‘Do you have running water? I don’t and I live in Canada’

[CDNBear]

Nice. You know I could say that Dumpy should be too embarrassed to show up again in the thread, but really when has that ever stopped him before.

And I just threw that together.

With the roof on my mind this morning, I total gapped on taking the cam when we left for Rama at 6am.

The next time, I'll take the cam, and have a little more time on my hands to really do some driving around.

I'll show everything from the cheaper, Band provided detached homes, to the homes built by Band members. Where they own the home, but the land belongs to the Band.

 

[SLM]

And I just threw that together.

With the roof on my mind this morning, I total gapped on taking the cam when we left for Rama at 6am.

The next time, I'll take the cam, and have a little more time on my hands to really do some driving around.

I'll show everything from the cheaper, Band provided detached homes, to the homes built by Band members. Where they own the home, but the land belongs to the Band.

He will gloss over all of it, I've no doubt. But keep them coming, lot's of people hold onto stereotypes even if they may not post like Dumpy. It may enlighten one or two of them.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

He will gloss over all of it, I've no doubt. But keep them coming, lot's of people hold onto stereotypes even if they may not post like Dumpy. It may enlighten one or two of them.

Oh, it's stereotyping when aboriginal and white politicians dither when thousands live in squalor? Very PC here, any talk of aboriginals is uncalled for, improper, we won't have it. What a load of crap.

Aboriginals want their "third level of govt" but don't want to make an effort to ensure everyone is treated fairly. On some of these reserves, some aboriginal politicians are getting fat salaries and enablers like you can't see through this because of your biases and prejudices. I want action, you are filled with empty words.

 

[#juan]

There is no reason all people in this country cannot have clean water. The
Indians, Natives, First Nations, waste more money than it would take to
set up a decent water system. A little care as to the location of the wells and
septic fields would solve most of the problems.

 

[CDNBear]

Oh, it's stereotyping when aboriginal and white politicians dither when thousands live in squalor?

Cool, I finally got you down to 'thousands' from 'all'.

I'll keep educating you, if you keep trying like that.

Very PC here, any talk of aboriginals is uncalled for, improper, we won't have it. What a load of crap.

I agree, that comment of your, was a load of crap. Work on it.

Aboriginals want their "third level of govt" but don't want to make an effort to ensure everyone is treated fairly.

Your blatant lie aside. Oops, you're back to the 'all' again.

On some of these reserves, some aboriginal politicians are getting fat salaries and enablers like you can't see through this because of your biases and prejudices.

Cool, back to 'some' and not 'all'.

Now if only you could stop making things up about what SLM said.

I want action, you are filled with empty words.

You spelled "my posts" wrong.

There is no reason all people in this country cannot have clean water.

Yes there is.

The Indians, Natives, First Nations, waste more money than it would take to set up a decent water system.

A decent system where?

A little care as to the location of the wells and septic fields would solve most of the problems.

I agree, so why did the gov't engineers that built the original systems put them in the completely inappropriate locations?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

There is no reason all people in this country cannot have clean water. The
Indians, Natives, First Nations, waste more money than it would take to
set up a decent water system. A little care as to the location of the wells and
septic fields would solve most of the problems.

Technically it can be done, but politically it cannot be done by aboriginals because they have unaccountable govts. They are not democracies.

 

[CDNBear]

Technically it can be done, but politically it cannot be done by aboriginals because they have unaccountable govts. They are not democracies.

You're either the biggest idiot on the planet, or you really are just a troll....

This is a lesson created for grade three students, so I'm hoping you should be able to understand it. Although I'm not holding my breath...

http://keorth.wmwikis.net/file/view/3rdgradecivicsunit.pdf

http://aisc.metapress.com/content/e162876764654688/

http://journalofphilosophyandhistoryofeducation.com/jophe55.pdf#page=107

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/403/abor/rep/rep03may10-e.pdf

Elections Canada Online | Information for Aboriginal Voters

http://www.google.ca/search?q=first%20nations%20council%20elections&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=np

As for accountability, I admit it could be better, but certainly comparable to Ottawa...

http://www.afn.ca/uploads/files/accountability/11-05-31_fs-accountability_fe.pdf

Feel free to actually challenge anything at those links with something at least resembling a reasoned factual rebuttal.

That would nice, for a change.

 

[taxslave]

Technically it can be done, but politically it cannot be done by aboriginals because they have unaccountable govts. They are not democracies.

