DING DONG The Bill is DEAD!

[petros]

Actually it is unlikely Obama had anything to do with job losses in the coal industry.
Why the U.S. Coal Industry and Its Jobs Are Not Coming Back

Why the U.S. Coal Industry and Its Jobs Are Not Coming Back - Yale E360

World steel production in 2011 was 1518Mt and used 761Mt of coal – 12% of all hard coal mined.

A world without coal use is a world with no new steel being made.

Coal gasification produces a gas that can be used for home heating and industry and captured CO2 that can be sold for industrial purposes.

Those plants in the US aren't going anywhere either and you can expect more popping up globally.

CO2 is valuable and coal gas can be burned in Super efficient turbines to make electricity.

Coal gasification plants and turbines are scalable meaning they can be built anywhere and ideal for solar and wind back up or steady industrial power.

These puppies can use peat, bullshit, wood and household waste to make gas too but not at the production rates of coal.

The Republicans are not like the lemmings Democrats who passed Obamacare because they had to pass it to find out what was in it....
Poor Flossy can't understand that.....what a strange concept......

It's Atheists that need health care insurance.

The rest of us have Churches and Temples that fund our health care.

They don't turn their backs on us.

 

[EagleSmack]

Meh, the biggest mistake the USA made was becoming a Republic

It's not to late, Canada can adopt you as the 11th province and bring you back into the Commonwealth and we will toss in Free Health Care too :lol:

Donald Trump Outlines 7 Reasons To Make Canada The 51st State

Donald Trump’s campaign website listed 7 reasons why America should make Canada the 51st State. The points break down into economical and security reasons. Below is summary of the outline:

1. Oil. Canada is rich with oil. They are our largest importer of crude oil. Therefore, for economical and security reasons, Canada needs to be the 51st State.

2. Canada’s Border with the Antarctic is very long. For security reasons pertaining to Russia, we need that border. Also, there is oil there.

3. Population. Adding Canada would be equivalent to adding another California except much colder. To compete against the Chinese, we need a bigger population to consume. Millennials aren’t having as many babies, so making Canada America’s baby solves that problem. Our land mass will double overnight.

4. Maple syrup. Another natural resource that’s worth its weight in gold on the open market.

5. Beaver pellets. Global warming isn’t real, and people will need to keep warm. Why pay beaver pellets when we could buy them for cheaper? That’s common sense.

6. Hockey. We already have a majority of the NHL teams; we should have the rest.

7. Vancouver and Toronto steal too much of our film and television production. Netflix in Canada is also streaming the new Star Wars movie a year before God’s Land. Enough is enough and it’s time for a change.

As we move further into the century, it is America’s right and a necessity to expand. Mexico is lazy and full of rapists. That leaves Canada as our only option, and I’m the only politician not afraid to say it. We could accomplish the whole thing in a week, tops.

The Canadians are begging to be under American rule, a bunch of them always tell me that.

Make America and Canada Great Again!

-Donald

All Day

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You're just a rolling troll, bones. You just make things up to suit your compulsion to lash out at anything and everything to assuage your misanthropy.

Almost all First World nations have some form of universal nationalized health insurance that provides affordable and comprehensive coverage to all of its citizens. EXCEPT the good ol' USA, where they have some limited programs for the aged and leave vast sectors of the population to the ravenous, greed lust of private insurers.

They spend billions in lobbying and campaign donations to ensure that the irritatingly effective and efficient models of national health insurance don't see the legislative light of day in the U.S.

That's not what you said. You said most of the developed world was on single-payer.

You specified single-payer. Post #33. Here's the quote:

"In Health Care the only solution that will work is the Single Payer Nationalized Health Insurance that most the developed world already has. That should be supported by a competitive and efficient private system of health care providers. Progressive Repulicans and Democrats would agree on that."

You're a liar as well as an idiot.

 

[Corduroy]

The French model is usually rated the best in the world.

So I'll make my argument again. Repeal Obamacare and leave it to the states. Let one state copy the French model, another the Japanese, have a few single-payers, some conservative "tax-credit" models, every old thing. Let each state decide, based on its distribution of medical services and the circumstances of its population, how to provide health care, and how to pay for it.

Before Obamacare how was that working out?

 

[captain morgan]

Before Obamacare how was that working out?

Everyone died writhing in pain in the middle of the street... There was no one left

Fact

 

[Curious Cdn]

Who put the coal miners out of work anyway...?
oh yeah...
OBOMBA

Obama Kept His Promise, 83,000 Coal Jobs Lost And 400 Mines Shuttered
Obama Kept His Promise, 83,000 Coal Jobs Lost | The Daily Caller

I wonder which President put the firewood cutters out of work a century and a half, ago?

Did you know that Teddy Roosevelt put the draft horses out of work?... all by himself! Yes, he did! He was President when the Model "T" came out.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Before Obamacare how was that working out?

It was rolling along. Three states had universal health plans. Twenty had legislation drafted, which was derailed by Obamacare.

You think if Obamacare is repealed, people won't demand a replacement?

Hint: It ain't 2009.

 

[DaSleeper]

Meh, the biggest mistake the USA made was becoming a Republic

It's not to late, Canada can adopt you as the 11th province and bring you back into the Commonwealth and we will toss in Free Health Care too :lol:

It ain't free!

