Don't say 'obese'... you might upset fat people
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Pretty much, but that also depends on which family member you ask.. About being tall that is
If I were the weight I'm "supposed" to be at 5'4", I'd look anorexic for sure.
The big thing, besides the BMI, is that doctors don't take into account genetics or body type. My family has genetically wide hips, for example, which seriously attracts a lot of weight settlement. I've got cousins who might have a great looking torso, but then the hips offset everything. Some of it might be lifestyle, but not all of it. Childbirth doesn't help either.
There's a ton of factors, IMO, that lead to a person having weight gain outside even that. Medical issues play a huge factor; I'm diabetic for example, and diabetics have a chance for depression, which adds onto the weight issue as well as diabetes control. Add to that a thyroid problem and I was already struggling when I became a teen. So for me, a lot of my own weight issues is due to medical issues as well as mental. Yes I'm working on it but for a long time I just didn't care, because I wasn't in the place to care.
And having people call people "fatfuk", "fattie" or even just plain "fat" doesn't help either. I'm sure most overweight people know they're overweight. Iit's not all one thing that makes a person overweight, and as mentioned it's not as easy as "putting down the food and getting off the couch".
The big thing, besides the BMI, is that doctors don't take into account genetics or body type. My family has genetically wide hips, for example, which seriously attracts a lot of weight settlement. I've got cousins who might have a great looking torso, but then the hips offset everything. Some of it might be lifestyle, but not all of it. Childbirth doesn't help either.
There's a ton of factors, IMO, that lead to a person having weight gain outside even that. Medical issues play a huge factor; I'm diabetic for example, and diabetics have a chance for depression, which adds onto the weight issue as well as diabetes control. Add to that a thyroid problem and I was already struggling when I became a teen. So for me, a lot of my own weight issues is due to medical issues as well as mental. Yes I'm working on it but for a long time I just didn't care, because I wasn't in the place to care.
And having people call people "fatfuk", "fattie" or even just plain "fat" doesn't help either. I'm sure most overweight people know they're overweight. Iit's not all one thing that makes a person overweight, and as mentioned it's not as easy as "putting down the food and getting off the couch".
The old charts just don't work. Much has to do with bone structure and much has to do with muscle, both of which weigh much less than fat. According to the old charts I'm supposed to be 154 lbs. at 5'8"..............at that weight I'd look like a friggin' scare crow!
I can understand this from a personal standpoint if you don't want to be a complete arsehole. I personally don't think obesity is an incorrect term as much as people really get depressed over hearing about it.
It's okay, though. We're all going to P90X blast our abs into oblivion anyway.
It's okay, though. We're all going to P90X blast our abs into oblivion anyway.
It's a fair point even though we came down on opposite sides of the discussion. But, the key difference I see is that one is attempting to enact change on the individual level, and one is trying to create governmental accountability. I don't think they're directly comparable, but, since these tend to turn into highjacks in threads, I'll leave it at that and let you have whatever last word you need on the subject.
Perhaps we have so many fat people because we are some of the biggest pigs at the food trough.
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Is that any more credible than another woman way back in history who claimed she wasn't fat because she took in too much?
That would explain why you are green behind the ears. Artificial sweeteners made out of termite ****, we really deserve what we get when we let things like that get into our food supply.
I hear that. I had a Dr's appointment and at 5'10" I weighed 160. He told me to lose weight. I was stunned. I asked him where was I supposed to lose it. He said just lose 5 lbs. Joking I told him I'll skip lunch.
So at any rate I did the P90X workout and got down to 153 lbs. I had an appointment and he said it was great. Meanwhile I had almost no body fat and I looked absolutely emaciated. My eyes were sunken, cheeks drawn, my azz was gone. A female colleague and friend stepped up and said...
"You need to eat. You did P90X...great! But your eyes are sunken..etc.... People around here think you are sick and one asked if you have cancer."
I took it to heart... and had a Quarter Pounder! Whoop!
So I agree. It is out of whack. However, when I weighed that little my BP was perfect, cholesterol was great and that I believe is what the Doctors look at. Not the physical appearance but what the added weight does to your health.
It's okay, though. We're all going to P90X blast our abs into oblivion anyway.
Thats right MF!
Just hit play and BRING IT!
Obesity is a medical term which describes a condition where excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have an adverse effect on health, leading to reduced life expectancy and/or increased health problems.
One definition of "fat" is a layman's term for obesity.
The terms fat or thin should be no more derogatory than tall or short, having brown hair or blonde hair. They are just descriptions which should be neutral regarding desirability. Yet we are brainwashed into believing some body types are more desirable than others. Desirability is a personal preference, not a universal standard.
Perceived desirability is influenced by cultural and personal tastes. Many cultures and individuals find obesity attractive or desirable. Obesity can be perceived as a sign of wealth and affluence. However in western culture, we've become obsessed with being thin... in the case of super models, the current standard is near anorexic and unhealthy IMO. Personally, I find the body shape of most super models unattractive. They are too thin according to my personal tastes. I find women with a curvy solid athletic build desirable like these women athletes:
To me, the above women have a far more desirable body shape than any super model. They are fit and healthy. A women wearing khakis and hiking boots is far more attractive to me than a women wearing a ridiculously uncomfortable dress, nails, makeup and stilettos.
I don't expect other people to share my personal tastes, nor do I expect people to meet my personal perception of attractiveness. People who are comfortable with their bodies are more attractive to me than people who aren't. Personality and character are more important compatibility requirements for me than appearances.
For the record, I am 5'8" and about 190lbs. I'm overweight, but in decent physical condition. I have been as heavy as 210. I would describe myself at 210 as obese. I'd like to be 170 lbs, not to meet someone's expectations, but to meet my own expectation regarding health and fitness. I'm not about to get bent out of shape if someone describes me as fat or obese, because I don't have body image problems like some people here obviously do. I'm just grateful I am still healthy.
One definition of "fat" is a layman's term for obesity.
The terms fat or thin should be no more derogatory than tall or short, having brown hair or blonde hair. They are just descriptions which should be neutral regarding desirability. Yet we are brainwashed into believing some body types are more desirable than others. Desirability is a personal preference, not a universal standard.
Perceived desirability is influenced by cultural and personal tastes. Many cultures and individuals find obesity attractive or desirable. Obesity can be perceived as a sign of wealth and affluence. However in western culture, we've become obsessed with being thin... in the case of super models, the current standard is near anorexic and unhealthy IMO. Personally, I find the body shape of most super models unattractive. They are too thin according to my personal tastes. I find women with a curvy solid athletic build desirable like these women athletes:
To me, the above women have a far more desirable body shape than any super model. They are fit and healthy. A women wearing khakis and hiking boots is far more attractive to me than a women wearing a ridiculously uncomfortable dress, nails, makeup and stilettos.
I don't expect other people to share my personal tastes, nor do I expect people to meet my personal perception of attractiveness. People who are comfortable with their bodies are more attractive to me than people who aren't. Personality and character are more important compatibility requirements for me than appearances.
For the record, I am 5'8" and about 190lbs. I'm overweight, but in decent physical condition. I have been as heavy as 210. I would describe myself at 210 as obese. I'd like to be 170 lbs, not to meet someone's expectations, but to meet my own expectation regarding health and fitness. I'm not about to get bent out of shape if someone describes me as fat or obese, because I don't have body image problems like some people here obviously do. I'm just grateful I am still healthy.
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The way I judge obesity is by seating on the subways in Toronto. If I am sitting in my seat and a person sits next to me, with their fat spilling on to me, they're obese.