Conservatives accuse Justin Trudeau of profiting from not-for-profits

Jonny_C

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There's more to life than the eocnomy.

That's a one-liner that falls relatively flat. In a strong economy we can afford to pay our taxes and still live decently well.

The Trudeau thing doesn't seem to be sticking. Nor should it, really. The Conservatvies caught Trudeau in a bad position, but couldn't take advantage, partly because when you're embroiled in your own controversies, an attack doesn't look strong, it looks desperate.

There's some truth to this, but in the long run people may remember the shortcomings of both.
 

Cliffy

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What I find most amusing is that it seems it is the rabid capitalists who are dissing Trudeau for being a capitalist. It is almost as if capitalists are cannibals, eating their own. Highly amusing!

So fewer people will vote Con, fewer Lib, looks like more blank spoilt ballots or less turnout.
Time for a mass boycott of the next election. To paraphrase an old 60's saying, "What if they held an election and nobody showed up?" In a democracy, nobody would have power to rule. They would have to listen to the will of the people. They would have to redesign government to our specs, not the corporate specs as it is now.
 

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What I find most amusing is that it seems it is the rabid capitalists who are dissing Trudeau for being a capitalist. It is almost as if capitalists are cannibals, eating their own. Highly amusing!


Time for a mass boycott of the next election. To paraphrase an old 60's saying, "What if they held an election and nobody showed up?" In a democracy, nobody would have power to rule. They would have to listen to the will of the people. They would have to redesign government to our specs, not the corporate specs as it is now.

A few people would still vote, and it would still go to the plurality vote. It's just that then they might start taking the problem seriously.

Personally, I always vote for the local candidate based on his character and competence, and nothing more. Also (and I hate to do this but I sometimes do), I'll cast a blank ballot or write in the name of a person i would have voted for had he been on the ballot. I've spoilt enough ballots in my time. But one thing I will never do is vote 'strategically'. All that does is encourage candidates to also run 'strategically', to ensure they come up as second-worse so they can collect all the votes. Only encourages mediocrity all round.

And I'll never vote for the party 'cause all that does is encourage more party power. In fact on one election I considered one candidate and decided to cast a blank ballot just because there was a party name under his (it was irrelevant what party it was), mind you he wasn't that impressive to begin with, so that was really just the straw...
 

gerryh

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That says it well.

Basically the local candidate, the party and the leader of the party are all running for government. Your single vote is a package deal, though the vote is technically cast for the local candidate.

How about this? ...

Justin Trudeau was using his position when he gave $20K speech | Full Comment | National Post

Trudeau spoke for $20 K at a conference where two other politicians spoke for free.


and whats your point? That the other 2 were too stupid to require remuneration? Also note, that the ethics commissioner cleared Trudeau on any wrong doing at this particular venue.
 

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Also note, that the ethics commissioner cleared Trudeau on any wrong doing at this particular venue.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what that proves, as I don't think the ethics commissioner always recognizes poor ethics. Did he look into the ethics of Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallin, Peter MacKay etc.?
 

Zipperfish

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Maybe, but without the economy there's not much of a life! -:)

Very true. I was in the middle of Kabul this time last year--I know what a lousy economy looks like. I just don't think we need to sacrifice everything on the altar for the almigthty economy. We had a good economy in the 50s, when all the women stayed at home and half the work force was unionized. Now you need two incomes to stay afloat--at least here in Vancouver-- and the powers-that-be are trying to get rid of the few unions that are left, so they can get their unpaid interns and cheap foreign workers--all for a good economy, of course.

Apart from that, it doesn't seem to really matter what party is in power. The economy seems a creature out of the control of national governments.
 
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gerryh

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I'm not sure what that proves, as I don't think the ethics commissioner always recognizes poor ethics. Did he look into the ethics of Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallin, Peter MacKay etc.?


ya ya ya ...... the only time you agree with the ethics commissioner is when they agree with you. I also didnt realize the Senators had done anything that the ethics commissioner would get involved? Can you supply a link?
 

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What I find most amusing is that it seems it is the rabid capitalists who are dissing Trudeau for being a capitalist. It is almost as if capitalists are cannibals, eating their own. Highly amusing!


Time for a mass boycott of the next election. To paraphrase an old 60's saying, "What if they held an election and nobody showed up?" In a democracy, nobody would have power to rule. They would have to listen to the will of the people. They would have to redesign government to our specs, not the corporate specs as it is now.

If government was run to corperate specs we wouldn't have so many wastefull social programs that we have now.
 

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Cobalt_Kid

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No argument there. It has been going on since the rule of that Canadian demigod, Pierre Trudeau.

Some of my earliest memories are of Trudeaumania so I'm a little more forgiving of the man, but he certainly didn't live up to the early hype.

The big challenge facing Canada in the coming years is finding a compromise between having effective government and responsible representation, something that most nations are also facing from the looks of it. We've been a nation that has a pretty good record of finding a balanced solution to problems and that's probably going to be important in the coming years.
 

Locutus

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Moving shadows write the oldest magic word.
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While all the world is saying you were meant for love.
Isn't it bromantic
Merely to be young on such a night as this?
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Every note that's sung is like a shiny lover's kiss.
Sweet rainbows in the moonlight,
Do you mean that I will fall in love per chance?
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Cobalt_Kid

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Justin Trudeau could have spoken on behalf of the charities while taking no fees above expenses but he chose not to and that does reflect on his character and on his suitability as PM, some people may not want to support him or his party over this.

But this isn't the issue right now, it's the continued campaign of Stephen Harper to reduce and neutralize any effective opposition against the intent and tradition of Parliamentary democracy in Canada. The press should be doing this in the interests of giving the electorate the best information possible, not the PM in the interests of removing a rival. How is this not showing the same kind of contempt others find so objectionable in other leaders. It may differ in detail but has the same ultimate effect in weakening open and responsible government even further.

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Isn't it bromantic?
Shiny ponies in the night, a dream to liberals can be heard.
Isn't it bromantic?
Moving shadows write the oldest magic word.
I hear his speeches playing in the trees above
While all the world is saying you were meant for love.
Isn't it bromantic
Merely to be young on such a night as this?
Isn't it bromantic?
Every note that's sung is like a shiny lover's kiss.
Sweet rainbows in the moonlight,
Do you mean that I will fall in love per chance?
Isn't it bromance?


You're really just showing your a-s-s here, not his.
 

Walter

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Isn't it bromantic?
Shiny ponies in the night, a dream to liberals can be heard.
Isn't it bromantic?
Moving shadows write the oldest magic word.
I hear his speeches playing in the trees above
While all the world is saying you were meant for love.
Isn't it bromantic
Merely to be young on such a night as this?
Isn't it bromantic?
Every note that's sung is like a shiny lover's kiss.
Sweet rainbows in the moonlight,
Do you mean that I will fall in love per chance?
Isn't it bromance?

Very clever. My 3rd smile of the day.
 

Locutus

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Everyone loves a good trap but the shiny one? Bitch please. :lol: