Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

Iran should have Nuke Weapons


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MHz

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I guess Iran will be attacked soon because of all the news stories. I wonder where all the Israelis will run to.
Don't you mean when will it be Lebanon's turn?

It is common knowledge that the Iranian Govt and their Religious thugs use every known tactic to intimidate - Torture - rape - murder - these are the ones you defend -
How is that 'common knowledge' gathered if Iran is such a closed country? You use those terms as if the Us, Britain, Israel, etc don't use those same tactics and a much more frequent and 'hidden' way. You are quite liberal to denounce deaths that come from beatings while in custody if it concerns Iran, you mouth is firmly zipped tight when it comes to condemning torture and deaths that happen in places run by the US or Israel.

Of course you will say the US is to blame - drag some crap up from the days of the Shah and SAVAK -
So bringing up US abuses is crap but when Iran is running the prison it's headline news.

The Iranian regime is scared to death of the youth rebellion they are encountering - It would not surprise me in the least that they will use live ammunition in the event that an anti -Govt protest goes to far. Waiting for your reply. Your Pal Goober.
I doubt they were anymore scared than the US gov was when students were opposing the Viet Nam war.
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"The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent-State massacre,[2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/iran-admits-jailed-protesters-were-beaten-to-death/article1406495/

Iran's hard-line judiciary acknowledged for the first time Saturday that at least three prisoners detained after June's disputed presidential election were beaten to death by their jailers, confirming a key claim by the country's opposition movement.
The surprising acknowledgment followed months of repeated denials by police and other authorities that the deaths of protesters in Iranian custody were caused by abuse.In a statement, the judiciary said 12 officials at Kahrizak prison were charged – three of them with murder. The prison, on the southern outskirts of the capital, Tehran, was at the centre of the opposition's claims that prisoners were tortured and raped in custody.
Notice that unlike in the US Britain or Israel there are going to be trials.
It's one thing to seek change in the Government in ones own country, it's something else when you attempt to organize riots. The latter could see a treason charge.
 

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Iran invades Iraq?

From the link:

''Iran denied the incursion''

Where are the satellite photos? Track marks? Casualties? Why did they leave so suddenly if they were unopposed?

Or was it all a social call??
 

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See post #376
Looks like another BS stunt to garner hate points against Iran by the US. I think I am more disgusted by people who buy into this crap and will probably cheer when the US finally bombs the crap out of Iran.
I really think humanity is ready for a major ethnic cleansing. Where are the alliens when ya need um?
 

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Looks like another BS stunt to garner hate points against Iran by the US. I think I am more disgusted by people who buy into this crap and will probably cheer when the US finally bombs the crap out of Iran.
I really think humanity is ready for a major ethnic cleansing. Where are the alliens when ya need um?


This was posted the day before the NY paper came out with it,

Iran invades 'Iraqi' territory to seize oil field - Telegraph
 

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Nuts on this site have been saying for years that Iran is about to get invaded and it's starting to become obvious they are full of crap.

What a complete shock that is.
 

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This was posted the day before the NY paper came out with it,

Iran invades 'Iraqi' territory to seize oil field - Telegraph

Best get those border disputes settled before auctioning Iranian territory off to the oil cartels.

I was almost buying into this until the last 4 paragraphs turned into nothing but propaganda over the two power plants. Almost calls for the other side of the coin to be shown now that everybody has a big woody over the prospects of war getting even closer. lol what a bunch clowns some of the people on this thread are. Names to follow so you aren't alone.
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Iraq denies Iranian oilfield incursion

Posted Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:38am AEDT
A senior Iraqi official has denied reports that Iranian troops had crossed into Iraqi territory and briefly occupied a remote oilfield area.
Security sources in southeastern Maysan province, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Iranian troops made their way onto the Fakka oilfield area, on the Iraqi side of the border, then withdrew after several hours.
Iraq's deputy interior minister, Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji, says no incursion took place.
"This news in not true. This field is disputed and now it is neglected by both sides," he said.
"There was no storming of the field. It's empty. It's abandoned. It is exactly on the border between Iraq and Iran."
According to Arabic-language television reports, Iranian troops entered the Iraqi field and raised an Iranian flag."
Iraq denies Iranian oilfield incursion - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Now the US will have to show that even Iraq is being forced to lie for the Iranians. lol

