Does it make a difference who the next Pedophile Protecting Pope will be?

[CDNBear]

Now here's where my jaded nature regarding figure heads shows.

When you have any large institution, very rarely is the person 'in charge of it', the one who is actually calling the shots and running the show on a daily basis. Especially when it's an institution whose figurehead is meant to be infallible. In order to maintain that image, you give the dirty work to other people. And when electing a pope, I'm sure who's been involved in what dirty dealings, factors in to the selection.

Yes, jaded, but there it is.

I'm not talking about "The buck stops here" theory, I'm talking about the fact that he headed Pope John Paul II's turd polishing cover up squad.

I'm not sure when the very last offending residential school was closed or even what percentage of residential schools were guilty, but by and large the bulk of the problem was over by the 1980s, so if the Pope were to be blamed it should one or two or three popes back.

Although still an issue, that's not the basis of my considerations.

The abuse as a whole, that has been covered up, ignored, swept under the rug or what not, by the Church for decades. And those guilty thereof and guilty of aiding or abetting.

 

[karrie]

I'm not talking about "The buck stops here" theory, I'm talking about the fact that he headed Pope John Paul II's turd polishing cover up squad.

If there's a direct path, if it can be investigated, I say give'er. So far though, I see mostly 'he's the head honcho' as the argument and 'proof' that he was involved in anything

 

[CDNBear]

If there's a direct path, if it can be investigated, I say give'er. So far though, I see mostly 'he's the head honcho' as the argument and 'proof' that he was involved in anything

I'm not basing my position on that.

And I'm not calling for him to hang, I'm suggesting that he needs to be part of, or the focus of, an investigation into the Vatican's actions regarding abuse.

 

[Goober]

If there's a direct path, if it can be investigated, I say give'er. So far though, I see mostly 'he's the head honcho' as the argument and 'proof' that he was involved in anything

And as such he had the opportunity to address this. He failed. We have only heard of abuse in Europe and North America. Does anyone think that it only occurs on these 2 continents.

 

[Spade]

Perhaps his resignation declares, "Domine, non sum dignus."

 

[CDNBear]

Perhaps his resignation declares, "Domine, non sum dignus."

How apropos.


Now a little light reading...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...words/2010/03/the_great_catholic_coverup.html

 

[JLM]

If there's a direct path, if it can be investigated, I say give'er. So far though, I see mostly 'he's the head honcho' as the argument and 'proof' that he was involved in anything

Well, that's just it- one has to be realistic, if more investigation is needed, which I wouldn't argue with, it has to start in the community involved.

 

[CDNBear]

Well, that's just it- one has to be realistic, if more investigation is needed, which I wouldn't argue with, it has to start in the community involved.

I agree.

And since the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" which for all intents and purposes covered up and hindered prosecution of criminals in the Church, is based in the Vatican, oh wait, diplomatic immunity.

 

[darkbeaver]

The Catholic church became a bank hundreds of years ago. This problem with the children is in front of the real problem and the black robed arms are being twisted by our alien masters. The anti-christ has already ruled that church for a thousand years being the best place to hide and maintain hell efficiently.

 

[taxslave]

Rather inadvertently disingenuous my friend.

That is like saying that all those you mention do not care if a good man gets in and pedophile victims get justice.

I think they do care because if a good man actually would get in, he would have to show his goodness by turning in any of the priests still living under Vatican protection and cleaning house.

In fact, that will be how we will know if a good man has finally taken control of the Church.
If he does not clean house then Catholics will know that Satan rules the Church.

You might be right though and no one really cares.
That may be why the governments have let the church dictate arrest policy for itself and muzzled even our Canadian government.

Regards
DL



A pedophile proting pope lover are you?

Regards
DL



Another one?

Oh Canada. Look what you have spawned my beloved country.

Regards
DL

I don't have a dog in the race so what they do does not really concern me.

 

[wulfie68]

Now here's where my jaded nature regarding figure heads shows.

When you have any large institution, very rarely is the person 'in charge of it', the one who is actually calling the shots and running the show on a daily basis. Especially when it's an institution whose figurehead is meant to be infallible. In order to maintain that image, you give the dirty work to other people. And when electing a pope, I'm sure who's been involved in what dirty dealings, factors in to the selection.

Yes, jaded, but there it is.

My problem with this type of outlook comes down to this: you can delegate authority but not responsibility. If the people you designate to deal with an issue screw it up, its still on you. I'm not saying other cardinals up for the post when Ratzinger was elected would have done any differently, because you do have a lot of institutional momentum to work against but that doesn't absolve him for what happened under him.

 

[taxslave]

It is my understanding that if you were a youth in Germany in the late 30s, you were automatically invited to become a Hitler Youth. I believe most people accepted the invitation preferring to remain alive.

That is a fact. It was much like belonging to the communist party in Russia was. If you didn't your life wasn't worth $hit.

 

[lone wolf]

When it comes right down to the Party or a farewell party, most people choose life. Jumping through the hoops isn't a new thing.

 

[French Patriot]

More BS from the BS king. His Holiness was never a member of the Nazi party.

I don't care. I am too busy celebrating the fact that a government has shown that it has more balls than the Canadian one.

Shame on Canada.


Pope Benedict Resigned to Avoid Arrest, Seizure of Church Wealth by Easter - Salem-News.Com


Pope Benedict Resigned to Avoid Arrest, Seizure of Church Wealth by Easter

Salem-News.com
Diplomatic Note was issued to Vatican just prior to his resignation.

Learn more, visit: itccs.org​

(BRUSSELS ITCCS ) - The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.

The ITCCS (International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State) Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.
   
2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.
   
3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.
   
4. The agreement between our Tribunal and the said nation included a second provision to issue a commercial lien through that nation's courts against the property and wealth of the Roman Catholic church commencing on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2013. This lien was to be accompanied by a public and global "Easter Reclamation Campaign" whereby Catholic church property was to be occupied and claimed by citizens as public assets forfeited under international law and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
   
5. It is the decision of our Tribunal and the said nation's government to proceed with the arrest of Joseph Ratzinger upon his vacating the office of the Roman Pontiff on a charge of crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.
   
6. It is our further decision to proceed as well with the indictment and arrest of Joseph Ratzinger's successor as Pope on the same charges; and to enforce the commercial lien and "Easter Reclamation Campaign" against the Roman Catholic church, as planned.

In closing, our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.

We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking.

Further bulletins on the events of the Easter Reclamation Campaign will be issued by our Office this week.


Issued 13 February, 2013
12:00 am GMT by the Brussels Central Office,

Regards
DL

 

[DaSleeper]

Break....

 

[French Patriot]

Would jailing the pope do a damn thing to correct what was done? Is he the one who did it? Is he the one who pulled the strings, moved people around, shuffled them under the carpet?

No.
.

Yes he did if the evidence is sound.

Regards
DL

 

[Sal]

Break....

what are you serving?

 

[JLM]

Would jailing the pope do a damn thing to correct what was done? Is he the one who did it? Is he the one who pulled the strings, moved people around, shuffled them under the carpet?

No.

The only way that victims will be well served is by the actual people responsible being rooted out and brought to justice, not a figure head, and by the institution changing the way it does business in the future. A sacrificial goat is meaningless.

It's no use Karrie, there's some subjects (like this one) that just bring out "stupid". I would have thought the link I provided yesterday might "clue up" some of the nutters! -

 

[French Patriot]

It's no use Karrie, there's some subjects (like this one) that just bring out "stupid". I would have thought the link I provided yesterday might "clue up" some of the nutters! -

Like post 54 speaks to?

Regards
DL

 

[The Old Medic]

One more of the many Catholic bashing threads!