Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

[TenPenny]

I don't see how one side is more moral that then other.

They aren't. They are two sides of the same coin.

And in my opinion, not worth getting involved with. Neither side is superior to the other, so I have no respect for either.

 

[earth_as_one]

Iran announced recently they can produce yellowcake from their own mines

Dec 5, 2010
Iran Says It Has Enriched Uranium From Its Own Mine

...Western experts said the progress appeared to be more symbolic than substantive and did not bear immediately on whether Iran could accelerate its efforts at enriching uranium, which can fuel either reactors or atom bombs.

But Iran’s successful processing of uranium ore from a domestically mined source, which it has been working on for years, suggested the Iranians had found a way to bypass United Nations sanctions that ban them from importing raw uranium....

 

[Goober]

As was written above, the world needs to employ a UNIFORM, not a double standard. So who cares if certain people fear Iran? The entire world fears the USA which has been proven to be an imperialist in Iraq and Afghanistan. But that hasn't meant disarming the USA. Just leave Iran alone.

You are pretty simple minded - no wonder you are so Far to the Left, almost falling off a cliff with like minded lemmings

Did you read the link I posted as your information was stale dated. Best take someone with you when buying groceries.

Iran has been exporting their hate of Jews and assignation of dissidents for decades. From South America, bombing to Europe with assignations

Then their support for Hezbollah /Hamas to thwart any peace treaty

Then their statements about mass murder of Jews.

It is not certain as in a few people that fear an Iranian Govt with Nukes - it is everyone around them including Western Europe.

I support Iran's NPT right to acquire peaceful nuclear technology. Nothing more. I am against nuclear weapons in general, though I disagree with getting rid of them altogether. They create stability. We may have a need for them in the future, even if we successfully end war.



Iran has cascades of centrifuges which can enrich up to 20% fissionable uranium. The above weapon design requires enriched uranium components of a purity greater than 20%. Iran cannot reconfigure their declared centrifuges to purify above 20% without being noticed weeks in advance.

Iran's peaceful nuclear activities are beside the point as long as they are closely monitored. Our best chance of finding hidden centrifuges and component manufacturing labs is through constant IAEA monitoring.

If Iran can prove any IAEA inspectors are secretly working for one of their adversaries, then Iran can become uncooperative. That's why its important for the IAEA to maintain impartiality.

The most difficult and time consuming phase of enrichment is to the 20 % level. It is very simple, less time to enrich from 20 to 90 % than the time it takes to enrich to 20 %.

As we are well aware Iran has been building facilities well beyond what is required. Please read my earlier link as to the questions and problems the IAEA has had with Iran that has been ongoing for years.

 

[earth_as_one]

...The most difficult and time consuming phase of enrichment is to the 20 % level. It is very simple, less time to enrich from 20 to 90 % than the time it takes to enrich to 20 %.

As we are well aware Iran has been building facilities well beyond what is required. Please read my earlier link as to the questions and problems the IAEA has had with Iran that has been ongoing for years.

That may very well be true. Its also true that the same centrifuge configuration to enrich 20% cannot be used to enrich to 90%. Iran would have to build a new cascade.

My point is that Iran's peaceful nuclear program is no threat. I'm against Iran building a cascade to enrich beyond 20%. 20% isn't pure enough to make weapons, but sufficient to produce medical isotopes and nuclear energy.

 

[Goober]

That may very well be true. Its also true that the same centrifuge configuration to enrich 20% cannot be used to enrich to 90%. Iran would have to build a new cascade.

My point is that Iran's peaceful nuclear program is no threat. I'm against Iran building a cascade to enrich beyond 20%. 20% isn't pure enough to make weapons, but sufficient to produce medical isotopes and nuclear energy.

Enriched uranium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Enrichment methods
Isotope separation is difficult because two isotopes of the same elements have very nearly identical chemical properties, and can only be separated gradually using small mass differences. (235U is only 1.26% lighter than 238U.) This problem is compounded by the fact that uranium is rarely separated in its atomic form, but instead as a compound (235UF6 is only 0.852% lighter than 238UF6.) A cascade of identical stages produces successively higher concentrations of 235U. Each stage passes a slightly more concentrated product to the next stage and returns a slightly less concentrated residue to the previous stage.
No where does it state that another type of centrifuge is required. It passes from one batch of centrifuges to the next. Each one increasing the purity.