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Of course you will say the US is to blame - drag some crap up from the days of the Shah and SAVAK -[/font]
Just how much did the US Gov pay those American hostages for the extra 70 some days that they remained captive just so Reagan's inauguration would seem to be equal to God coming into power. lol The video link below seems to be a good place to start, there are some maps of countries that flash onto the screen, Iran 1953 is #2. In all those instances the main topic was the overthrow of the existing Government by subversive means does not eliminate it from being an act of war. I will country by country and you post a few links of paragraphs on how that improved their country in any fashion.
Just an off-the-cuff question, if the cobalt imported from Africa was in much larger quantities would the kids have to dig harder and faster or would they be given bome steel tools and have a nice place top goto at the end of the day? I think it is quite possible that the kids would get next to nothing and the same ones getting the money today would be getting a lot more money just for themselves.
Much more to follow, my little gift to you that will last for all of next years.

Coverup - behind the iran-contra affair (1988)

Convince me that the US does not operate in much the same mannor, even more blatantly. They blatantly offered India 'relaxed' inspections on nuclear facilities in/only if they voted to support a US demand for sanctions against Iran for deeds not yet committed.

Looks like another BS stunt to garner hate points against Iran by the US. I think I am more disgusted by people who buy into this crap and will probably cheer when the US finally bombs the crap out of Iran.
I really think humanity is ready for a major ethnic cleansing. Where are the alliens when ya need um?
Europe has been trying that form existence for the last 2,000 years, obviously still need some work. North America was cleansed of the 'people in the way of progress' were offered a hand in friendship where no real intent to be true friends existed. Of all the agreements signed to one was honored by the invaders. What will be denied the councils on human rights (and how to improve those rights) from North America will be a willing disclosure on all the 'intentionally dirty tricks' used. A version of those same tactics is still in use today. Try admitting that in front of the whole UN and see how many hands come up in your support next time you want to clean up another foreign land using your tried and true methods.

You might even be more twisted than those that cheer for one side or the other, you would seem to be quite contend if words stopped and the dieing began, no big deal for your really. Your involvement would be a beer, a chair and some sort of electronic monitor.
 

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Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes Enough farting around on this Nuke crap regarding Iran - Nukes are a fact of life - Please name any Arab or Persian or Muslim - Hindu country that you would find it acceptable to have Nuke Weapons -
We have had different and dissenting views on the NPT - The IAEA etc - Answer the question
Get down to the straight skinny.

I voted 'no' in this thread. However, I must still say that for the US to be telling Iran not to have nukes is like the pot calling the kettle black.

So are you proposing that Canada adopt and announce an official policy saying that Canada shall stand against any Arab, Persian, or Muslim country that has nukes but permits all other countries to have them?
 

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Now that Iran is starting to use the courts that are available to them it might be interesting to see how the rest of their petition goes. This one is to set the lower time-limit on abuses. The US will claim that those things were done because there happened to be a war on. Iran will evn let then 'win' that one because those same acts were the norm for the 25 years that the US followed the coup lead by the US and kept in power by the US using the same methods that are acceptable only in a time of war.

"Iran's president says he will soon write to the UN Secretary-General asking for his country to be compensated for World War II damages.

"We will seek compensation for World War II damages. I have assigned a team to calculate the costs," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at a Friday press conference in the Danish capital.

"I will write a letter to the UN Secretary-General [Ban Ki-moon] asking for Iran to be compensated for the damages," he added, pointing out that such a move was necessary to ensure that justice was served.

Ahmadinejad told the reporters the countries that won the Second World War had inflicted a lot of damage on Iran by invading the country and using its resources.

The president added that while the former Soviet Union, the United States and Britain received compensation after the conflict, Iran had been given nothing to make up for the suffering its people had endured.

