Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

[MHz]

The CIA had a hand in the assasination of President Thieu in South Vietnam in the mid 60s....in that they let it happen......the same as with Allende of Chile....which was much worse. If you know of any others, I'd be interested.

Military interventions or just assignations?
(from the same link)
1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Chronological list of interventions, with the purpose of effecting “regime change,” attempted or materially supported by the United States—whether primarily by means of overt force (OF), covert operation (CO), or subverted election (SE):
a) OF and SE imply, necessarily, prior and continuing CO.

b) OF = directly applied state terrorism by the United States repressive apparatus i.e. the Departments of War/Defense, Energy, Treasury, and State. N.B. the formation of the National Security Council (1947) and the Office of Homeland Security (2002).

c) CO = reconnaissance, classical coups d’etat, legal harassment, disinformation (through media, legal, NGO, student, labor, and other front groups), bribery, sabotage, assassination, proxy warfare, running ratlines for fascist émigré groups, and assorted other clandestine activities.

d) SE = a particular species of CO, comparatively non-violent, high plausible deniability, usually involves dumping tons of cash and campaign technologies into the hands of rightist groups during elections, sowing discord in leftist parties, buying up media space in order to destabilize electorates, tampering directly with ballot results, and hiring jackboots to actively threaten and brutalize voters in the last resort. NB many subverted elections are preceded by lengthy terror campaigns (e.g. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Yugoslavia, etc).

It should go without saying that the following entries are simplified; only the major “payoff” year is listed, where applicable. Most attempted overthrows were preceded by lengthy preparations—vast right wing conspiracies, indeed. NB that this list remains under construction; new data will be added in the next installment.

[Date – place (head of targeted state/candidate in subverted election; political affiliation): outcome (means)]

The * indicates that I’m not clever enough to have found the absent data yet. Apologies.

“Neutralist” refers to a given regime’s desire to avoid taking sides with either power bloc in the cold war. It should be readily apparent that such is an unforgivable sin against the foreign policy establishment in the United States.

“Nationalist” refers to a given regime’s desire to nationalize foreign-owned means of production within its national boundaries. It should be readily apparent that such is an unforgivable sin against the foreign policy establishment in the United States.

