Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

Iran should have Nuke Weapons


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petros

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The best way to resolve this isn't through force. It is by turning the middle east into a nuclear free weapon zone. The only problem with that is that Israel would have to agree to sign the treaty as well, but if they did, there's no doubt Iran would follow.
And then the borders will open up to the wallets of the Iranian people?

Wanna go sell frozen goat yogurt in Tehran parks?



It's gasoline powered!
 

ironsides

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The best way to resolve this isn't through force. It is by turning the middle east into a nuclear free weapon zone. The only problem with that is that Israel would have to agree to sign the treaty as well, but if they did, there's no doubt Iran would follow.
Nice idea, but would they? I don't think this goverment would.
 

petros

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'Iran stepping up war on drugs'
Mon Oct 4, 2010 10:35AM


Iran's Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar
Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar says the country has stepped up its fight against narco-trafficking and drug lords, using the latest means and methods.


“Iran has intensified its campaign, using modern means, to track down drug smuggling gangs,” Mohammad-Najjar was quoted by Fars news agency as saying late Sunday.

All provinces, governorates and districts should use their 'authority' to combat illicit drugs, he said in a meeting on combating drugs in the southeastern Iranian province of Sistan-Baluchestan.

The Iranian official further called for plans to give more awareness to the younger generation to further prevent drug use.

According to Mohammad-Najjar, the provincial borders with neighboring Afghanistan should be policed more strictly to curtail the inflow of narcotics into the country.

To that end, he underlined, foreign nationals should be prevented from entering Iran illegally and the provincial economic infrastructure needs to be improved.

The minister said more than $1 million has been set aside this year to seal Iranian borders, especially in the east and northwest.

He added that more finances will also be allocated to buy sniffer dogs, equip checkpoints, promote drug rehabilitation programs and round up drug addicts prowling the streets.

NN/MMA/HRF

They sure lay out the moolah to try and stop Karzai's brother's heroin from getting into Iran and off into Europe and beyond.

Iran seizes 210 tons of illicit drugs

Sun Oct 3, 2010 2:34PM


As the number of drug cartels continues to increase in its eastern neighbor, Iran says it has removed over 210 tons of illegal substances off the streets.


"Intensifying the campaign against drug smuggling and nabbing gang leaders is on the agenda of officials," Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar said on Sunday.

The former defense minister said authorities had arrested 84,700 "smugglers" in drug busts since the start of the Persian year beginning March 21st.

Meanwhile, Sistan-Baluchestan police chief Gholam-Ali Nekouyi said the amount of drugs discovered in the southeastern province over the past seven months showed a staggering 112 percent rise compared to the same period last year.

Iranian officials have repeatedly criticized US forces in neighboring Afghanistan, saying the mission has failed to stabilize the war-torn country and stop the endless stream of drugs from its southern poppy fields.

In a meeting with Executive Director of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) Yuri Fedotov last week, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki stressed that foreign forces in Afghanistan must be held accountable for the "unbelievable growth of drug production from 300 to 900 tons."

The UN drugs monitoring body revealed in its 2010 report that Afghanistan continues to account for 90 percent of the world's illicit opium and heroin production.

ZHD/HGH/MMN

Afghanistan sounds like South Asia's version of Mexico.
 

mentalfloss

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Nice idea, but would they? I don't think this goverment would.

They definitely would, but only if Israel made the first move to indicate the intention to sign and you won't see that happening any time soon.
 

petros

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I bet Iran would love to fund the rebuilding of Iraq. It would be far far better than the Wahabis like it is now.
 

ironsides

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'Iran stepping up war on drugs'
Mon Oct 4, 2010 10:35AM


Iran's Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar
Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar says the country has stepped up its fight against narco-trafficking and drug lords, using the latest means and methods.


“Iran has intensified its campaign, using modern means, to track down drug smuggling gangs,” Mohammad-Najjar was quoted by Fars news agency as saying late Sunday.

All provinces, governorates and districts should use their 'authority' to combat illicit drugs, he said in a meeting on combating drugs in the southeastern Iranian province of Sistan-Baluchestan.

The Iranian official further called for plans to give more awareness to the younger generation to further prevent drug use.

According to Mohammad-Najjar, the provincial borders with neighboring Afghanistan should be policed more strictly to curtail the inflow of narcotics into the country.

To that end, he underlined, foreign nationals should be prevented from entering Iran illegally and the provincial economic infrastructure needs to be improved.

The minister said more than $1 million has been set aside this year to seal Iranian borders, especially in the east and northwest.

He added that more finances will also be allocated to buy sniffer dogs, equip checkpoints, promote drug rehabilitation programs and round up drug addicts prowling the streets.

NN/MMA/HRF

They sure lay out the moolah to try and stop Karzai's brother's heroin from getting into Iran and off into Europe and beyond.