Next - It is fact that N Korea has cooperated with Iran - They have a bomb. Figure out that technology, equipment and expertise has also been passed along.

 

[ironsides]

There is a case for Nukes in a civilized world as it keeps all the civilized players at arms length
from wanting to engage in anything that would or could develop into a world war, without boundaries.
The word civilized is of prime importance here. China, America, the countries of Europe, even the
States of India and to a degree, Pakistan could in one form or another be regarded in the civilized
world, at least by international standards.
Let us look behind the mystery curtain, North Korea, and Iran, now there is a civilized lot let me tell
you. These people change like the wind, no one can make the argument that Iran or North Korea,
are nations that will abide by good neighbour status. Some have said Arab States are nervous that
Iran could or does have the bomb or capability to make it. The reason is Iran is not an Arab nation,
it is a Muslim Nation and a sharia state at that. Iranians are Persians, not Arabs. Means nothing in
the west but in the Middle East it has the same meaning as Greece not wanting Macedonia to rise
out of the ashes of Yugoslavia.
In short even within differing societies Nukes offset the other balances of power and people have to
find different ways of settling differences. Nations like Iran and North Korea, don't care about their
neighbours or anyone else, as civilized is not in their vocabulary, and playing nice has nothing to do
with it. If we don't confront Iran in the short term we will confront them in the long term, and at what
price, no one knows. North Korea is a little different, as even China has become wary of that
sinister regime.

Well put.

 

[petros]

The above weapon design requires enriched uranium components of a purity greater than 20%. Iran cannot reconfigure their declared centrifuges to purify above 20% without being noticed weeks in advance.

Sorry nope, just plain jane U235 is all that is needed to make a big ol mess. Refined U235 is more efficient but not needed. They are long past the enrcihment stages of U235 if already running reactors.

An ordinary “atomic” bomb of the kinds used in World War II uses the process of nuclear fission to release the binding energy in certain nuclei. The energy release is rapid and, because of the large amounts of energy locked in nuclei, violent. The principal materials used for fission weapons are U-235 and Pu-239, which are termed fissile because they can be split into two roughly equal-mass fragments when struck by a neutron of even low energies. When a large enough mass of either material is assembled, a self-sustaining chain reaction results after the first fission is produced.


The minimum mass of fissile material that can sustain a nuclear chain reaction is called a critical mass and depends on the density, shape, and type of fissile material, as well as the effectiveness of any surrounding material (called a reflector or tamper) at reflecting neutrons back into the fissioning mass.

I'll say it again they could have did it a long long time ago.

 

[mentalfloss]

Here's something to chew on for those who are a bit confused about who the really enemies are here..

Hamas resists Israel’s military occupation and its illegal and violent actions in the occupied territories. It is accused of refusing to recognize Israel (political parties do not recognize states). In contrast, the US and Israel not only do not recognize Palestine, but have been acting for decades to ensure that it can never come into existence in any meaningful form; the governing party in Israel, in its 1999 campaign platform, bars the existence of any Palestinian state.

Hamas is charged with rocketing Israeli settlements on the border, criminal acts no doubt, though a fraction of Israel’s violence in Gaza, let alone elsewhere. It is important to bear in mind, in this connection, that the US and Israel know exactly how to terminate the terror that they deplore with such passion. Israel officially concedes that there were no Hamas rockets as long as Israel partially observed a truce with Hamas in 2008. Israel rejected Hamas’s offer to renew the truce, preferring to launch the murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead against Gaza in December 2008, with full US backing, an exploit of murderous aggression without the slightest credible pretext on either legal or moral grounds.

The model for democracy in the Muslim world, despite serious flaws, is Turkey, which has relatively free elections, and has also been subject to harsh criticism in the US. The most extreme case was when the government followed the position of 95% of the population and refused to join in the invasion of Iraq, eliciting harsh condemnation from Washington for its failure to comprehend how a democratic government should behave: under our concept of democracy, the voice of the Master determines policy, not the near-unanimous voice of the population.