1893 – Hawaii (Liliuokalani; monarchist): success (OF)
1912 – China (Piyu; monarchist): success (OF)
1918 – Panama (Arias; center-right): success (SE)
1919 – Hungary (Kun; communist): success (CO)
1920 – USSR (Lenin; communist): failure (OF)
1924 – Honduras (Carias; nationalist): success (SE)
1934 – United States (Roosevelt; liberal): failure (CO)
1945 – Japan (Higashikuni; rightist): success (OF)
1946 – Thailand (Pridi; conservative): success (CO)
1946 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): failure (SE)
1947 – France (*; communist): success (SE)
1947 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1947 – Romania (Gheorghiu-Dej; stalinist): failure (CO)
1948 – Italy (*, communist): success (SE)
1948 – Colombia (Gaitan; populist/leftist): success (SE)
1948 – Peru (Bustamante; left/centrist): success (CO)
1949 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): success (CO)
1949 – China (Mao; communist): failure (CO)
1950 – Albania (Hoxha; communist): failure (CO)
1951 – Bolivia (Paz; center/neutralist): success (CO)
1951 – DPRK (Kim; stalinist): failure (OF)
1951 – Poland (Cyrankiewicz; stalinist): failure (CO)
1951 – Thailand (Phibun; conservative): success (CO)
1952 – Egypt (Farouk; monarchist): success (CO)
1952 – Cuba (Prio; reform/populist): success (CO)
1952 – Lebanon (*; left/populist): success: (SE)
1953 – British Guyana (*; left/populist): success (CO)
1953 – Iran (Mossadegh; liberal nationalist): success (CO)
1953 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1953 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1954 – Guatemala (Arbenz; liberal nationalist): success (OF)
1955 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1955 – India (Nehru; neutralist/socialist): failure (CO)
1955 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): success (CO)
1955 – China (Zhou; communist): failure (CO)
1955 – Vietnam (Ho; communist): success (SE)
1956 – Hungary (Hegedus; communist): success (CO)
1957 – Egypt (Nasser; military/nationalist): failure (CO)
1957 – Haiti (Sylvain; left/populist): success (CO)
1957 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Japan (*; left-center): success (SE)
1958 – Chile (*; leftists): success (SE)
1958 – Iraq (Feisal; monarchist): success (CO)
1958 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Sudan (Sovereignty Council; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Lebanon (*; leftist): success (SE)
1958 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (SE)
1959 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1959 – Nepal (*; left-centrist): success (SE)
1959 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1960 – Ecuador (Ponce; left/populist): success (CO)
1960 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1960 – Iraq (Qassem; rightist /militarist): failure (CO)
1960 – S. Korea (Syngman; rightist): success (CO)
1960 – Turkey (Menderes; liberal): success (CO)
1961 – Haiti (Duvalier; rightist/militarist): success (CO)
1961 – Cuba (Castro; communist): failure (CO)
1961 – Congo (Lumumba; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1961 – Dominican Republic (Trujillo; rightwing/military): success (CO)
1962 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): failure (SE)
1962 – Dominican Republic (*; left/populist): success (SE)
1962 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO)
1964 – Guyana (Jagan; populist/reformist): success (CO)
1964 – Bolivia (Paz; centrist/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/marxist): success (SE)
1965 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): success (CO)
1966 – Ghana (Nkrumah; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1966 – Bolivia (*; leftist): success (SE)
1966 – France (de Gaulle; centrist): failure (CO)
1967 – Greece (Papandreou; social democrat): success (CO)
1968 – Iraq (Arif; rightist): success (CO)
1969 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist): failure (CO)
1969 – Libya (Idris; monarchist): success (CO)
1970 – Bolivia (Ovando; reform nationalist): success (CO)
1970 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): success (CO)
1970 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): failure (SE)
1971 – Bolivia (Torres; nationalist/neutralist): success (CO)
1971 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1971 – Liberia (Tubman; rightist): success (CO)
1971 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1971 – Uruguay (Frente Amplio; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): failure (SE)
1973 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): success (CO)
1974 – United States (Nixon; centrist): success (CO)
1975 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): success (CO)
1975 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): failure (CO)
1975 – Bangladesh (Mujib; nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): failure (SE)
1976 – Portugal (JNS; military/leftist): success (SE)
1976 – Nigeria (Mohammed; military/nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Thailand (*; rightist): success (CO)
1976 – Uruguay (Bordaberry; center-right): success (CO)
1977 – Pakistan (Bhutto: center/nationalist): success (CO)
1978 – Dominican Republic (Balaguer; center): success (SE)
1979 – S. Korea (Park; rightist): success (CO)
1979 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (CO)
1980 – Bolivia (Siles; centrist/reform): success (CO)
1980 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1980 – Italy (*; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Liberia (Tolbert; rightist): success (CO)
1980 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): success (SE)
1980 – Dominica (Seraphin; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1981 – Seychelles (René; socialist): failure (CO)
1981 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1981 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist); success (CO)
1981 – Zambia (Kaunda; reform nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Mauritius (*; center-left): failure (SE)
1982 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): success (SE)
1982 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Chad (Oueddei; Islamic nationalist): success (CO)
1983 – Mozambique (Machel; socialist): failure (CO)
1983 – Grenada (Bishop; socialist): success (OF)
1984 – Panama (*; reform/centrist): success (SE)
1984 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (SE)
1984 – Surinam (Bouterse; left/reformist/neutralist): success (CO)
1984 – India (Gandhi; nationalist): success (CO)
1986 – Libya (Qaddafi; Islamic nationalist): failure (OF)
1987 – Fiji (Bavrada; liberal): success (CO)
1989 – Panama (Noriega; military/reform populist): success (OF)
1990 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): failure (SE)
1990 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
1991 – Albania (Alia; communist): success (SE)
1991 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): success (CO)
1991 – Iraq (Hussein; military/rightist): failure (OF)
1991 – Bulgaria (BSP; communist): success (SE)
1992 – Afghanistan (Najibullah; communist): success (CO)
1993 – Somalia (Aidid; right/militarist): failure (OF)
1993 – Cambodia (Han Sen/CPP; leftist): failure (SE)
1993 – Burundi (Ndadaye; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1994 – Rwanda (Habyarimana; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – Ukraine (Kravchuk; center-left): success (SE)
1996 – Bosnia (Karadzic; centrist): success (CO)
1996 – Russia (Zyuganov; communist): success (SE)
1996 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): success (CO)
1996 – Mongolia (*; center-left): success (SE)
1998 – Congo (Kabila; rightist/military): success (CO)
1998 – United States (Clinton; conservative): failure (CO)
1998 – Indonesia (Suharto; military/rightist): success (CO)
1999 – Yugoslavia (Milosevic; left/nationalist): success (SE)
2000 – United States (Gore; conservative): success (SE)
2000 – Ecuador (NSC; leftist): success: (CO)
2001 – Afghanistan (Omar; rightist/Islamist): success (OF)
2001 – Belarus (Lukashenko; leftist): failure (SE)
2001 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
2001 – Nepal (Birendra; nationalist/monarchist): success (CO)
2002 – Venezuela (Chavez; reform-populist): failure (CO)
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)
2002 – Brazil (Lula; center-left): failure (SE)

