Fed up with Islam Yet???

Tonington

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As for Uganda, you really had to reach there, didn't you???

You asked about homosexuals and Christians didn't you? The bill was never put back on the order papers, because of the international pressure. That hasn't stopped larger Ugandan society from essentially lynching homosexuals, has it?

This essentially is evidence of the point that the society plays a stronger role than the actual religion does. If you still don't believe that, then try to find an instance in Canada or any other Western nation where crowds roamed the streets and stoned people to their death for looking Emo.

Like Les says, there are losers in every demographic group of humans. In some societies more so than in others.
 

L Gilbert

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Sorry....complete FAIL.

The guy in Oregon has not been convicted, no one was hurt, and it was a property crime.

Nobody convicted in Texas, no one was hurt, and it was a property crime. (although this is the closest you come, there have been acts of violence by anti-abortion activists.......to prevent what they see as murder)
Irrelevant argument. It's still violence perped by Christians. That no-one was injured or killed and no-one was convicted is incidental.

Terror and aggression in India???? From an obviously incredibly anti-Christian source???? Which lists mere suspicion of one murder, and accusations of child molestation by Christian perverts?? Really???
Is the article wrong? If so, then prove it.

Breivik denied his Christianity in his lunatic "manifesto". Right from the horse's mouth.
"Breivik claimed that he is a Christian in various forums" Is Anders Breivik A 'Christian Terrorist'? So its up in the air whether he is Christian or not.

Oh, here is the last TWO DAYS of Islamic actions..

2012.03.09 (Yala, Thailand) - Muslim 'rebels' kidnap two local soldiers from their post, tie them up and then execute them. 2012.03.08 (Ashaka, Nigeria) - Civilians are among seven dead when Boko Haram cadres attack two banks and a police station. 2012.03.08 (Sokoto, Nigeria) - Fundamentalists murder two European engineers in captivity. 2012.03.07 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Two young women are murdered on suspicion of being lesbians. 2012.03.07 (Karachi, Pakistan) - An Ahmadi is gunned down in a targeted attack at a market. 2012.03.07 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - A Taliban bomb planted in a sewer takes out a 9-year-old child.

Besides the Emo killings.....
So that means all Moslems are religious fanatics? Get a grip.

Take a snoop through here: https://www.google.ca/webhp?rlz=1C1...b4a373e0b87ba5e&ix=sea&ion=1&biw=1884&bih=931
 

Cliffy

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Christ is lord and master. Does that not mean the Christians must submit to and obey their master? How is that different from Muslims submitting? How many Christians do not throw (metaphorical) stones at those they think are breaking Christian law? Sometimes the emotional and psychological damage is worse than the physical.
 

WLDB

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And if we are fed up, what do you propose we do about it? Ban it? Throw them all in prison?
 

MHz

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Nope, just with the extremely high proportion of murderous lunatic idiots in the religion.

see Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and closer to home the Canadian Arab Federation, Palestine house, CAIR Canada.....
Hate to ruin your boner but the riots were caused by a statement made by a politician, nobody is a politician withou US approval. Do they do any screened other than look for some mark beside the 'Saddam is bad' line.
 

Dexter Sinister

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......in Christianity, gov't and society and religion are not one and the same.
They were once, and when they were, Christianity behaved just as badly as Islam does. Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity, and it's behaving about as Christianity did at the same age, except that it has better weapons. Modern western civilization exists in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion has resisted progress in science, the arts, and philosophy, at every turn, and it's still trying.

It's not that long ago that people like Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Victor Stenger, et al, and me (not that I consider myself part of that distinguished company) would have been tortured and executed for what they've said and written. Read Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century, to get a feel for how the Christian church wielded its secular power 600 years ago.
 

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They were once, and when they were, Christianity behaved just as badly as Islam does. Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity, and it's behaving about as Christianity did at the same age, except that it has better weapons. Modern western civilization exists in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion has resisted progress in science, the arts, and philosophy, at every turn, and it's still trying.

It's not that long ago that people like Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Victor Stenger, et al, and me (not that I consider myself part of that distinguished company) would have been tortured and executed for what they've said and written. Read Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century, to get a feel for how the Christian church wielded its secular power 600 years ago.

I beg to disagree - Islam changed around the 12th or 13th century - Became regressive. As Europe changed during the Reformation and thru the following centuries it lead to dramatic changes througout Europe.

Lecture 18: Islamic Civilization

In the 8th and 9th centuries, under the Abbasid caliphs, Islamic civilization entered a golden age. Arabic, Byzantine, Persian and Indian cultural traditions were integrated. And while in Europe, learning seemed to be at its lowest point, the Muslims created what I suppose could be called a "high civilization." Thanks to Muslim scholars, ancient Greek learning, acquired from their contact with Byzantine scholars, was kept alive and was eventually transferred to the West in the 12th century and after (see Lecture 26). But not only did Muslim scholars preserve the heritage of Greek science and philosophy, they added to it by writing commentaries and glosses, thus adding to what eventually became the western intellectual tradition. Throughout the Qur'an one can find a strong emphasis on the value of knowledge in the Islamic faith. The Qur'an encourages Muslims to learn and acquire knowledge, stemming from, but not limited to, the Muslim emphasis on knowing the unity of God. Because Muslims believe that Allah is all-knowing, they also believe that the human world's quest for knowledge leads to further knowing of Allah.

