Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes
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DBHitler is the father of Israel
Only if you belive Isreal as a nation never existed - Now we know it existed - Damm there goes that idea down the Rabbit Hole.
There were all kinds of countries swallowed up, Austria, for one, and some other
immediate neighbours, it wasn't until they attacked Poland an ally of France and
Britain that action was taken. The take over of Hungary, Romania, Greece and the
others came after war was declared. There is always an action that prompts the
reaction, in this case, the other countries were of no importance to the major powers
until they struck a nerve in attacking Poland. In the Middle East, Iraq attacked a tiny
neighbour, it was until sometime later that the Americans, British, Canadians and
some ot the Arab States attacked Iraq the first time. As for Iran having weapons of
real power, well Israel has them. As for an arms race, that will happen anyway as
the west pulls out of Iraq and Afghanistan. People don't even think about what that
might look like. The Muslims come down to two competing groups Sunni, or Arab
Muslims and Shia, or Persian Muslims. such as Iran. When the Shia take over Iraq
it won't be long before there is a huge civil war between the two major groups
that will spill over international boarders like you wouldn't believe in my opinion.
The Middle East will soon see a huge arms race and whether its bad or good makes
no difference, its simply reality for the near future.
immediate neighbours, it wasn't until they attacked Poland an ally of France and
Britain that action was taken. The take over of Hungary, Romania, Greece and the
others came after war was declared. There is always an action that prompts the
reaction, in this case, the other countries were of no importance to the major powers
until they struck a nerve in attacking Poland. In the Middle East, Iraq attacked a tiny
neighbour, it was until sometime later that the Americans, British, Canadians and
some ot the Arab States attacked Iraq the first time. As for Iran having weapons of
real power, well Israel has them. As for an arms race, that will happen anyway as
the west pulls out of Iraq and Afghanistan. People don't even think about what that
might look like. The Muslims come down to two competing groups Sunni, or Arab
Muslims and Shia, or Persian Muslims. such as Iran. When the Shia take over Iraq
it won't be long before there is a huge civil war between the two major groups
that will spill over international boarders like you wouldn't believe in my opinion.
The Middle East will soon see a huge arms race and whether its bad or good makes
no difference, its simply reality for the near future.
Quoting damngrumpy
As I said once the Nazi's crossed international boundaries the world took action, untilthen it was not proper for the world to interfere in the internal affairs of anothercountry. Lets look at what else was going on,
Well the Nazi's crossed border - Czechoslovakia, Austria, 1936 - Rhineland - Glad you realized that as it was conveniently ignored by you in your 2 posts - Next - Iran with nukes - Numerous UN resolutions against Iran - They signed the NPT and the addiditional protcols - and from what I understand 3 of the UN Resolutions do authorize the use of force. Iran with Nukes - Is that a positive or a negative for some sort of peace in the Mid East?
In a manner of speaking Hitler was the father of Israel, because the tragedy of the
death camps is what finally united the Jewish people, and in that respect you may
well be correct. For those who would seek to go into every country where there is
trouble should know the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions is
alive and well. The problem we face with Iran is that many of our Allies and
friends have sold Iran all the things it needs. And other nations starting to worry
are nations that protected the present regime in its early years and now they see
an emerging problem. Ain't the world of arms dealership a joy? The problems
in the Middle East are primarily our problems because we created them.
I don't particularly like Iran I do think they are a problem and a threat but we can't
go around the world preaching democracy and peace and then start attacking
people because we don't like them.
death camps is what finally united the Jewish people, and in that respect you may
well be correct. For those who would seek to go into every country where there is
trouble should know the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions is
alive and well. The problem we face with Iran is that many of our Allies and
friends have sold Iran all the things it needs. And other nations starting to worry
are nations that protected the present regime in its early years and now they see
an emerging problem. Ain't the world of arms dealership a joy? The problems
in the Middle East are primarily our problems because we created them.
I don't particularly like Iran I do think they are a problem and a threat but we can't
go around the world preaching democracy and peace and then start attacking
people because we don't like them.