We should keep in mind that the goals of the imperialist in each of these instances are multiple: acquisition of access to local “markets” of all varieties; imposition of neoliberal policy; destruction of any potential alternative to the techno-fascist ruling order; provision of incentive for a sprawling parasitical and parastatal medical-intelligence-military-industrial complex (MIMIC); production of official “villains” for propaganda purposes; intimidation of non-combatants (as in the year 1945), and continuing political hegemony of the transnational elite based in DC.

Dont let your hatred for the USA bias you either.;-)

Hatred isn't the motivation, just examining their conduct when they are adamant about the conduct of other Nations being despicable is a prudent thing to do. Unfortunately when you do that the US has a much longer list of abusing people than any other Nation that is called 'evil' by them or Israel.

Don't let patriotism blind you to the realities of the present and the past.

 

[Cannuck]

And what has that got to do with Iran ...

Ummmm....you're posting in a thread about Iran? Just a wild guess.

 

[Cannuck]

Someone needs to counterbalance those war mongers.

Those "warmongers" have never felt their enemies didn't have a right to exist.

 

[Cannuck]

I know Christians are chomping at the bit for Armageddon and are praying for it to come soon so they can thumb their noses at us heathen as we stand there watching in amazement as you guys disappear right from in front of our faces, but, too bad, so sad, you won't ever see that day.

Really? I know lots of Christians and I can't think of any of them that are praying for Armageddon. Do you make false blanket generalizations about blacks, gays, Chinese and left-handed people as well?

 

[Kakato]

Military interventions or just assignations?
(from the same link)
1.Chronological list of interventions, with the purpose of effecting “regime change,” attempted or materially supported by the United States—whether primarily by means of overt force (OF), covert operation (CO), or subverted election (SE):
a) OF and SE imply, necessarily, prior and continuing CO.

b) OF = directly applied state terrorism by the United States repressive apparatus i.e. the Departments of War/Defense, Energy, Treasury, and State. N.B. the formation of the National Security Council (1947) and the Office of Homeland Security (2002).

c) CO = reconnaissance, classical coups d’etat, legal harassment, disinformation (through media, legal, NGO, student, labor, and other front groups), bribery, sabotage, assassination, proxy warfare, running ratlines for fascist émigré groups, and assorted other clandestine activities.

d) SE = a particular species of CO, comparatively non-violent, high plausible deniability, usually involves dumping tons of cash and campaign technologies into the hands of rightist groups during elections, sowing discord in leftist parties, buying up media space in order to destabilize electorates, tampering directly with ballot results, and hiring jackboots to actively threaten and brutalize voters in the last resort. NB many subverted elections are preceded by lengthy terror campaigns (e.g. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Yugoslavia, etc).