The Obama administration was once again incensed when Turkey joined with Brazil in arranging a deal with Iran to restrict its enrichment of uranium. Obama had praised the initiative in a letter to Brazil’s president Lula da Silva, apparently on the assumption that it would fail and provide a propaganda weapon against Iran. When it succeeded, the US was furious, and quickly undermined it by ramming through a Security Council resolution with new sanctions against Iran that were so meaningless that China cheerfully joined at once – recognizing that at most the sanctions would impede Western interests in competing with China for Iran’s resources. Once again, Washington acted forthrightly to ensure that others would not interfere with US control of the region.


ZCommunications | The Iranian Threat

 

[petros]

If you don't want to get blasted by a rocket don't take pot shots at people on the street or kids trying to get to school from your illegal settlement into gaza or west bank.

Pretty simple don't live in a illegal settlement and you won't get blasted.

 

[gopher]

''You are pretty simple minded - no wonder you are so Far to the Left, almost falling off a cliff with like minded lemmings
Did you read the link I posted as your information was stale dated. Best take someone with you when buying groceries.
Iran has been exporting their hate of Jews and assignation of dissidents for decades. From South America, bombing to Europe with assignations
Then their support for Hezbollah /Hamas to thwart any peace treaty
Then their statements about mass murder of Jews.
It is not certain as in a few people that fear an Iranian Govt with Nukes - it is everyone around them including Western Europe.

You are so far to the right that your ideas equal those of Hitler.

Like I said, having already refuted all that nonsense, I refuse to post my proofs again. I leave it up to the readers to decide for themselves what is correct ~ right wing propaganda lies designed to create wars that profit the wealthy - or do they believe the truth. That's up to them.

 

[petros]

If Iran bombed Israel with cash the Zionists would still bitch it's not enough.

 

[gopher]

If Iran bombed Israel with cash the Zionists would still bitch it's not enough.

War profit$ = that's what this propaganda barrage of lies is all about.

Oh by the way, for those of you who stupidly insist that we believe your pro war hysteria and lies, why don't you produce all the evidence you promised in the leadup to your war on Iraq? That might help your limited credibility some what.
LOL!

 

[petros]

Saddam had aluminum tubes. Colon Powell told the world at the UN that Saddam was going to kill people with tubes.

A tube wielding man is scarier than the boogieman.

It's okay to kill children according to some Rabbis.
YouTube - How To Kill Goyim And Influence People -- Torat Ha'melech

 

[gopher]

These right wingers fail to understand that you just cannot keep crying wolf every day. Like it or not these liars must PROVE their case, not merely repeat it like Hitler did back in the 30s.

 

[earth_as_one]

Enriched uranium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Enrichment methods
Isotope separation is difficult because two isotopes of the same elements have very nearly identical chemical properties, and can only be separated gradually using small mass differences. (235U is only 1.26% lighter than 238U.) This problem is compounded by the fact that uranium is rarely separated in its atomic form, but instead as a compound (235UF6 is only 0.852% lighter than 238UF6.) A cascade of identical stages produces successively higher concentrations of 235U. Each stage passes a slightly more concentrated product to the next stage and returns a slightly less concentrated residue to the previous stage.
No where does it state that another type of centrifuge is required. It passes from one batch of centrifuges to the next. Each one increasing the purity.

Next - It is fact that N Korea has cooperated with Iran - They have a bomb. Figure out that technology, equipment and expertise has also been passed along.

The level of enrichment depends on centrifuge efficiency and the number of centrifuges cascaded in series. (configuration) A cascade configured to produces a given amount 20% enriched uranium would have torn apart and reassembled in a different configuration to produce a lesser amount of 90% enriched uranium.

 

[petros]

These right wingers fail to understand that you just cannot keep crying wolf every day. Like it or not these liars must PROVE their case, not merely repeat it like Hitler did back in the 30s.

The Anti-Christians don't need evidence. Just thinking is worthy of killing someone.

 

[Cliffy]

Seems to me it might be dangerous to fart around nukes.

 

[Unforgiven]

The Anti-Christians don't need evidence. Just thinking is worthy of killing someone.

Satanists?

 

[petros]

Satanists?

Some say that. Some say demon wrangling in the ways of a once great king. Take your pick.

 

[Unforgiven]

Some say that. Some say demon wrangling in the ways of a once great king. Take your pick.

You say anti Christian and so I assumed you meant Satanists, who as a group are defined as anti Christian.
That's a pretty random thing to yell out in the middle of a thread don't you think?