Iran seizes 210 tons of illicit drugs

Sun Oct 3, 2010 2:34PM


As the number of drug cartels continues to increase in its eastern neighbor, Iran says it has removed over 210 tons of illegal substances off the streets.


"Intensifying the campaign against drug smuggling and nabbing gang leaders is on the agenda of officials," Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar said on Sunday.

The former defense minister said authorities had arrested 84,700 "smugglers" in drug busts since the start of the Persian year beginning March 21st.

Meanwhile, Sistan-Baluchestan police chief Gholam-Ali Nekouyi said the amount of drugs discovered in the southeastern province over the past seven months showed a staggering 112 percent rise compared to the same period last year.

Iranian officials have repeatedly criticized US forces in neighboring Afghanistan, saying the mission has failed to stabilize the war-torn country and stop the endless stream of drugs from its southern poppy fields.

In a meeting with Executive Director of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) Yuri Fedotov last week, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki stressed that foreign forces in Afghanistan must be held accountable for the "unbelievable growth of drug production from 300 to 900 tons."

The UN drugs monitoring body revealed in its 2010 report that Afghanistan continues to account for 90 percent of the world's illicit opium and heroin production.

ZHD/HGH/MMN

Afghanistan sounds like South Asia's version of Mexico.
You never want to get caught selling drugs in Iran, ever since the Shah was ousted a drug dealer/user was lucky to get a prison term.
 

petros

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7 surprising facts about drug addiction in Iran

Even as some U.S. government leaders claim we are on the verge of war with Iran, most Americans know very little about this isolationist Middle-Eastern country. One thing that might surprise many people about Iran is the depth and seriousness of the drug problem within its borders.

1. According to the Washington Post, Iran currently has the world’s highest rate of drug addiction.
2. The United Nations reported in 2005 that Iran had the highest rate of opium addicts in the world, with over 2.5% of the population over the age of 15 having developed a dependence on the drugs.
3. Some political reformers in Iran believe that drugs are being used by the hard line government as a tool to destroy the opposition – and claim that drug dealers are given the OK by the government to give drugs away for free on college campuses.
4. The revenue from the illegal drug trade in Iran is almost three-quarters of that of the country’s considerable oil business.
5. There are approximately 200,000 IV drug users in Iran. It is believed that 50,000 of them are currently infected with HIV.
6. Due to the fundamentalist nature of the government in Iran, there are very few drug rehab facilities, needle exchanges or education opportunities to teach young people about the dangers of drug use.
7. Iran is a major route for the drugs that move out of Afghanistan and into Europe for mass consumption. This is due to the small numbers of borders that need to be crossed in order to transport heroin and other illegal substances.
 

earth_as_one

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What makes you think Persia would light them up instantly? The far more radicals in Pakistan could have lit them up 20 years ago but that hasn't happened has it? Why not?

Perhaps Iran wishes to defend it'self from Pakistan or India? Would you feel ackward with all your riches living next door to two nuclear armed nations that want your resources?

Keep in mind Russia also looms in there too.

And another thing.

They could have made and used a plain jane uranium bomb a long long time ago.

New IAEA Report Shows Iran Nearing Nuclear Breakout Capability


Iran's uranium-enrichment facility near Isfahan (file photo)
http://www.rferl.org/content/New_IA...ring_Nuclear_Breakout_Capability/1496564.html
February 20, 2009

12 January 2010
Tehran claims west was behind killing of nuclear physicist who was a supporter of Iranian opposition
Allegations fly over Iranian scientist's assassination | World news | The Guardian

November 29, 2010
The Iranian government has accused the US and Israel of plotting what they deemed "terrorist attacks," which killed one Iran nuclear scientist and wounded another.
Iran nuclear scientists targeted in Tehran blasts - CSMonitor.com


The best way to resolve this isn't through force. It is by turning the middle east into a nuclear free weapon zone. The only problem with that is that Israel would have to agree to sign the treaty as well, but if they did, there's no doubt Iran would follow.

I don't see any way a full scale war can be avoided.
 
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From earth as one's article:

''For Iran's envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Ali Asghar Soltanieh, the UN nuclear watchdog's latest report shows that Tehran's nuclear program is developing peacefully in line with IAEA regulations.

Nuff said.
 

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From earth as one's article:

''For Iran's envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Ali Asghar Soltanieh, the UN nuclear watchdog's latest report shows that Tehran's nuclear program is developing peacefully in line with IAEA regulations.

Nuff said.

Link Please - Then enuff might be said.
 

ironsides

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no more "Post" numbers??