It should go without saying that the following entries are simplified; only the major “payoff” year is listed, where applicable. Most attempted overthrows were preceded by lengthy preparations—vast right wing conspiracies, indeed. NB that this list remains under construction; new data will be added in the next installment.

[Date – place (head of targeted state/candidate in subverted election; political affiliation): outcome (means)]

The * indicates that I’m not clever enough to have found the absent data yet. Apologies.

“Neutralist” refers to a given regime’s desire to avoid taking sides with either power bloc in the cold war. It should be readily apparent that such is an unforgivable sin against the foreign policy establishment in the United States.

“Nationalist” refers to a given regime’s desire to nationalize foreign-owned means of production within its national boundaries. It should be readily apparent that such is an unforgivable sin against the foreign policy establishment in the United States.

1893 – Hawaii (Liliuokalani; monarchist): success (OF)
1912 – China (Piyu; monarchist): success (OF)
1918 – Panama (Arias; center-right): success (SE)
1919 – Hungary (Kun; communist): success (CO)
1920 – USSR (Lenin; communist): failure (OF)
1924 – Honduras (Carias; nationalist): success (SE)
1934 – United States (Roosevelt; liberal): failure (CO)
1945 – Japan (Higashikuni; rightist): success (OF)
1946 – Thailand (Pridi; conservative): success (CO)
1946 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): failure (SE)
1947 – France (*; communist): success (SE)
1947 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1947 – Romania (Gheorghiu-Dej; stalinist): failure (CO)
1948 – Italy (*, communist): success (SE)
1948 – Colombia (Gaitan; populist/leftist): success (SE)
1948 – Peru (Bustamante; left/centrist): success (CO)
1949 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): success (CO)
1949 – China (Mao; communist): failure (CO)
1950 – Albania (Hoxha; communist): failure (CO)
1951 – Bolivia (Paz; center/neutralist): success (CO)
1951 – DPRK (Kim; stalinist): failure (OF)
1951 – Poland (Cyrankiewicz; stalinist): failure (CO)
1951 – Thailand (Phibun; conservative): success (CO)
1952 – Egypt (Farouk; monarchist): success (CO)
1952 – Cuba (Prio; reform/populist): success (CO)
1952 – Lebanon (*; left/populist): success: (SE)
1953 – British Guyana (*; left/populist): success (CO)
1953 – Iran (Mossadegh; liberal nationalist): success (CO)
1953 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1953 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1954 – Guatemala (Arbenz; liberal nationalist): success (OF)
1955 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1955 – India (Nehru; neutralist/socialist): failure (CO)
1955 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): success (CO)
1955 – China (Zhou; communist): failure (CO)
1955 – Vietnam (Ho; communist): success (SE)
1956 – Hungary (Hegedus; communist): success (CO)
1957 – Egypt (Nasser; military/nationalist): failure (CO)
1957 – Haiti (Sylvain; left/populist): success (CO)
1957 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Japan (*; left-center): success (SE)
1958 – Chile (*; leftists): success (SE)
1958 – Iraq (Feisal; monarchist): success (CO)
1958 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Sudan (Sovereignty Council; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Lebanon (*; leftist): success (SE)
1958 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (SE)
1959 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1959 – Nepal (*; left-centrist): success (SE)
1959 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1960 – Ecuador (Ponce; left/populist): success (CO)
1960 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1960 – Iraq (Qassem; rightist /militarist): failure (CO)
1960 – S. Korea (Syngman; rightist): success (CO)
1960 – Turkey (Menderes; liberal): success (CO)
1961 – Haiti (Duvalier; rightist/militarist): success (CO)
1961 – Cuba (Castro; communist): failure (CO)
1961 – Congo (Lumumba; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1961 – Dominican Republic (Trujillo; rightwing/military): success (CO)
1962 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): failure (SE)
1962 – Dominican Republic (*; left/populist): success (SE)
1962 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO)
1964 – Guyana (Jagan; populist/reformist): success (CO)
1964 – Bolivia (Paz; centrist/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/marxist): success (SE)
1965 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): success (CO)
1966 – Ghana (Nkrumah; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1966 – Bolivia (*; leftist): success (SE)