 

[mentalfloss]

the republicans are not like the lemmings

lmao

 

[Cliffy]

The Republicans are not like the lemmings

Republicans are lemmings following a malignant narcissist retard as he takes Yankyland over the precipice.

 

[Bar Sinister]

The French model is usually rated the best in the world.

So I'll make my argument again. Repeal Obamacare and leave it to the states. Let one state copy the French model, another the Japanese, have a few single-payers, some conservative "tax-credit" models, every old thing. Let each state decide, based on its distribution of medical services and the circumstances of its population, how to provide health care, and how to pay for it.

Why not? When you look at it objectively, the U.S. is about the size, in area and population of the core EU. Nobody complains about the EU having half a dozen different models, each taking into account local circumstances. Why anybody thinks a solution that would work for tiny, densely-populated Delaware or Rhode Island would necessarily work for Wyoming or Arizona, where the main problem isn't health care per se, it's transportation to the health care, is beyond me.

Or the US could just do what every modern nation in the world has done. Set up a nationwide plan where everyone has access to at least basic healthcare. I'm not suggesting the Canadian model as it only compares well to that of the US.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Or the US could just do what every modern nation in the world has done. Set up a nationwide plan where everyone has access to at least basic healthcare. I'm not suggesting the Canadian model as it only compares well to that of the US.

The Canadian system is based on the British NHS. So are some of the other alternatives, out there.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Or the US could just do what every modern nation in the world has done. Set up a nationwide plan where everyone has access to at least basic healthcare. I'm not suggesting the Canadian model as it only compares well to that of the US.

Good. Repeat your position without dealing with any of the arguments in my post.

The Canadian system is based on the British NHS. So are some of the other alternatives, out there.

There are four basic models.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Good. Repeat your position without dealing with any of the arguments in my post.


There are four basic models.

So, is the American model called the "Pay up now or die, you filthy peasant" system?

 

[EagleSmack]

So, is the American model called the "Pay up now or die, you filthy peasant" system?

What an idiot.

 

[Danbones]

So, is the American model called the "Pay up now or die, you filthy peasant" system?

"In the United States, charity care is health care provided for free or at reduced prices to low income patients.

The percentage of doctors providing charity care dropped from 76% in 1996-97 to 68% in 2004-2005. Potential reasons for the decline include changes in physician practice patterns and increasing financial pressures.

In 2006, Senate investigators found that many hospitals did not inform patients that charity care was available. Some for-profit hospitals provided as much charity care as some non-profit hospitals.

Investigators also found non-profit hospitals charging poor, uninsured patients more than they did patients with health insurance.

One estimate put the cost of uncompensated care for 2004 at $41 billion, of which $34.6 billion was funded through a patchwork of government programs. Over half of all government reimbursement for uncompensated care comes from the federal government; most of that is provided through Medicare and Medicaid.

These federal funds are a primary source of support for health care providers that serve the uninsured. Increasing demand for free and low-cost health care services by uninsured patients and Medicaid beneficiaries is, along with increased competition, placing a growing financial strain on safety-net health care providers.

Some safety-net providers are responding by trying to limit their charity care exposure and attract more paying customers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_care

Funny how the Trump haters know so little of the reality we are in.

 

[Curious Cdn]

"In the United States, charity care is health care provided for free or at reduced prices to low income patients.

The percentage of doctors providing charity care dropped from 76% in 1996-97 to 68% in 2004-2005. Potential reasons for the decline include changes in physician practice patterns and increasing financial pressures.

In 2006, Senate investigators found that many hospitals did not inform patients that charity care was available. Some for-profit hospitals provided as much charity care as some non-profit hospitals.

Investigators also found non-profit hospitals charging poor, uninsured patients more than they did patients with health insurance.

One estimate put the cost of uncompensated care for 2004 at $41 billion, of which $34.6 billion was funded through a patchwork of government programs. Over half of all government reimbursement for uncompensated care comes from the federal government; most of that is provided through Medicare and Medicaid.

These federal funds are a primary source of support for health care providers that serve the uninsured. Increasing demand for free and low-cost health care services by uninsured patients and Medicaid beneficiaries is, along with increased competition, placing a growing financial strain on safety-net health care providers.

Some safety-net providers are responding by trying to limit their charity care exposure and attract more paying customers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_care

Funny how the Trump haters know so little of the reality we are in.

Sounds like a good system to me! We've got to switch over to THAT one.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So, is the American model called the "Pay up now or die, you filthy peasant" system?

For about half the population.

Why doesn't that make you happy? Given your hatred and contempt for Americans, that is.

 

[Danbones]

Sounds like a good system to me! We've got to switch over to THAT one.

The amount of people getting charity heathcare (pre obama anyway) in the US was likely more than the total amount of sick people in Canada.

 

[Corduroy]

It was rolling along. Three states had universal health plans. Twenty had legislation drafted, which was derailed by Obamacare.

I get where you're coming from and I suppose that looked promising. The individual state-led model seems like a logical working model in a country like the United States. A similar thing happened in Canada.... 60 years ago. You can say that things were (finally) rolling along in the United States, but what took you so long and should we believe those efforts would have been successful? Are the cultural or political forces that blocked the US from adopting a universal healthcare program still influential?

You think if Obamacare is repealed, people won't demand a replacement?

Oh, I'm sure they will. Partly because of Obamacare. Unfortunately for the party of death, you can't easily take universal healthcare from people. Once people have it they cling to it, like their guns and religion.