‘Do you have running water? I don’t and I live in Canada’

CDNBear

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Hey, Bear, there are just some idiots you can't win with! :lol:
I'm oft accused of trying to win. Although with some members and all of the usual suspects, I am playing a game, I'm not in it for a 'win'.

I'm in it to counter the stupid, the lies, the myths, the stereotypes and outright malice some people spew around here.
 

DurkaDurka

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The modern world is rolling over aboriginals in Canada. Just like the modern world rolled over the Irish in the mid 19th century during the famine. And it seems just like the modern world is rolling over east Africa with its famine right now. The short answer is that subsistence people, wherever they are in the world, are being rolled over. Pre-modern cultures will always exist in some numbers in some remote parts of the world, but I can't see how they can thrive in Canada.

What I see in Canada is that the govt is trying to ease the transiiton of subsistence people to the modern world. Much of the work is not going well because good intentions crash and burn against harsh reality. Poor English skills? You're doomed. There's very little linguistic market multiculturalism in Canada. Poor education? You're doomed. The information economy demands educated people, if not, you're marginalised.

Unless Indians figure out a way to produce educated Indians who know English well and have marketable skills, they fail. All that matters are results. Otherwise lives are being wasted, as they are right now.

You are such a facked up, racist pos. Why don'y you dish out some of the same suggestions to whites who lives in trailer parks, sucking at the government tit?

Also, your Ireland remark is hilarious, how did the modern world roll over them? We didn't have a UN or transatlantic food drops at that point methinks.

The Irish that had the funds, took torturous trips overseas, to see a better life. Misery that you wouldn't understand I'm pretty sure.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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It takes time to educate, but it has to start somewhere, here goes.

Subsistence means you make enough to get by, but famine strikes and you lose thousands or milllions of your people. The productivity of pre-modern country people, in Ireland, Scotland, Caanda, Africa, Europe, or anywhere is very low. Once replaced, yields rise 10 to 50 times. City people force evictions to get higher prodictivity from the land. We all like plenty of good food so we boot country people off the land so more productive farmers can take over. Simple really.

You don't always need an education to succeed in the market economy, but statistically it helps. But you've got to be able to calculate the numbers, communicate, and work fairly hard. Business is just buying low and selling high, making everything a commodity, hey, like now. Was it like this 500 years ago? I think not. Like duh, the world has changed.
 

Dexter Sinister

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To me, it's an example of trying to force the federal govt to spend money on a problem that could be easily solved by aboriginals moving to cities and towns where everyone has clean water and sanitation.
Everyone has clean water and sanitation in cities and towns? Don't get out much, do you. Have you any idea how many communities across Canada at any given time have boil water advisories in place? And you think moving all aboriginals to cities and towns *wouldn't* involve spending any money? And you think that wouldn't be accompanied by serious social and cultural destruction of aboriginal communities? You really should try to remember that every complex problem has a solution that's simple, obvious, logical, and wrong. Your argument is a fine example.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Everyone has clean water and sanitation in cities and towns? Don't get out much, do you. Have you any idea how many communities across Canada at any given time have boil water advisories in place? And you think moving all aboriginals to cities and towns *wouldn't* involve spending any money? And you think that wouldn't be accompanied by serious social and cultural destruction of aboriginal communities? You really should try to remember that every complex problem has a solution that's simple, obvious, logical, and wrong. Your argument is a fine example.

More people have better water in cites than in the country. Duh. Most Canadians live in cites and the water is fine. Double duh.

Walkerton had a water problem that killed people because they had unqualified people running the system. It's a complex system. And you think aboiriginals will do better than the Canadian average? Which still makes people sick at times and kills them?

Destruction of aboriginal communities is already occurring as poor education and poor work skills doom so many to a dismal life. Or are you saying everything is fine in aboriginal communities?

Treaites have to end eventually, it will take time, but that is the plan. One plan would be abolishing all the bureacuracies and giving each aboriginal $10,000 per year for a decade or two to let them get on their economic feet. Once they reach a certain level of income for three years say, they get no more money. Others want to privatise reserves, that's a good idea too.
 

CDNBear

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It takes time to educate, but it has to start somewhere, here goes.
Funny you should say that, given the fact that you don't answer half the questions you were asked.

We all like plenty of good food so we boot country people off the land so more productive farmers can take over. Simple really.
So you're saying country folk need to be booted off the land to allow more productive farmers to take over?