1966 – France (de Gaulle; centrist): failure (CO)
1967 – Greece (Papandreou; social democrat): success (CO)
1968 – Iraq (Arif; rightist): success (CO)
1969 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist): failure (CO)
1969 – Libya (Idris; monarchist): success (CO)
1970 – Bolivia (Ovando; reform nationalist): success (CO)
1970 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): success (CO)
1970 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): failure (SE)
1971 – Bolivia (Torres; nationalist/neutralist): success (CO)
1971 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1971 – Liberia (Tubman; rightist): success (CO)
1971 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1971 – Uruguay (Frente Amplio; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): failure (SE)
1973 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): success (CO)
1974 – United States (Nixon; centrist): success (CO)
1975 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): success (CO)
1975 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): failure (CO)
1975 – Bangladesh (Mujib; nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): failure (SE)
1976 – Portugal (JNS; military/leftist): success (SE)
1976 – Nigeria (Mohammed; military/nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Thailand (*; rightist): success (CO)
1976 – Uruguay (Bordaberry; center-right): success (CO)
1977 – Pakistan (Bhutto: center/nationalist): success (CO)
1978 – Dominican Republic (Balaguer; center): success (SE)
1979 – S. Korea (Park; rightist): success (CO)
1979 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (CO)
1980 – Bolivia (Siles; centrist/reform): success (CO)
1980 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1980 – Italy (*; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Liberia (Tolbert; rightist): success (CO)
1980 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): success (SE)
1980 – Dominica (Seraphin; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1981 – Seychelles (René; socialist): failure (CO)
1981 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1981 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist); success (CO)
1981 – Zambia (Kaunda; reform nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Mauritius (*; center-left): failure (SE)
1982 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): success (SE)
1982 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Chad (Oueddei; Islamic nationalist): success (CO)
1983 – Mozambique (Machel; socialist): failure (CO)
1983 – Grenada (Bishop; socialist): success (OF)
1984 – Panama (*; reform/centrist): success (SE)
1984 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (SE)
1984 – Surinam (Bouterse; left/reformist/neutralist): success (CO)
1984 – India (Gandhi; nationalist): success (CO)
1986 – Libya (Qaddafi; Islamic nationalist): failure (OF)
1987 – Fiji (Bavrada; liberal): success (CO)
1989 – Panama (Noriega; military/reform populist): success (OF)
1990 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): failure (SE)
1990 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
1991 – Albania (Alia; communist): success (SE)
1991 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): success (CO)
1991 – Iraq (Hussein; military/rightist): failure (OF)
1991 – Bulgaria (BSP; communist): success (SE)
1992 – Afghanistan (Najibullah; communist): success (CO)
1993 – Somalia (Aidid; right/militarist): failure (OF)
1993 – Cambodia (Han Sen/CPP; leftist): failure (SE)
1993 – Burundi (Ndadaye; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1994 – Rwanda (Habyarimana; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – Ukraine (Kravchuk; center-left): success (SE)
1996 – Bosnia (Karadzic; centrist): success (CO)
1996 – Russia (Zyuganov; communist): success (SE)
1996 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): success (CO)
1996 – Mongolia (*; center-left): success (SE)
1998 – Congo (Kabila; rightist/military): success (CO)
1998 – United States (Clinton; conservative): failure (CO)
1998 – Indonesia (Suharto; military/rightist): success (CO)
1999 – Yugoslavia (Milosevic; left/nationalist): success (SE)
2000 – United States (Gore; conservative): success (SE)
2000 – Ecuador (NSC; leftist): success: (CO)
2001 – Afghanistan (Omar; rightist/Islamist): success (OF)
2001 – Belarus (Lukashenko; leftist): failure (SE)
2001 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
2001 – Nepal (Birendra; nationalist/monarchist): success (CO)
2002 – Venezuela (Chavez; reform-populist): failure (CO)
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)
2002 – Brazil (Lula; center-left): failure (SE)