Part right. Technically it can be done. Politically it can't because there are too many white bureaucrats in DIA that suck all the money out of the system to justify their own existence.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Part right. Technically it can be done. Politically it can't because there are too many white bureaucrats in DIA that suck all the money out of the system to justify their own existence.

Lawyers in the DIA have a huge financial interest in the status quo, about ten billion bucks per year. Worth fighting for. And not just white lawyera and bureaucrats, aboriginal ones too. They look out for number one and because democracy is absent here, aboriginals are left out on a limb. Govts need not be democratic for them to do business with each other, they can deal just fine with dictatorships. We did plenty of business with Ghaddafi in Libya.

Aboriginals are politically handicapped, they have nowhere to turn for redress because their own leaders can ignore them because aboriginals have few democratic political mechanisms to force their leaders to change, so they don't change. Canadian govts are restricted by what they can do by treaty. Govts need to be pushed, so aboriginal leaders and the DIA have found ways to stifle or ignore dissent to allow the current corrupt system to continue.

 

[CDNBear]

I see my challenge was just to much for you eh dumpster?

And not just white lawyera and bureaucrats, aboriginal ones too.

Of course...:roll:

They look out for number one and because democracy is absent here, aboriginals are left out on a limb.

Oh, you were talking about the Feds, not First Nation gov'ts....I agree, the is no democracy in the MAA.

Govts need not be democratic for them to do business with each other, they can deal just fine with dictatorships.

I don't think the MAA is like a dictatorship.

We did plenty of business with Ghaddafi in Libya.

I certainly wouldn't compare any part of the Canadian Gov't to Ghaddafi.

Aboriginals are politically handicapped, they have nowhere to turn for redress because their own leaders can ignore them because aboriginals have few democratic political mechanisms to force their leaders to change, so they don't change.

I see you missed my post.

But you are semi correct, but the problem is usually the Feds...

The case of James Gabriel, a deposed Council member, where the Feds and Gabriel got a Court order, to reinstate him. After he was soundly defeated in a free election, by 61%.

In that case, the Feds made an end run around NATIVE democracy.

You really should try and learn something about the First Nations, before you make all these silly posts or yours.

Canadian govts are restricted by what they can do by treaty.

Yep, but that hasn't stopped them from playing end runs around the contracts.

Govts need to be pushed, so aboriginal leaders and the DIA have found ways to stifle or ignore dissent to allow the current corrupt system to continue.

I agree. And you just keep helping them do it.

Way to go. Thanx for undoing all my hard work.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Aboriginals put up with less democracy because many feel beseiged, they want to protect their culture. Similar to Quebec. Trouble is, in the rest of Canada has always been quite democratic and just expects more transparency and more full disclosure. The MAA doesn't interfere in the politics or elections of municipalities, they only do it for only for aboriginals. As a result much of the time the MAA will screw up, which is what we expect of the feds.

There are so many aboriginal groups and the public cannot be expect to know all the details, so the feds have a free hand. Bad news is news and that is what the public gets.

 

[CDNBear]

Aboriginals put up with less democracy because many feel beseiged, they want to protect their culture.

Of course they feel besieged. People like you running all over hells half acre lying about them all the time.

How would you feel if people ran around telling lies about you all the time?

As for you claim, about less democracy. Got any proof?

I've only proven that my Band has had the longest running participatory democracy in history, at least a dozen times now.

Similar to Quebec.

Accept the contracts we have, that Quebec doesn't.

Trouble is, in the rest of Canada has always been quite democratic and just expects more transparency and more full disclosure.

You may want to look up Japanese internment.

You really shouldn't tell people you have a degree in history, if you're going to expose the fact that you don't, in almost every post.

The MAA doesn't interfere in the politics or elections of municipalities, they only do it for only for aboriginals.

Well duh!!! Of course not, the MAA doesn't have jurisdiction over municipalities.

As a result much of the time the MAA will screw up, which is what we expect of the feds.

Then take your silly bigotry to them, and stop lying about the First Nations.

There are so many aboriginal groups and the public cannot be expect to know all the details,

They are expected to, if they think they can prattle on about them, as if they think they know something. Like you.

... so the feds have a free hand.

A free hand in what?

Bad news is news and that is what the public gets.

And then just makes up the rest, like you do.

I'll know when you've grown tired of me poking huge holes in your lies and bigotry. When you stop posting lies because you're a bigot.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Continue to live in a fantasy world, fine with me.

 

[CDNBear]

Continue to live in a fantasy world, fine with me.