"During this period, the Iranian people were subjected to a great deal of pressure and the country suffered a great deal of damages but Iran was not paid any compensation," Ahmadinejad explained.

At the start of World War II, Iran declared its neutrality, but the country was soon invaded by both Britain and the Soviet Union on August 26, 1941 in Operation Countenance.

Iran's refusal to give into Allied demands and expel all German nationals from the country was the excuse they needed to occupy the country. Within months of the invasion Iran became known as "The Bridge of Victory" to the Allies.

When invading the Soviet Union in 1941, the Allies urgently needed to transport war materiel across Iran to the Soviet Union.

The effects of the war, however, were very catastrophic for Iran. Food and other essential items were scarce and severe inflation imposed great hardship on the lower and middle classes as the needs of foreign troops were prioritized.

"Not only was Iran deprived of any compensation for World War II, but 10 years later, the Americans even went as far as arranging a coup to reverse a popular uprising that had led to the nationalization of oil," said Ahmadinejad.

In 1953, Washington orchestrated a coup against the popular and democratically-elected Iranian prime minister of the time, Mohammad Mosaddeq, whose efforts led to the nationalization of the country's oil industry.

Almost half a century later, former US secretary of state Madeleine Albright acknowledged the pivotal role that the US played in the coup, coming closer than any other American diplomat to apologizing for the intervention.

"The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons... But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America," she said in March 2000.

Ahmadinejad, who had travelled to Copenhagen to take part in the Climate Change Summit, returned to Iran on Saturday morning."

Ahmadinejad to seek UN compensation for WWII

A rather civilized move wouldn't you agree? lol
 

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Don't you mean when will it be Lebanon's turn?


How is that 'common knowledge' gathered if Iran is such a closed country? You use those terms as if the Us, Britain, Israel, etc don't use those same tactics and a much more frequent and 'hidden' way. You are quite liberal to denounce deaths that come from beatings while in custody if it concerns Iran, you mouth is firmly zipped tight when it comes to condemning torture and deaths that happen in places run by the US or Israel.


So bringing up US abuses is crap but when Iran is running the prison it's headline news.


I doubt they were anymore scared than the US gov was when students were opposing the Viet Nam war.
(from wiki)
"The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent-State massacre,[2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]"


Notice that unlike in the US Britain or Israel there are going to be trials.
It's one thing to seek change in the Government in ones own country, it's something else when you attempt to organize riots. The latter could see a treason charge.


MHZ

Your audacity defies reason - Riots and demonstrations are quite different - for you to call demonstrations that were peaceful and name them riots is beyond audacious - it clearly demonstrates - pun intended that nothing the Iranian Regime of Religious Thugs is beyond the pale -

Clearly their is no way to reason this with you - the same can be said of negotiating with Iran - As to the fear they have - look to 79 for a clear example of the power of the youth in Iran - Only a fool such as yourself would see the elections as valid -

When you lie to yourself you are lying to a fool.
 

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I don't believe anybody should have them but as long as the US insists it have them, I think everybody should have them to protect themselves from US aggression.

I agree that the US is certainly not leading by example here, but do you honestly think that having more countries armed with nukes will speed up denuclearization on the part of the US?

If other countries nuclearize, then they're following the US', China's, France's, the UK's, Russia's, Pakistan's and India's lead. If they don't nuclearize, then they are following their own conscience. I'd rather they follow their own conscience and not follow the bad example of other countries. besides, if everyone nuclearizes, then whose lead will the US follow in denuclearization?
 

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I voted 'no' in this thread. However, I must still say that for the US to be telling Iran not to have nukes is like the pot calling the kettle black.

So are you proposing that Canada adopt and announce an official policy saying that Canada shall stand against any Arab, Persian, or Muslim country that has nukes but permits all other countries to have them?

MahjoThey signed the NPT - Read the link on the 3 pillars

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The third pillar allows for and agrees upon the transfer of nuclear technology and materials to NPT signatory countries for the development of civilian nuclear energy programs in those countries, as long as they can demonstrate that their nuclear programs are not being used for the development of nuclear weapons.