We should keep in mind that the goals of the imperialist in each of these instances are multiple: acquisition of access to local “markets” of all varieties; imposition of neoliberal policy; destruction of any potential alternative to the techno-fascist ruling order; provision of incentive for a sprawling parasitical and parastatal medical-intelligence-military-industrial complex (MIMIC); production of official “villains” for propaganda purposes; intimidation of non-combatants (as in the year 1945), and continuing political hegemony of the transnational elite based in DC.


Hatred isn't the motivation, just examining their conduct when they are adamant about the conduct of other Nations being despicable is a prudent thing to do. Unfortunately when you do that the US has a much longer list of abusing people than any other Nation that is called 'evil' by them or Israel.

Don't let patriotism blind you to the realities of the present and the past.

Hatred is your motivation my friend,a blind man could see it.
your condoning all govt's actions but the USA show that quite clearly, yet I bet you wouldnt last very long in any of those countries before pleading for a western one to come save your sorry ass.

At least if your going to slam a country you could be fair and show what the other ones have going for them but I wont hold my breath.
You only have a single agenda and thats bad USA.
I feel sorry for peeps like you that are so full of hatred,must be a bitch going through life like that but it is good entertainment for some of us.:lol:

 

[Kakato]

I should dig up the list of monetary and humanitarian donations the USA has made to all those countries on MHz's list.
It is staggering but I wont let that get in the way of MHz's hatefest..........yet.

 

[Goober]

Ah Goober, maybe you should skirt that comparison this year in that Israel upped their tally by more than 1,000 in just the 1 st month of the new year. Even targeting ones too young to be a threat because some day they might be a threat. The wars waged by Christian Nations numbers over 1 million in less than a decade, really a handful of years would make that number possible.

What a fat liar you are, read a bit and then look at some pictures of places of worship that are inside Iran.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]''We are different from the Jews of the diaspora. You see the name 'Persia' in the Old Testament almost as often as the name 'Israel.' The Iranian Jews are very much part of Iran,'' said Gad Naim, 60, who runs the old-age home in Tehran. Iranian Jews trace their history to the reign of Persia's King Cyrus. As the Bible tells it, Cyrus conquered Babylonia in 539 B.C., liberated the Jews from captivity, and raised funds for the rebuilding of their destroyed temple in Jerusalem. The return of the Jews to Jerusalem at that time was accompanied by a large migration to the lands that were then Persia, and now Iran. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]IRAN: Life of Jews Living in Iran[/FONT]

MHZNo I am not fat nor a liar- 6 ft - 200 lbs - As to Israel - you can include it if you wish - I was referring to mass mobs incited to kill by religious leaders. Read up on the cartoon escapade - see how cartoons were added to it and brought around from Arab to Arab countries - Then the mob mentality sets in - I take it that you disagree with that opinion?

 

[MHz]

Hatred is your motivation my friend,a blind man could see it.

Are all those items truthful or not? Hatred has nothing to do with disliking abuse of others, that list indicates a lot of abuses in a lot of different parts of the world.

your condoning all govt's actions but the USA show that quite clearly, yet I bet you wouldnt last very long in any of those countries before pleading for a western one to come save your sorry ass.

Spare me your bull. Is it true or not that some Americans pretend to be Canadians when they travel? Not that they act Canadian so that just smears the reputation of Canada.
Go ahead travel to all those countries listed wearing a I love America logo see how long you last. lol

At least if your going to slam a country you could be fair and show what the other ones have going for them but I wont hold my breath.
You only have a single agenda and thats bad USA.