You spelled 'the real' wrong.

Anyone with a grade one education, can easily see who's been posting facts, and who's been posting make believe bigoted lies.

Which explains why ou ignore my links and dismiss fact ad nauseum.

Wait till next week, when I post another video for you to ignore.

 

[talloola]

You spelled 'the real' wrong.

Anyone with a grade one education, can easily see who's been posting facts, and who's been posting make believe bigoted lies.

Which explains why ou ignore my links and dismiss fact ad nauseum.

Wait till next week, when I post another video for you to ignore.

he's the only one ignoring them, keep on posting

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Another report, another doorstop. But fat salaries will continue to be paid to those in the know such as white and aboriginal leaders and lawyers.


Troubled First Nations community risks 'losing a generation': Report

TORONTO — The federal and provincial governments need to urgently improve basic living conditions for an impoverished, remote northern Ontario First Nations community if it wants to put an end to a "extraordinary rate" of teen suicides there, according to a yearlong review by the provincial coroner's office.


The 215-page report released Friday by the Ontario Office of the Chief Coroner identified a number of factors that it says contributed to the 16 child and youth suicides that have occurred on the Pikangikum First Nation reserve over a two-year-old period.

"The tragedy of the deaths of these children and youth presents a universal challenge," says the report.


The review found that the fly-in community of 2,400 in northwestern Ontario lacks basic infrastructure, such as easy access to clean drinking water, a sewage system, a school, recreational facilities, and health services, including substance abuse programs.

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[CDNBear]

Another report, another doorstop. But fat salaries will continue to be paid to those in the know such as white and aboriginal leaders and lawyers.


Troubled First Nations community risks 'losing a generation': Report

TORONTO — The federal and provincial governments need to urgently improve basic living conditions for an impoverished, remote northern Ontario First Nations community if it wants to put an end to a "extraordinary rate" of teen suicides there, according to a yearlong review by the provincial coroner's office.


The 215-page report released Friday by the Ontario Office of the Chief Coroner identified a number of factors that it says contributed to the 16 child and youth suicides that have occurred on the Pikangikum First Nation reserve over a two-year-old period.

"The tragedy of the deaths of these children and youth presents a universal challenge," says the report.


The review found that the fly-in community of 2,400 in northwestern Ontario lacks basic infrastructure, such as easy access to clean drinking water, a sewage system, a school, recreational facilities, and health services, including substance abuse programs.

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Of course those big salaries will still get paid, they have to pay them so they can make the gov't fix the problem.

A problem created when the Crown, made a deal, First Nations gives up Land area X, Crown gives them Land area Y, and a guarantee that their needs will be met so long as , and I quote here, the sun rises and the rivers flow.

The condition of that reservation infrastructure, is the result of Federal fumbling. The socio-economic issues, are shared blame, between the Feds and the people.

Have you got anything else, other than an article that shows how badly non natives have oppressed Natives?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

What's needed is an inventory of all the aboriginal reserves in Canada and information on their water quality. Who gets it trucked in, who has good plumbing, issues and whatever. This would require organization, and that's not what you get regarding aboriginals in Canada. Divided by province too. So far it's all hodge-podge. I would support a study for that.

The public requires more information about where all the billions are going and not going.

I remember reading in the paper the federal govt didn't even know how many employees they had.

 

[CDNBear]

What's needed is an inventory of all the aboriginal reserves in Canada and information on their water quality. Who gets it trucked in, who has good plumbing, issues and whatever.

Really? Ya think so?

This would require organization, and that's not what you get regarding aboriginals in Canada. Divided by province too. So far it's all hodge-podge. I would support a study for that.

It's been done. I posted a link a while ago. You were to busy lying about First Nations people to notice it I guess.

Would you like me to post them again?

The public requires more information about where all the billions are going and not going.

It's available to the public. The public has to want to be educated. Which of course rules you out.

I remember reading in the paper the federal govt didn't even know how many employees they had.

No wonder they have difficulty keeping up with the contractual obligations.

 

[#juan]

There is no reason not to have running water in Canada without having the taxpayer supply it. Many of us built our own water systems in rural areas without claiming the government has to pay.
Whether or not some of these communities should remain where they are or not is a whole different issue.

There are all kinds of reasons why everyone doesn't have running water in this country. Providing running water is a lot more than installing a couple taps. It could be done but the money has to come from somewhere......So does the water. We are very wasteful of water in Canada and we better learn...and soon.