Since very few of the states with nuclear energy programs are willing to abandon the use of nuclear energy, the third pillar of the NPT under Article IV provides other states with the possibility to do the same, but under conditions intended to make it difficult to develop nuclear weapons.The treaty recognizes the inalienable right of sovereign states to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, but restricts this right for NPT parties to be exercised "in conformity with Articles I and II" (the basic nonproliferation obligations that constitute the "first pillar" of the Treaty). As the commercially popular light water reactor nuclear power station uses enriched uranium fuel, it follows that states must be able either to enrich uranium or purchase it on an international market. Mohamed ElBaradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, has called the spread of enrichment and reprocessing capabilities the "Achilles' heel" of the nuclear nonproliferation regime.
 

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REALITY CHECK!!!

Cliffy! Fer cryin' out loud, give your head a shake!

There are two major differences between Israel and Iran that make it a very good thing that Israel have nukes and Iran does not......

1. Israel is a secular society

Are you familiar with Israel's religious laws, with regards not only to immigration, but conversion even among native-born Israelis, etc.?
 

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As to the fear they have - look to 79 for a clear example of the power of the youth in Iran - Only a fool such as yourself would see the elections as valid -
Do you mean compared to the elections in Saudi Arabia?
How unfortunate that all those hostages died, what not a single one died, not a single one even showed signs of torture. How very unlike the US of them.

That nationalizing things (for the people not for big biz) certainly seems to be a thing the US just doesn't like in any way, shape, or form.

You should be aware that if the US even handed anybody in Iran any money for even the littlest thing and it touched on the politics of Iran that it is an act of war. Not only could the Iranian be killed as an enemy to the state but the money-changer could be killed because of being out of uniform while committing an act only a solider could perform.
 
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Do you mean compared to the elections in Saudi Arabia?
How unfortunate that all those hostages died, what not a single one died, not a single one even showed signs of torture. How very unlike the US of them.

That nationalizing things (for the people not for big biz) certainly seems to be a thing the US just doesn't like in any way, shape, or form.

You should be aware that if the US even handed anybody in Iran any money for even the littlest thing and it touched on the politics of Iran that it is an act of war. Not only could the Iranian be killed as an enemy to the state but the money-changer could be killed because of being out of uniform while committing an act only a solider could perform.
MHZ

Again as I mentioned before - lying to yourself is lying to a fool - Tens of thousands demonstrated peacefully - Many leaders from previous Iranian Govts - religious and political took part in this -
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oday 1 respected Ayatollah who was against the Govt since about 97 died today - The rot is spreading - the Govt used violence and fraud to elect a fraud - I see you overlook that little thing - to you it is all US and Israel -

Little better than einmensch - he just focuses on Jews mostly - you 2 would be great fun at a funereal. Oh yes i forgot to include Danicing Lonney Tunes - the 3 dumbasses

And Iran is such a paragon of virtue - Human and Civil Rights are right at the bottom of the list

Murdering and the persecution of religious minorities - Do you see that in the US or Israel

Iran has been on a steady plan to acquire nuclear weapons and that is a direct contravention of the NPT -
 

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Again as I mentioned before - lying to yourself is lying to a fool - Tens of thousands demonstrated peacefully - Many leaders from previous Iranian Govts - religious and political took part in this -
Something the losing candidates in the US haven't the balls to do.

YouTube - CIA, Iran and the Election Riots - June 14, 2009

That is better coverage than any protest that happens in the US Britain or Israel.

The rot is spreading - the Govt used violence and fraud to elect a fraud - I see you overlook that little thing - to you it is all US and Israel -
The part I refuse to overlook is that the US, Britain, and Israel all are habitual liars.