Strange the US hasn't been ordered to pay for those anti-semitic crimes ..... never mind the $50 or so billion in 'aid' and 100% loyality in political support is probably keeping up with the interest payments.
You are aware the mid-east is supposed to be free of those weapons. I would think Israel should be opening up their doors for intensive international inspections. Show all their neighbors how civilized they are. So far I doubt there has even been one inspector on their soil. Easy enough to find a link that has them flat-out rejecting any inspector ever coming onto their lands .... yet .... they want the power to send those inspectors where they want, not once or twice, and endless number of times.
The US didn't come in till late in the war, one of their roles before that was smuggling weapons over to Britain.
"Although thousands of Jews had been admitted into the United States under the combined German-Austrian quota from 1938-1941, the U.S. did not pursue an organized and specific rescue policy for Jewish victims of Nazi Germany until early 1944." United States Policy Toward Jewish Refugees, 1941-1952
There is no archeological or written evidence whatever to support the myth of an ancient Israel.
Historically you might want to go back to the 1880' when Lord Rothschild actively started a campaign aimed at giving that land to the Jews as a homeland. The Balfour Declaration was before 1920. Hitler was the last stroke in a long campaign.
The US used military persuasion to install their own Shaw in Iran and they kept him in power for 25 years. Today that would be considered a military occupation and just as illegal. Iran has every right to not do business with the US or her Allies just on that point alone. That dos not mean she does not have the right to persue whatever modern technologies that are available from other sourses without interferrence from an recent invaders. (since that was ofter WWII the US could have even been committing war crimes if their CIA (flooded with Nazi SS officers smuggled out of Germany at the end of the war) were the ones training their new secret police who came usually in the dark of night, just like the SS. Goober you really hit the nail on the head by putting those two in the same sentence. At least the cat is out on why the US is such a pussy when it comes to Israel.
You mean like the west is engaged with China now, right????
EXACTLY the same thing.....except the Nazis weren't murdering people by the millions yet, only a clarvoyent could have forseen where that was going....the Chinese have already butchered tens of millions.......
This stuff is silly, what Bush's grandfather did before 1937 in business with Germany was only questionable in the most abstract sense........ and between 1937 and December 1941 Germany and the USA were NOT at war.........
So what, exactly, is the BIG revelation?????
GM opening a few plants there while closing ones over here via bankruptcy declared just after a multi-billion dollar injection from the American taxpayer, is that the sort of activity you were referencing.
Invading countries is fine and the fact that they call civilians killed by a war machine 'collateral damage' pretty much says how much they care about how many civilians get killed. Dresden and the cities in Japan that were obliterated also shows they care nothing about civilians. How many weddings have they bombed in just the last few years?
Clarvoyent,, get real, Germany was within 20 years of the end of WWI, they were in financial ruin at the end of the war and then they were handed some very big bills, one of which was to the 'Banks' that had loaned money out to both sides. I would think their financial records were pretty closely monitored. They had a fairly decent military force before the beginning of hostilities, are you claiming the bankers didn't have a clue as to where the money actually went?
You should help this site sum it up so nicely, currently they have a much longer article than yours. Filled with those pesky things called 'details'. like just below.
(in part)
Loyal Defenders
The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled “Annals of Bush-Hating.” It begins mockingly: “Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush – indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president’s Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?” York goes on to discredit the “Bush is a moron” IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.
The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine’s Cathy Young in which she referred to “Bush-o-phobes on the Internet” who “repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family’s alleged Nazi connections.”
Poles Tackle the Topic
Newsweek Polska, the magazine’s Polish edition, published a short piece on the “Bush Nazi past” in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that “the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp,” according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (Scoop - New Zealand News). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.
Still Not Interested
Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.
Aftermath
After the seizures of the various businesses they oversaw with Cornelis Lievense and his German partners, the U.S. government quietly settled with Bush, Harriman and others after the war. Bush and Harriman each received $1.5 million in cash as compensation for their seized business assets.
In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.
