COVID-19 'Pandemic'

taxslave

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What constitutes a Liberal? Actually Liberal and Conservative all the same thing 90% of the time! They both do whatever gives THEM the biggest bang!
Neither party is truly representative of Liberals or Conservatives either. Especially fiscal conservatives with Liberal social values.
 
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taxslave

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I would hope so. I don't trust a man who doesn't.

I mostly just hope people are smart enough to understand that making sure everybody has enough makes your life better, i.e., is in your self-interest.
I don't have enough money so how about sending a bunch my way. If it comes from the US government the cheque will have to be certified.
 
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Nick Danger

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If everyone stayed in camp for an extended period there would be no need for the rules either. All of Vancouver Island was covid free for quite some time. Until about the time snowbirds started showing up here for the winter since they are not welcome in Arizona and Florida. And a few people just had to go off island for a holiday and brought disease back with them.
Yeah, the in/out traffic is where the risk is. Of course the two cases we have seen here had to come in from outside, they were fairly recent too, part of the recent surge in Alberta cases. What worked well is that they were detected quickly, and through contact tracing and isolating of those contacts the spread was held in check. The benefit here is that everyone is on the same page whether they like it or not. You don’t see anyone crying about oppression and freedoms when their six digit income hangs in the balance.
 

taxslave

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Yeah, the in/out traffic is where the risk is. Of course the two cases we have seen here had to come in from outside, they were fairly recent too, part of the recent surge in Alberta cases. What worked well is that they were detected quickly, and through contact tracing and isolating of those contacts the spread was held in check. The benefit here is that everyone is on the same page whether they like it or not. You don’t see anyone crying about oppression and freedoms when their six digit income hangs in the balance.
Something about the money that keeps the whiners at bay. That is also why the companies get away with the D&A testing and bans.
 
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Landmark legal ruling finds that Covid tests are not fit for purpose. So what do the MSM do? They ignore it​

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A member of the medical personnel performs a PCR test amid the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Charleroi, Belgium, November 5, 2020
A member of the medical personnel performs a PCR test amid the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Charleroi, Belgium, November 5, 2020REUTERS / Yves Herman
By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics.
Four German holidaymakers who were illegally quarantined in Portugal after one was judged to be positive for Covid-19 have won their case, in a verdict that condemns the widely-used PCR test as being up to 97-percent unreliable.
Earlier this month, Portuguese judges upheld a decision from a lower court that found the forced quarantine of four holidaymakers to be unlawful. The case centred on the reliability (or lack thereof) of Covid-19 PCR tests.
The verdict, delivered on November 11, followed an appeal against a writ of habeas corpus filed by four Germans against the Azores Regional Health Authority. This body had been appealing a ruling from a lower court which had found in favour of the tourists, who claimed that they were illegally confined to a hotel without their consent. The tourists were ordered to stay in the hotel over the summer after one of them tested positive for coronavirus in a PCR test - the other three were labelled close contacts and therefore made to quarantine as well.

Unreliable, with a strong chance of false positives​

The deliberation of the Lisbon Appeal Court is comprehensive and fascinating. It ruled that the Azores Regional Health Authority had violated both Portuguese and international law by confining the Germans to the hotel. The judges also said that only a doctor can “diagnose” someone with a disease, and were critical of the fact that they were apparently never assessed by one.
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They were also scathing about the reliability of the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, the most commonly used check for Covid.
The conclusion of their 34-page ruling included the following: “In view of current scientific evidence, this test shows itself to be unable to determine beyond reasonable doubt that such positivity corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”
In the eyes of this court, then, a positive test does not correspond to a Covid case. The two most important reasons for this, said the judges, are that, “the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used’’ and that “the test’s reliability depends on the viral load present.’’ In other words, there are simply too many unknowns surrounding PCR testing.

Tested positive? There could be as little as a 3% chance it’s correct​

This is not the first challenge to the credibility of PCR tests. Many people will be aware that their results have a lot to do with the number of amplifications that are performed, or the ‘cycle threshold.’ This number in most American and European labs is 35–40 cycles, but experts have claimed that even 35 cycles is far too many, and that a more reasonable protocol would call for 25–30 cycles. (Each cycle exponentially increases the amount of viral DNA in the sample).
Earlier this year, data from three US states – New York, Nevada and Massachusetts – showed that when the amount of the virus found in a person was taken into account, up to 90 percent of people who tested positive could actually have been negative, as they may have been carrying only tiny amounts of the virus.
The Portuguese judges cited a study conducted by “some of the leading European and world specialists,” which was published by Oxford Academic at the end of September. It showed that if someone tested positive for Covid at a cycle threshold of 35 or higher, the chances of that person actually being infected is less than three percent, and that “the probability of… receiving a false positive is 97% or higher.”
While the judges in this case admitted that the cycle threshold used in Portuguese labs was unknown, they took this as further proof that the detention of the tourists was unlawful. The implication was that the results could not be trusted. Because of this uncertainty, they stated that there was "no way this court would ever be able to determine" whether the tourist who tested positive was indeed a carrier of the virus, or whether the others had been exposed to it.
 

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No Booze 🍺 Wales From Friday 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Why? 😡 Are They Trying To Provoke Us?​


What the Hell is going on?

 

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No Booze 🍺 Wales From Friday 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Why? 😡 Are They Trying To Provoke Us?​


What the Hell is going on?


No one is trying to "provoke" you. It would not be wise to perceive things that way. As far as the booze goes....... we all know that alcohol loosens inhibitions and covid rules fly out the window. What is going on?? The world is trying to get control of this virus. Remember?? That pandemic!! It is REAL. renegades of the BS misinformation/ disinformation around.
 
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Serryah

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No one is trying to "provoke" you. It would not be wise to perceive things that way. As far as the booze goes....... we all know that alcohol loosens inhibitions and covid rules fly out the window. What is going on?? The world is trying to get control of this virus. Remember?? That pandemic!! It is REAL. renegades of the BS misinformation/ disinformation around.

But, OB, what about their freedumbs?! I mean, their freedom to be dumb about Covid?! That's what they're being provoked over! They have every right to be as knuckle dragging, dirt eating stupid about it as they want and damn the rest of humanity!
 
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Ocean Breeze

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But, OB, what about their freedumbs?! I mean, their freedom to be dumb about Covid?! That's what they're being provoked over! They have every right to be as knuckle dragging, dirt eating stupid about it as they want and damn the rest of humanity!
When you put it that way..;-).......I amend :)
 
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Blackleaf

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But, OB, what about their freedumbs?! I mean, their freedom to be dumb about Covid?! That's what they're being provoked over! They have every right to be as knuckle dragging, dirt eating stupid about it as they want and damn the rest of humanity!
Brave of you to make your disdain of civil liberties and human rights so public. Many people wouldn't be.
 
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Blackleaf

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What about your right to good health??Do you think the virus gives a damn about civil rights ??
The lockdown is worse for people's health than coronavirus.

The number of people who have died from coronavirus under the age of 60 in the UK stands at 339.

The average age of death of coronavirus in the UK is 82, which is one year higher than the average life expectancy.

There is nothing in the facts - and they ARE facts, the Government's own figures - which justify a lockdown.

Lockdowns don't work. If they did, they wouldn't have just imposed a SECOND lockdown in the UK.

Saying we need to protect people's health by imposing a totalitarian policy which is going to do more harm to people's health than coronavirus - suicides in the UK have increased, even among children, among whom it has doubled, and the lockdown has also caused an increase in stillbirths - is completely and utterly bonkers and illogical.