And Iran is such a paragon of virtue - Human and Civil Rights are right at the bottom of the list
Murdering and the persecution of religious minorities - Do you see that in the US or Israel
A new low for you, less than a year after operation 'cast lead' in which 1400 citizens of Gaza were mowed down from the sky, again, for the record, let me read your reason(s) for total support..
Gaza is even outside the current borders of the land Israel is currently claiming/occupying. Have to wait and see how the courts rule. Seems to me once the actual trials started they went pretty fast from guilty to execution of sentence.
Do you have the numbers for civilian deaths in Iran and Iraq for the last year?
Might have to add one more country before Iran comes up for 'liberation', another former Allie bites the dust. The miracle will be is that it will be own fault they are being taken over.

Iran has been on a steady plan to acquire nuclear weapons and that is a direct contravention of the NPT -
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Nuclear program of Iran

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Nuclear program of Iran

This article is about Iran's nuclear power program and related nuclear fuel cycle and R&D activities. For information about allegations of Iran developing nuclear weapons, see Iran and weapons of mass destruction.
The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]
After the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the Iranian government temporarily disbanded elements of the program, and then revived it with less Western assistance than during the pre-revolution era. Iran's nuclear program has included several research sites, a uranium mine, a nuclear reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include three known uranium enrichment plants.
Iran's first nuclear power plant, Bushehr I, is expected to be operational in 2009.[3] There are no current plans to complete the Bushehr II reactor, although the construction of 19 nuclear power plants is envisaged.[4] Iran has announced that it is working on a new 360 MWe nuclear power plant to be located in Darkhovin. Iran has also indicated that it will seek more medium-sized nuclear power plants and uranium mines for the future.[5]
 

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Something the losing candidates in the US haven't the balls to do.

YouTube - CIA, Iran and the Election Riots - June 14, 2009

That is better coverage than any protest that happens in the US Britain or Israel.


The part I refuse to overlook is that the US, Britain, and Israel all are habitual liars.



A new low for you, less than a year after operation 'cast lead' in which 1400 citizens of Gaza were mowed down from the sky, again, for the record, let me read your reason(s) for total support..
Gaza is even outside the current borders of the land Israel is currently claiming/occupying. Have to wait and see how the courts rule. Seems to me once the actual trials started they went pretty fast from guilty to execution of sentence.
Do you have the numbers for civilian deaths in Iran and Iraq for the last year?
Might have to add one more country before Iran comes up for 'liberation', another former Allie bites the dust. The miracle will be is that it will be own fault they are being taken over.


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Nuclear program of Iran

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Nuclear program of Iran

This article is about Iran's nuclear power program and related nuclear fuel cycle and R&D activities. For information about allegations of Iran developing nuclear weapons, see Iran and weapons of mass destruction.
The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]
After the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the Iranian government temporarily disbanded elements of the program, and then revived it with less Western assistance than during the pre-revolution era. Iran's nuclear program has included several research sites, a uranium mine, a nuclear reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include three known uranium enrichment plants.
Iran's first nuclear power plant, Bushehr I, is expected to be operational in 2009.[3] There are no current plans to complete the Bushehr II reactor, although the construction of 19 nuclear power plants is envisaged.[4] Iran has announced that it is working on a new 360 MWe nuclear power plant to be located in Darkhovin. Iran has also indicated that it will seek more medium-sized nuclear power plants and uranium mines for the future.[5]
MHZ
When you state that I have reached a new low I consider that to be a compliment

Do you really believe that all the demonstrations are because of a covert - and how the hell it is covert when anyone with a smick of intelligence - Yes I include you as you do have a smick - knows about it

Now Iran has demonstrated that they will continue on the path to Nukes and let no one get in the way of as you would say a legitimate Govt - Who has reached a low - Not I my man Not I.
 

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The demonstrations were held because the Gov gave them permission to do so. At least the last two US elections were rigged, as was Regan's and nobody is protesting at all. The part that really makes a person want to vomit is the 'surprise' it causes yet no action is taken other than 'hope the next elections' will be fair. Saying, we were lied to (again) might not be the sort of thing countries under invasion were waiting to see. Inaction to stop a crime in progress can lead to charges of being accomplices of the crime. Say responsible for some very large fines handed out by a ruling court.

A new low might not have been the correct term, perhaps a new height for you would be more appropriate.