New IAEA Report Shows Iran Nearing Nuclear Breakout Capability


Iran's uranium-enrichment facility near Isfahan (file photo)
http://www.rferl.org/content/New_IA...ring_Nuclear_Breakout_Capability/1496564.html
February 20, 2009

12 January 2010
Tehran claims west was behind killing of nuclear physicist who was a supporter of Iranian opposition
Allegations fly over Iranian scientist's assassination | World news | The Guardian

November 29, 2010
The Iranian government has accused the US and Israel of plotting what they deemed "terrorist attacks," which killed one Iran nuclear scientist and wounded another.
Iran nuclear scientists targeted in Tehran blasts - CSMonitor.com




I don't see any way a full scale war can be avoided.
I didn't approve of India or Pakistan getting the bomb. That they did quietly on their own. Still don't like it, but can see why. India has to protect itself from China and Pakistan from India.
 

earth_as_one

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...I didn't approve of India or Pakistan getting the bomb. That they did quietly on their own. Still don't like it, but can see why. India has to protect itself from China and Pakistan from India.
By your rationale, you should support Iran getting nukes to protect itself from nuke possessing US and Israel. Otherwise you are holding Iran to a different standard than India and Pakistan.

I don't believe in double standards. The NPT cannot work unless it applies to all countries equally.

As per the NPT, non-nuke weapon possessing countries must not attempt to develop nuclear weapons. India, Israel, North Korea and Pakistan are not compliant with this mandatory part of the NPT.

AS per the NPT, all nuke nations must reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. Since China, France, Russia, the UK and US have all continued to research and modernize their nuclear arsenals, they are in violation of this mandatory part of the NPT.

Currently Iran is compliant of all mandatory parts of the NP, but only partially compliant with the voluntary confidence building NPT protocols. Their nuclear sites are continuously monitored by the IAEA. They have stated they will not develop nuclear weapons. NPT states that all nations have the right to peaceful nuclear technologies.

One of the roles of the IAEA is to assist nations attempting to develop peaceful nuclear technology. The US and other nations may have corrupted the IAEA. It appears they are using it as an instrument to disrupt Iran's efforts to develop peaceful nuclear technology.

June 21, 2010(Reuters)
Iran has barred two U.N. nuclear inspectors from entering the Islamic Republic, increasing tension less than two weeks after Tehran was hit by new U.N. sanctions over its disputed atomic program.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) rejected Iran's reasons for the ban and said it fully supported the inspectors, which Tehran has accused of reporting wrongly that some nuclear equipment was missing.
"The IAEA has full confidence in the professionalism and impartiality of the inspectors concerned," spokesman Greg Webb said in an unusually blunt statement which described the IAEA's report issued last month as "fully accurate"... Iran, which has declared the two inspectors persona non grata, made clear it would still allow the Vienna-based U.N. watchdog to monitor its nuclear facilities, saying other experts could carry out the work. "Inspections are continuing without any interruption," Iran's IAEA envoy Ali Asghar Soltanieh...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65K0ZO20100621



BBC
Dec 4, 2010‎
...Iran has accused the UN's nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, of sending foreign agents to spy on its nuclear programme.

Its intelligence minister also repeated the charge that Western spy agencies were behind the murder this week of an Iranian nuclear scientist...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11919051
Meanwhile, several prominent Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated by car bombings. If these activities occurred in Israel, the US or Canada, our news would not hesitate to label them as terrorism. Instead here is how the CBC describes these attacks:

Iran's president accused Israel and the West of being behind a pair of daring bomb attacks that killed one nuclear scientist and wounded another in their cars on the streets of Tehran on Monday. He also admitted for the first time that a computer worm had affected centrifuges in Iran's uranium enrichment program.


Yet another double standard. Either car bombs in public places to kill civilians are acts of terrorism or they aren't.
 
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Colpy

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By your rationale, you should support Iran getting nukes to protect itself from nuke possessing US and Israel. Otherwise you are holding Iran to a different standard than India and Pakistan.

I don't believe in double standards. The NPT cannot work unless it applies to all countries equally.

As per the NPT, non-nuke weapon possessing countries must not attempt to develop nuclear weapons. India, Israel, North Korea and Pakistan are not compliant with this mandatory part of the NPT.

AS per the NPT, all nuke nations must reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. Since China, France, Russia, the UK and US have all continued to research and modernize their nuclear arsenals, they are in violation of this mandatory part of the NPT.

Currently Iran is compliant of all mandatory parts of the NP, but only partially compliant with the voluntary confidence building NPT protocols. Their nuclear sites are continuously monitored by the IAEA. They have stated they will not develop nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, many of their most prominent nuclear scientists have been assassinated by car bombings. If these activities occurred in Israel, the US or Canada, our news would not hesitate to label them as terrorism. Instead here is how the CBC describes these attacks:



Yet another double standard. Either car bombs in public places to kill civilians are acts of terrorism or they aren't.

As I keep saying.....It is NOT a kindergarten game where everybody has to play fair and share and then go have milk and cookies after........

It is geo-politics.....and the very fact that Islamic Arab states are terrified of a nuclear armed Iran should wake up even the most profoundly innocent of the lot.

And WHO GIVES A CRAP about protocols..........common sense is all one needs in this case.

To paraphrase that Retired Cdn Soldier, You have to be retarded to want to allow a nuclear armed Iran.