No other country is claiming a moral high ground. Even Canada bowed out of an international human rights conference, says a lot for us doesn't it, that we did it at the request of the US shows us to be nothing but a puppet, not that is was truly a secret anyway.

I feel sorry for peeps like you that are so full of hatred,must be a bitch going through life like that but it is good entertainment for some of us.:lol:

You have a page or two of questionable info on why some countries should be disliked. Yet when presented with what would be volumes and volumes of verifiable documents your only comeback is it must be hatred, give your head a shake.

I should dig up the list of monetary and humanitarian donations the USA has made to all those countries on MHz's list.
It is staggering but I wont let that get in the way of MHz's hatefest..........yet.

How many of those 'gifts' were 'string free', not a single one except those 'very expensive gifts to Israel so don't forget to make that your first on the list since they are also the largest?

 

[In Between Man]

I know Christians are chomping at the bit for Armageddon and are praying for it to come soon so they can thumb their noses at us heathen as we stand there watching in amazement as you guys disappear right from in front of our faces, but, too bad, so sad, you won't ever see that day.

Your funny Cliff, that's why I like you.:smile:

(Man, would I like to see the look on your face though);-)

 

[AnnaG]

And then the Shiite will hit the fan - Israel will not tolerate a Nuclear Iran. Plain and simple and neither should the West - and if you think that is somehow unfair - Well TFB - they are in the Mid East a sizeable amount of crazies -

In case you missed one of my earlier posts, I said, "As I mentioned in the other thread, I wouldn't trust any outfit run by fundamentally religious outfits who were convinced that the entire planet should be the same way they are or die. I wouldn't trust any outfit that was run by a political out that thought in that manner either."

 

[AnnaG]

Not here for sure,maybe read up on your history a tad about the crusades,then Sharia law.

I can give you links,I lost 2 foster kids in shock and awe so I know a bit about the area.

We dont fly jets into buildings here mon ami,just the not friendlies that you think are our peacefull friends do.
no offence Cliffy but do you have a hard on for the states like the rest of the foilers?

I really get allmost sick to my stomach when I see some of you peeps posts where you use the death of innocent folks to push your agenda.

Keep it up bud,Ill be around to correct you on your bull****.

Yeah, there's no crazy people here:
Willy Pickton,
Clifford Olson,
Marshall Applewhite,
David Koresh,
Charles Manson,
Winston Blackmore,
Timothy McVeigh,
Marc Lepine,

etc.

 

[jsiooa]

I don't believe anybody should have them but as long as the US insists it have them, I think everybody should have them to protect themselves from US aggression.

Yes! Agreed 100%

 

[jsiooa]

I happen to be reading Edmund Morris' biography of Ronald Reagan, entitled Dutch. Neither Morris nor I are sycophants to Reagan as the conservative icon......however, your characterization of him as "wanting to hasten Armageddon" is not only completely unfair, it reveals a clear ignorance of the facts of the matter.

To my amazement, history will remember Ronald Reagan as the man who broke the back of one of the most murderous regimes in history,........without firing a shot.

We should have such a man to deal with China, were we have encouraged the worst regime on earth to emerge as a super-power.

Ronald Regan supported the Mujahideen financially and pretty much created Osama Bin Laden.

 

[Colpy]

Ronald Regan supported the Mujahideen financially and pretty much created Osama Bin Laden.

Baloney.

Yes Reagan supported the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan against the Soviet onslaught...........as he well should have. You should do a little research into Soviet actions in the area.........simply atrocious....talk about war crimes!!!!

Did he create Isama bin Laden? That is a ludicrous assumption. How could they have predicted that an element they aided would go rabid?? Tell me exactly what the USA did to encourage Osama's attack?

Pay an oil cartel inflated prices, making Osama's family rich rich rich rich?

Aid Osama and his Muslim brothers in their desperate and bloody fight against the Evil Empire??