John Buchanan is a journalist and investigative reporter with 33 years of experience in New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in more than 50 newspapers, magazines and books. He can be reached by e-mail at: jtwg@bellsouth.net.
The New Hampshire Gazette » Bush/Nazi Link Confirmed
(in part)
Bush/Nazi Link Continued
By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette
Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen “enemy national” relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush’s partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
The New Hampshire Gazette » Bush/Nazi Link Continued
The revelation could be the attachment of monetary figures and your unsupported contention that the dealing ended when you 'hint' that they were. Hint in that you provide no proof via documents. You forgot to mention that many dealings didn't get shut down until the war was over, even then not all things were ended.
(in part)
The records also show that Bush and the Harrimans conducted business after the war with related concerns doing business in or moving assets into Switzerland, Panama, Argentina and Brazil – all critical outposts for the flight of Nazi capital after Germany’s surrender in 1945. Fritz Thyssen died in Argentina in 1951.
One of the final seizures, in October 1950, concerned the U.S. assets of a Nazi baroness named Theresia Maria Ida Beneditka Huberta Stanislava Martina von Schwarzenberg, who also used two shorter aliases. Brown Brothers Harriman, where Prescott Bush and the Harrimans were partners, attempted to convince government investigators that the baroness had been a victim of Nazi persecution and therefore should be allowed to maintain her assets.
“It appears, rather, that the subject was a member of the Nazi party,” government investigators concluded.
At the same time the last Brown Brothers Harriman client assets were seized, Prescott Bush announced his Senate campaign that led to his election in 1952.
Make a list of countries attacked or occupied by Germany prior to 1935. Must the world wait until people actually die before reacting, hasen't history taught you anything. If they were not such an open threat to Israel and the stability in the Mid-East, Israel would not be planning anything.
That was the same reasoning used in the 6-day war. Practice bombing Egypt's runways, once that is perfected bomb the actual runways before any hostile moves on Egypt's part and then claim it was in self-defense. The 3 wars going on involve Israel and the US against Gaza Afghanistan and Iraq, you might want to consider them as being the biggest threats to stability in the region. At least Iran has 25 years of being under US pressure so they know what deceptions to expect. Iran won't be invading anybody, it's a lot easier to be a defender, both in terms of cost in material and people.
This is idiotic.
In 1967 Egypt had mobilized her military, was crowing about the impending doom of Israel, and was calling on her allies to join the coming glorious slaughter of Jews........and then booted out the UN peacekeepers that were the only thing between Egypt and Israel.
Look at a map someday.......Israel is not very big....pre-emptive strike was her only sane option.......indeed, read some history. Take a look at the Yom Kippur War, which was also telegraphed by her enemies, but Israel choose not to pre-empt because of world opinion......and took heavy losses, almost losing the fight.
There is nothing wrong with practicing bombing targets that you think will help you win a up coming war. Egypt and Syria were planning a coordinated attack against Israel. If they had attacked first Israel would not be Israel today. Israel knew what was going to happen and acted first. To quote Colpy "Take a look at the Yom Kippur War, which was also telegraphed by her enemies, but Israel choose not to preempt because of world opinion......and took heavy losses, almost losing the fight."
It is not easier to be a defender, you will take to many loses. No one has ever won anything without good intelligence and a slamming offense.
Without permanent enemies, war, and anti-semitism Colpy Israel and the Holocaust industry cease to exist, it is an entity build and sustained on murder, destruction and hate. The origin and engine is the Zionist cult.
Come on, Goober!
You know the truth!
All recorded human history is a construct of capitalist bankers intent only on perverting the truth as set out by Comrade Stalin in those glorious days of the purges!
There was no such thing as Israel! Those Romans were simply fools, stoges of the right!
There is no such thing as Jews! Simply bankers in disguise, sacrificing babies and forever perpetuating the Holocaust fantasy in the building of their psuedo nation which will soon rule the world! As fore-told in the Protocols!
Rise up now, tortured, deceived masses!
You have nothing to lose but your sanity!
sarcasm alert