Lecture 26: The 12th Century Renaissance


Looking at the context in which Ibn 'Ata' Allah wrote Miftah al-Falah, the Islamic civilization of the Middle Ages was phenomenal in its successes in art and knowledge. The culture had the foremost doctors and scientists of their day, Danner-Fadae says. Its scholars were advanced in grammar and poetry, sciences, medicine, math, and astronomy. At a time when London and Paris had mud streets, Islamic civilization had paved streets, sewer systems, public baths, and other elaborate architecture. "Western Europeans learned Arabic to learn from Islamic civilization, especially to study their medical texts," she says. "A tradition could not flourish 1,400 years without some significance to it. It could not be superficial to have lasted these centuries and create such a tremendous civilization and such devoted followers."

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is little agreement on the precise causes of the decline, but in addition to invasion by the Mongols and crusaders and the destruction of libraries and madrasahs, it has also been suggested that political mismanagement and the stifling of ijtihad (independent reasoning) in the 12th century in favor of institutionalised taqleed (imitation) thinking played a part. Ahmad Y Hassan has rejected the thesis that lack of creative thinking was a cause, arguing that science was always kept separate from religious argument; he instead analyses the decline in terms of economic and political factors, drawing on the work of the 14th Century writer Ibn Khaldun.[9]

Decline Of Islamic Civilizations - Causes - Time For A New Paradigm By Mirza A. Beg

The great Muslim tradition of scholarship in philosophy and sciences were in decline by the dawn of the 13th century. About this time the Europeans had started translations of the knowledge accrued and built upon by the Muslim scholars. Though in the 15th and 16th centuries Europe was still in religious straight-jacket, it had started a gradual pushing back against the stranglehold of the unitary Catholic Church. The freedom of thought gradually gained ground in the 18th century, and has come to be known as the ‘Age of Reason’. With this came the unleashing of sciences, leading to better technology and the start of colonial expansion. By the mid 19th century the ‘Industrial Revolution’ had taken hold, particularly the war technology and exploration leading to world dominance and colonialism. The colonialism and the ascendance of the West were in part caused by the weakness in Islamic societies.

Though Islam unequivocally preaches egalitarianism, the powerful elite could not let go of the trappings of power base in tribes and ethnic dominion of conquerors. Though legally and ideally the Islamic justice system guarantied equality, the egalitarian ethos of Islam was greatly damaged. Early on, the conquering Arabs were accorded higher status leading to a class system. By the time Islam reached India the lower casts converts were shunned in social intercourse, in effect creating racism. They could have accepted Islam in droves, but they found that although the egalitarianism was preached, it was practiced with limitations. After fourteen centuries of Islam, tribalism continues in many Middle-Eastern countries to this day.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I beg to disagree -
I don't see how you're disagreeing with me, the point I made was that Islam's about 14 centuries old and it's behaving about like 14th century Christianity did, nothing you cited disputes that. It's certainly true that Islam once had a golden age, and actually that is a factor in the present behaviour of its extremists, who think the golden age was lost because Allah turned his face away from them as a punishment for straying from the true path. They believe what they have to do is go back to 7th century practices and Allah will smile upon them again and restore the golden age.

The real fault, if it can be laid at any one person's door, belongs to Imam Hamid al-Ghazali, Islam's equivalent of Aquinas. Baghdad between the 9th and 12th centuries was the intellectual centre of the world, a community of Islamic, Christian, Jewish, and other scholars free to investigate and share ideas. That intellectual community generated significant advances in medicine, astronomy, mathematics, navigation, engineering, etc., as well as preserving much of the legacy of classical Greece and Rome. Al-Ghazali codified and standardized the practice of Islam, wrote it all down and, among other great leaps backward, branded mathematics as the work of the devil. Revelation replaced investigation as the primary source of knowledge, he cut that intellectual community off at the knees, and it never recovered. That's what religion with secular power does.
 

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Radical Islam is not the main stay of the faith, and should not be labelled religion but criminal
organizations if they commit crimes against people in society. The Christian film is disturbing
because adults are warping young minds and those young minds become the religious
criminals of the future. The Christina kids may not become suicide bombers instead they will
become future elected officials that will use their powers to make life a living hell for a lot of
people. When you get radical groups like these be they Islamic, Christian or anything else,
that build a power base of significant magnitude you have a problem. You are baring witness
to the slow disintegration of society in general. Being killed by a radical Muslim or a radical
Christian doesn't make much difference to me as I would be just as dead either way,
Actually the Christian video is more troubling, these little future fascists have a better chance
of gaining power in western societies.
 

Colpy

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Hate to ruin your boner but the riots were caused by a statement made by a politician, nobody is a politician withou US approval. Do they do any screened other than look for some mark beside the 'Saddam is bad' line.

What statement???
 

gerryh

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Iraq? Iraq? Oh yes! That was the country that the "coalition of the willing" went into to "free" the Iraqi people from that horrid monster Saddam. You know Saddam, the secularist leader that managed to keep a lid on the Shia extremists, remember him?