Conservatives accuse Justin Trudeau of profiting from not-for-profits

Cliffy

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Sure, these items are from Sun News, but judge them on the merits of the arguments...

Sun News : Meet the four culprits in Trudeau’s clumsy, banal speaking fees mess

Sun News : Justin Trudeau using a psychological trick

There's more than a little valid criticism there, IMO.
It is still a smoke screen in attempt to divert attention away from the fires burning out of control in the PMO. Making mountains out of mole hills when there are real mountains on fire is just childish.
 

Jonny_C

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It is still a smoke screen in attempt to divert attention away from the fires burning out of control in the PMO. Making mountains out of mole hills when there are real mountains on fire is just childish.

I don't know about you, but I can multi-task. I can keep both issues, neither of which makes me happy, at the forefront. Attention to one doesn't distract me from the other.

Both issues are examples of things we need to fix (or prevent), if politicians can't do it themselves.

EDIT (Addition):

The issue with Trudeau is not a molehill, considering that he will be running for PM. It's perfectly valid for us to be considering his character.
 

JLM

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No he won't. One can not "run" for PM in Canada.

"Technically" you are right, Gerry, but for all intents and purposes once you been voted party leader by the members, if the party wins more seats than the opponents the leader (99% of the time) will be Prime Minister. -:)
 

Jonny_C

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"Technically" you are right, Gerry, but for all intents and purposes once you been voted party leader by the members, if the party wins more seats than the opponents the leader (99% of the time) will be Prime Minister. -:)

That says it well.

Basically the local candidate, the party and the leader of the party are all running for government. Your single vote is a package deal, though the vote is technically cast for the local candidate.

How about this? ...

Justin Trudeau was using his position when he gave $20K speech | Full Comment | National Post

Trudeau spoke for $20 K at a conference where two other politicians spoke for free.
 

JLM

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I'm beginning to wonder if young Trudeau just isn't too overwhelmed with his own self importance!
 

Jonny_C

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I'm beginning to wonder if young Trudeau just isn't too overwhelmed with his own self importance!

I can't help but think that Trudeau must have felt just a little bit smug speaking for $20K while the others spoke gratis. He must have felt his "star power" outshining theirs. How could he not?
 

taxslave

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That says it well.

Basically the local candidate, the party and the leader of the party are all running for government. Your single vote is a package deal, though the vote is technically cast for the local candidate.

How about this? ...

Justin Trudeau was using his position when he gave $20K speech | Full Comment | National Post

Trudeau spoke for $20 K at a conference where two other politicians spoke for free.

Shows who is the better businessman. May be some hope for the kid yet.
 

Machjo

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Sure, these items are from Sun News, but judge them on the merits of the arguments...

Sun News : Meet the four culprits in Trudeau’s clumsy, banal speaking fees mess

Sun News : Justin Trudeau using a psychological trick

There's more than a little valid criticism there, IMO.

As biased as Sun News can be, the arguments here are relatively objective. He should not be using taxpayer-funded staff to direct his call to his private business. He should not be collecting fees during Parliamentary sittng hours, nor for that matter collecting fees even outside of Parliamentary sitting hours if he's skipping so many such hours.

As for collecting fees from this or that organization, there if it's a taxpayer-funded organization, then I blame the organization more than Trudeau. For the part in the previous paragraph, that lies squarely on Trudeau's shoulders no doubt.

Damn the mud is almost everywhere in that House. I think the only ones with any clean shirts left might be the odd backbencher here and there.

Shows who is the better businessman. May be some hope for the kid yet.

But if he wants to be a businessman, then at least have some integrity and step out of politics.

Next federal election, if my local CPC MP wants my vote, he'd better distance himself from Harper big time. If my local Liberal MP wants my vote, same from Trudeau.
 

Machjo

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govenrment is not a business in that it's not there to make a profit as such, but to provide essential services to the community. That said, there are similarities re: balancing the debt and running the place efficiently.
 

taxslave

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That's what taxes - even on big business - were supposed to do

Raising taxes just because you want to spend more is a good way to kill the economy. All levels of taxing authority currently take over %50 of our income. That is just plain wrong. If spending was controlled there would be more than enough money to cover the essentials.
 

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If spending was controlled, they would be an efficient business. That isn't going to happen as long as they keep funding studies on studies and frittering those funds away on companies that already frittered their funds away and flying politicians to and from fishing camps
 

Zipperfish

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Raising taxes just because you want to spend more is a good way to kill the economy. All levels of taxing authority currently take over %50 of our income. That is just plain wrong. If spending was controlled there would be more than enough money to cover the essentials.

There's more to life than the eocnomy.

The Trudeau thing doesn't seem to be sticking. Nor should it, really. The Conservatvies caught Trudeau in a bad position, but couldn't take advantage, partly because when you're embroiled in your own controversies, an attack doesn't look strong, it looks desperate.