What does thathave to do with any of the questions I asked, or the First Nations in general?

Was it like this 500 years ago?
No, 500 years ago we were making land deals you want to back out of now.


And you think aboiriginals will do better than the Canadian average?
Unless you have documentation to the contrary, yes.

Destruction of aboriginal communities is already occurring as poor education and poor work skills doom so many to a dismal life. Or are you saying everything is fine in aboriginal communities?
Of course he isn't. Unlike you he doesn't opperate on silly generalizations.

Treaites have to end eventually, it will take time, but that is the plan.
That's the plan for who? The treaties have specific wording that make them perpetually binding.

One plan would be abolishing all the bureacuracies and giving each aboriginal $10,000 per year for a decade or two to let them get on their economic feet.
10,000 a year? You're funny. You're getting more than that off me now.

When you get a chance or an education, can you go back and answer all the questions I asked, directly please.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Dump I'm not sure what your obsession with the native people of Canada is, but you really should knock it off. You're starting to remind me of some other clueless idiots that go on and on about Israel and Palestine. Have you been checked for OCD?.
 

JLM

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Dump I'm not sure what your obsession with the native people of Canada is, but you really should knock it off. You're starting to remind me of some other clueless idiots that go on and on about Israel and Palestine. Have you been checked for OCD?.

Yep, and he lives in a province and city with lots of native people. He could very easily get himself killed. :lol:
 

Kakato

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Alberta's pretty adamant on getting fresh safe drinking water to everyone but they have a long way to go yet.Theres still lots of places where rural folks have to come into town to fill their tanks from a water tower.We were doing a couple hundred kilometers a year of ten inch water main up near coronation and three hills just so the towns along the way did have fresh water.I'm not sure about the brocket reserve but they did lay water lines there a few years ago.
 

petros

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One of the first Indian Bands....

 

dumpthemonarchy

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Dump I'm not sure what your obsession with the native people of Canada is, but you really should knock it off. You're starting to remind me of some other clueless idiots that go on and on about Israel and Palestine. Have you been checked for OCD?.

So we should waste about $10,000 per year every year forever on Indians? Everything is just fine you say apparently. Suicide, poverty, crime just slide right off some people.

You're no fun at all. Indians are interesting. The mass of Canadians have little interest in them, the issue is contracted out to the govt to deal with. Poof it's gone. It's a neat trick. I don't quite get it I have to admit and I don't think they're doing a very good job. Canada is not a corporation where if your boss tells you something you have to accept it or get another job. I cannot be fired here.

Some people say, "We just give Indians money and shut up. If you even talk about Indian issues, you're racist." Consider me a bit weirded out here at times over this. The PC crowd is inherently undemocratic because they think they have all the answers and don't want any talk back. Sorry. I think the public is largely clueless here on this topic due in part to many of the clueless responses about Indians, they keep personalizing the issue because that is all they can do.
 

CDNBear

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So we should waste about $10,000 per year every year forever on Indians?
I like how your guestimated numbers, keep increasing.

Everything is just fine you say apparently. Suicide, poverty, crime just slide right off some people.
You did say you just yawn about it.

I cannot be fired here.
Or educated.

If you even talk about Indian issues, you're racist.
You're just full of lies today aren't you.

Consider me a bit weirded out here at times over this.
You're not weird, you're ignorant.

The PC crowd is inherently undemocratic because they think they have all the answers and don't want any talk back.
I didn't know you were a member of the PC crowd.

Sorry. I think the public is largely clueless here on this topic due in part to many of the clueless responses about Indians...
That's right, you should be sorry about your clueless responses about First Nations.

Apology accepted. Now please stop posting clueless crap about First Nations.

... they keep personalizing the issue because that is all they can do.
It's hard not to take it personal, when you keep getting proven wrong and you keep attacking me and my community with lies, ignorance, stupidity, idiocy, myths, stereotypes and so on.
 

CDNBear

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That is about the most ignorant statement made on here lately, possibly only surpassed by those of Ed Palamar! 8O
I just want to know where I can get that 10 grand. That would buy me an awesome new 4 wheeler.
 

talloola

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So we should waste about $10,000 per year every year forever on Indians?
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Is there some particular reason why you cannot call canada's first people, 'first nations' ?

Or maybe we have misunderstood you all along, and you 'are' talking about indians.