a thread titled Murica for stories like these...............
Alabama state champion coach fired for being attending the wrong church
East Memorial Christian Academy super coach Scott Phillips, who led the school’s football program to its first state playoff berth in years and coached the boys basketball team to the first state title in any sport, was dismissed because he refused to force his family to attend East Memorial Baptist Church.
While Phillips had never been forced to attend the school’s affiliated church when he was only a coach, that changed when he became the school’s athletic director. As confirmed by the Advertiser, East Memorial Christian Academy’s athletic director was expected to attend the East Memorial Baptist Church, even though there was allegedly not an official clause in the contract requiring such attendance.
Phillips tried to make that work, getting his family to start each Sunday at a 9 a.m. service at East Memorial before attending an 11 a.m. service at his family’s church of choice, Church of the Highlands. Eventually that routine began to make Phillips feel dishonest, leading to a conversation with East Memorial officials where the coach and AD told them he didn’t feel comfortable attending Sunday services at East Memorial Baptist.
That was the last conversation he would have as the school’s AD.
"I was 30 seconds from turning the job down because of the church issue," Phillips told the Advertiser. "They wanted me to transition from the Church of the Highlands to East Memorial. I never really liked that, so I went back in my administrator’s office and told them I was willing to give this a try, but I don’t know how this will work out?
"That was the last thing said."
Phillips insists that he tried to shift his family from Church of the Highlands to Eastern Memorial Baptist, but said he never reached any level of comfort about the decision. Eventually, he had to deal with the situation head-on, hoping that Eastern Memorial officials would be reasonable about his faith.
That was apparently too much to ask.
"In a nutshell, I told them I miss my old church," Phillips recalls. "I went in to share my heart to a pastor. Knowing what might happen, but kind of saying, 'Maybe we can work something out?' I knew that wasn’t going to be the end of it because it was going to be a process. It wasn’t received well."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/alabama-state-champion-coach-ad-fired-being-member-102348634.html
Alabama state champion coach fired for being attending the wrong church
East Memorial Christian Academy super coach Scott Phillips, who led the school’s football program to its first state playoff berth in years and coached the boys basketball team to the first state title in any sport, was dismissed because he refused to force his family to attend East Memorial Baptist Church.
While Phillips had never been forced to attend the school’s affiliated church when he was only a coach, that changed when he became the school’s athletic director. As confirmed by the Advertiser, East Memorial Christian Academy’s athletic director was expected to attend the East Memorial Baptist Church, even though there was allegedly not an official clause in the contract requiring such attendance.
Phillips tried to make that work, getting his family to start each Sunday at a 9 a.m. service at East Memorial before attending an 11 a.m. service at his family’s church of choice, Church of the Highlands. Eventually that routine began to make Phillips feel dishonest, leading to a conversation with East Memorial officials where the coach and AD told them he didn’t feel comfortable attending Sunday services at East Memorial Baptist.
That was the last conversation he would have as the school’s AD.
"I was 30 seconds from turning the job down because of the church issue," Phillips told the Advertiser. "They wanted me to transition from the Church of the Highlands to East Memorial. I never really liked that, so I went back in my administrator’s office and told them I was willing to give this a try, but I don’t know how this will work out?
"That was the last thing said."
Phillips insists that he tried to shift his family from Church of the Highlands to Eastern Memorial Baptist, but said he never reached any level of comfort about the decision. Eventually, he had to deal with the situation head-on, hoping that Eastern Memorial officials would be reasonable about his faith.
That was apparently too much to ask.
"In a nutshell, I told them I miss my old church," Phillips recalls. "I went in to share my heart to a pastor. Knowing what might happen, but kind of saying, 'Maybe we can work something out?' I knew that wasn’t going to be the end of it because it was going to be a process. It wasn’t received well."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/alabama-state-champion-coach-ad-fired-being-member-102348634.html
"Fed up with Religions Yet?"
A bit, but just two, ATM, and they are the aggressive ones that promote the idea that they are right and everyone should follow their particular code in spite of the fact that both purport and pretend to follow the idea to treat others as well as themselves and to live and let live. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to favor giving religions (rather than following their own brand of spirituality) that power over themselves.
A bit, but just two, ATM, and they are the aggressive ones that promote the idea that they are right and everyone should follow their particular code in spite of the fact that both purport and pretend to follow the idea to treat others as well as themselves and to live and let live. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to favor giving religions (rather than following their own brand of spirituality) that power over themselves.
