DING DONG The Bill is DEAD!

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The definition odf Insanity is to "keep repeating what has failed numerous time before." I rest my case!!
 
mentalfloss

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Tecumsehsbones said:
The French model is usually rated the best in the world.

So I'll make my argument again. Repeal Obamacare and leave it to the states. Let one state copy the French model, another the Japanese, have a few single-payers, some conservative "tax-credit" models, every old thing. Let each state decide, based on its distribution of medical services and the circumstances of its population, how to provide health care, and how to pay for it.

Why not? When you look at it objectively, the U.S. is about the size, in area and population of the core EU. Nobody complains about the EU having half a dozen different models, each taking into account local circumstances. Why anybody thinks a solution that would work for tiny, densely-populated Delaware or Rhode Island would necessarily work for Wyoming or Arizona, where the main problem isn't health care per se, it's transportation to the health care, is beyond me.
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Each member of the EU is still acknowledged as a nation state.

Not to say it can't be done but your analogy is a wee bit off.
 
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mentalfloss said:
Each member of the EU is still acknowledged as a nation state.

Not to say it can't be done but your analogy is a wee bit off.
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The U.S. Constitution recognizes the sovereignty of the states, and limits the power of the Federal government.

But that's a red herring, as I'm sure you know well. But great way to having to give a serious answer to my questions, and even better way to avoid having to think! Well done!
 
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It doesn't give the states the same level of sovereignty that nation states have in the EU.
 
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I'm not trying to red herring anything, I was just making an additional observation.

I don't even disagree with your main point, so calm the fukk down.
 
B00Mer

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White_Unifier said:
Let me guess. Was it Walter who gave you the reddy?

Hi Walter.

Now Boomer, why would the US want to copy the Canadian model (which essentially goes too far in the opposite extreme) when studies show that a two-tiered system such as the ones in Europe (and which essentially avoid the extremes of Canada and the US) work better?

I think it's foolish for Canada to support our system just to be as different as we possibly can from the US as an end in itself.
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Yup it was that bible thumping retard that gave me the reddy... he is now going to hell... :lol:
 
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mentalfloss said:
I'm not trying to red herring anything, I was just making an additional observation.

I don't even disagree with your main point, so calm the fukk down.
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Vbeacher

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The polls have shown that most Americans want public health care like every other western nation has. And from a conservative viewpoint, this makes sense. After all, public health care didn't come from do-gooders. It came from businessmen who now had many skilled employees that kept dying. The US pays at least 30% more than any of its competition for this expensive, needed service yet gets worse results. And despite the whines about 'socialism' American private health care has far more restrictions and intrusions by bureaucrats, and a far heavier cost in administration, than public health care. My doctor in Canada will decide how to treat me, and doesn't have to call a bureaucrat a thousand miles away for permission - a bureaucrat whose financial incentives are all designed to get him to ensure I get the cheapest possible type of care, even if that means more pain an a longer recovery - or greater chance of death.

So why do they not have it? Well, to start with, all the important people in the US, the opinion makers in media, the government workers and bureaucrats, the politicians of every stripe at every level, and all the lobbyists and CEOs, all have excellent, top notch health care insurance - paid for by the government, or by their company. Why would they want change? Then you add in the massive amounts of money the health care industry lays off on politicians and their campaigns, and you see why Americans are doomed to be screwed over indefinitely. A national health insurance plan would be good for America, and good for most Americans, but that doesn't mean it would be good for the profits of the health care industry or the elites who run things.
 
Tecumsehsbones

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Vbeacher said:
The polls have shown that most Americans want public health care like every other western nation has. And from a conservative viewpoint, this makes sense. After all, public health care didn't come from do-gooders. It came from businessmen who now had many skilled employees that kept dying. The US pays at least 30% more than any of its competition for this expensive, needed service yet gets worse results. And despite the whines about 'socialism' American private health care has far more restrictions and intrusions by bureaucrats, and a far heavier cost in administration, than public health care. My doctor in Canada will decide how to treat me, and doesn't have to call a bureaucrat a thousand miles away for permission - a bureaucrat whose financial incentives are all designed to get him to ensure I get the cheapest possible type of care, even if that means more pain an a longer recovery - or greater chance of death.

So why do they not have it? Well, to start with, all the important people in the US, the opinion makers in media, the government workers and bureaucrats, the politicians of every stripe at every level, and all the lobbyists and CEOs, all have excellent, top notch health care insurance - paid for by the government, or by their company. Why would they want change? Then you add in the massive amounts of money the health care industry lays off on politicians and their campaigns, and you see why Americans are doomed to be screwed over indefinitely. A national health insurance plan would be good for America, and good for most Americans, but that doesn't mean it would be good for the profits of the health care industry or the elites who run things.
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Not really, but you're closer than the drooling imbecile brigade.
 
coldstream

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Tecumsehsbones said:
Hi. You're an idiot. Most of the developed world is on some variation of the mandatory-insurance model, often mixed with government payment. Single-payer is a minority model.
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You're just a rolling troll, bones. You just make things up to suit your compulsion to lash out at anything and everything to assuage your misanthropy.

Almost all First World nations have some form of universal nationalized health insurance that provides affordable and comprehensive coverage to all of its citizens. EXCEPT the good ol' USA, where they have some limited programs for the aged and leave vast sectors of the population to the ravenous, greed lust of private insurers.

They spend billions in lobbying and campaign donations to ensure that the irritatingly effective and efficient models of national health insurance don't see the legislative light of day in the U.S.
 
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