Defend two Islamic staes (Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) against agression by a secular despot? (Saddam)

Ohhhhh....that's right.....the USA supports a free democratic western nation of 5 and one half million souls (Israel) that exists as an island of sanity in the midst of a sea of lunatic Islamic despots......for that sin the infidels must die......:roll:

Osama is simply a mad dog, fixated on the conversion of the world to Islam........we need to shoot him........and his followers.

Let's make it simple for you.....if you want to decide who deserves support in the conflict....compare the societies of Saudi Arabia, or Syria, or Iran, or Afghanistan under the Taliban....to that of Israel........

Israel does not execute homosexuals.....Israel has elections, Arab political parties, Arab MPs in the Knesset, Israel is a democracy..........just like us.......and the others?????????

 

[jsiooa]

Israel and U.S.A's crimes are more subtle and they try the best they can to hide it from the public. They're as corrupt as you can possibly get.

Those countries you mentioned, Saudi Arabia , Iran, Syria etc aren't perfect and have stone age laws but I guess that's theocracy for you.

However I find it absolutely appalling that you refer to Israel as "an island of sanity". A country that's murdered and butchered an innumerable amount of Palestinians, women and children included. They also won't hesitate to fire on and kill innocent news reporters.

 

[AnnaG]

Dukem and nukem.

 

[Colpy]

Israel and U.S.A's crimes are more subtle and they try the best they can to hide it from the public. They're as corrupt as you can possibly get.

Those countries you mentioned, Saudi Arabia , Iran, Syria etc aren't perfect and have stone age laws but I guess that's theocracy for you.

However I find it absolutely appalling that you refer to Israel as "an island of sanity". A country that's murdered and butchered an innumerable amount of Palestinians, women and children included. They also won't hesitate to fire on and kill innocent news reporters.

This is ludicrous.........the USA and Israel are "as corrupt as you can possibly get", while Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria "aren't perfect"????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEE HEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gasp that is hilarious! You oughta take that show on the road!

A couple of points:

Canada is a friend of Israel, and the closest ally the United States has.......with mutual defence pacts up the yin-yang. Anything the US is into, we are too.....

It must feel horrible for you, being part of such a corrupt society.

Might I suggest that you do take that show on the road.....go to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria....live the pure life.......speak out against any and all violations of human rights you see, just as you do here.......see how long you last.

Take one bit of advice though, take your passport, travel with friends, and when the secret police grab you, scream your name and "Canadian" out to passersby.....

SOP for survival in such societies. I hope you are lucky.

You BADLY need an education.

BTW, Palestinians within Israel vote, have their own political parties, have representation in the Knesset, have won Supreme Court decisions.

Compare:
There are no Jews in Saudi Arabia.....they have either been murdered, or had their assets seized and been driven out.

In Iran, there is a small Jewish community, but it lives in fear.....the smart ones fled long ago.

Syria used to have a thriving Jewish community.......all dead or in Israel.


What it comes down to, in Dick and Jane terms, is ....where would you rather live? Israel, or Syria/Saudi/Iran?????? Then guess who is on the right side.

And all the Arabs have to do to have peace is stop shooting at Jews. Take back their land, most of which Israel would be absolutely THRILLED to return. They have tried.......

 

[EagleSmack]

Ronald Regan supported the Mujahideen financially and pretty much created Osama Bin Laden.

Yes and No.

Reagan supported them with money and Stingers.

Bin Laden was kept from the CIA operatives because of his anti-US rhetoric and the Afghans did not want this foreigner with a lot of money screwing up Stinger deliveries. Osama created himself.

 

[petros]

Reagan no, Brzezinski yes.

They make a cute couple.

 

[#juan]

Can you name an Arab-Persian - Govt that is stable?

Iran used to have a stable, democratically elected, government until their policies on how their oil was exploited ran counter to what the Americans and the British wanted. The Shah was installed and he ran the country as an omnipotent dictator for twenty years or so. Since the Shah's rule fell apart, the country has been run by religious zealots who will be in power for the foreseeable future.