disgusted!

relic

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Nov 29, 2009
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So what do you think of your "leader"now,anybody that would vote for harper or any of his lackys has got serious problems.Me,I'm disgusted!
In case you haven't seen the news,harper has run and hid,again,I'd like to hear some arguements for this cowardly display.
 

countryboy

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Nov 30, 2009
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So what do you think of your "leader"now,anybody that would vote for harper or any of his lackys has got serious problems.Me,I'm disgusted!
In case you haven't seen the news,harper has run and hid,again,I'd like to hear some arguements for this cowardly display.

I've been busy...what news are we talking about here?
 

Francis2004

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Nov 18, 2008
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Harper in proroguing parliament again so that he can reset everything..

It is simple.. It starts with my Senate Thread I had earlier this month.. If Harper appoints new Senators he cannot control the already running committees that have Liberal Senators as head of them.. After he appoints new Conservative Senators he will have to reset Parliament by proroguing it.. This will permit all Senate committees to be reformed and have Conservative heads to them as well as be bias to ram thru the legislation..

However it means all legislation done in 2009 that was not complete will be null and void and have to be re-done.

One point that should be made from this.. Although Harper will now have control of the Senate, he could well lose control of Parliament as the NDP could well no longer support him in the house..

These are all possibilities..
 

givpeaceachance

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Mar 12, 2008
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I think that I am more disgusted with ourselves, 'the people', because we expect our democracy to run itself. We don't do anything. We are kinda lazy and apathetic and usually only have enough energy to run our mouths off acting like having an opinion is good enough. The reason why things are so crappy is because we have allowed it to be that way.

I'm not trying to be mean. I just think it's the truth.
 
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Niflmir

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I think that I am more disgusted with ourselves, 'the people', because we expect our democracy to run itself. We don't do anything. We are kinda lazy and apathetic and usually only have enough energy to run our mouths off acting like having an opinion is good enough. The reason why things are so crappy is because we have allowed it to be that way.

I'm not trying to be mean. I just think it's the truth.

What exactly are you implying people should do? Lobby? Write letters? Editorials?

Voicing one's opinion is in fact an important part of a democracy, even in such a secluded place as this.
 

darkbeaver

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Harper is so misunderstood, he really does have the best interests of a bastion fundementalist country in mind. What we lack in material comforts we will surely reap in heavenly apoplexy.
 

countryboy

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I think that I am more disgusted with ourselves, 'the people', because we expect our democracy to run itself. We don't do anything. We are kinda lazy and apathetic and usually only have enough energy to run our mouths off acting like having an opinion is good enough. The reason why things are so crappy is because we have allowed it to be that way.

I'm not trying to be mean. I just think it's the truth.

Ooh, straight talk like that gets me all excited. You may have summed up our Canadian political problems right there in one mouthful. There may be a few :-? folks that disagree with you, but I'm with ya! Not sayin' everyone is lazy or apathetic, but some folks don't do much to influence election results (work for a candidate, run for office) but have mighty strong opinions after the fact.

Hell, I know some that can't even get off their butt to go and vote but criticize everything between elections. I think they're not entitled to an opinion if they didn't vote (but could have).
 

givpeaceachance

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What exactly are you implying people should do? Lobby? Write letters? Editorials?

Voicing one's opinion is in fact an important part of a democracy, even in such a secluded place as this.

I'm all for voicing opinions I'm just saying that, as we can all tell, it doesn't do anything. I'm all for healthy debating and discussion as I have said before that it helps us to learn and define what we think. But sitting around and doing that forever doesn't get things done. It doesn't help to ensure accountability with our government, it doesn't help to retract laws that have been passed or judge rulings that should be overturned. People disagree and talk about it and nothing gets done.

BTW democracy isn't something that runs on idea's, it isn't a tangible thing. It needs people to give it life, protect it and uphold what it stands for. And if we were doing it right we would still have one but the fact is we drop the ball all the time because as I have said we expect it to take care of itself. And naturally, because it doesn't and the gov knows this, they take control of it and thusly of us. I'm sorry if you don't like this but IMO it's just the truth.

I don't know EXACTLY what we should be doing, and all you're above suggestions are great but writing letters also don't work. Why don't people get active? Why don't we get off our aces and make a stand, the old fashioned way and take it to the streets? I'm NOT talking about rioting or anything violent in anyway that's the WRONG way to make a stand but rather a calm stand. Is it because we are too comfortable and complacent? Maybe everybody should take it to the parliament grounds and not leave until they right the wrong that people were standing for - in this case, to not prorogue parliament. It would certainly send a message. What would they do? It's not like they could just ignore us.

It's a thought. What do you think?
 

countryboy

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What do you think?

G-PaC - I think you should start a new thread on this one and let's get at 'er. Pick a title that sums up what you've been saying here...it's a timely, intelligent, and meaningful subject. Go for it!
:canada::canada::canada:
 

givpeaceachance

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I would like to but I don't want to get ridiculed or incite a riot as that is not what i'm about or trying to do but you know how sarcastic and defensive people can get in this forum. I'm just trying to inspire conversation about what we think is a democracy and what can we do as 'the People' to express ourselves and be heard, and how can we be active as a democratic people in a way that doesn't break any laws or get anyone hurt.