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earth_as_one

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Chavez's dismal economic record can be layed on his inability to develop a comprehensive national industrial strategy.. Relying on oil as its only export.. and importing virtually everything else it consumed.

His domestic policy was based on redistribution rather than creation of wealth by way of industrial development. That's similar to the situation Canada is facing with the disintegration of its industrial potential through Free Trade. Globalism is something that is shared by both Free Market Capitalism and Socialism.. and in both cases it has profoundly failed.

As for the future for Venezuela.. the country in polarized now into pro Chavez and anti Chavez camps.. with the Chavez group representing a modest majority. But the only way forward is to reject both the radical socialist and capitalist models.. and find that Third Way within a national economic system. I don't see any of the current contenders proposing a viable future for Venezuela.

We have also had a redistribution of wealth here too. Except over here the wealth has been redistributed to the wealthy so they can buy more expensieve yaughts and away from the poor who work dead end McJobs with no hope of a btetter future.

People here have crapped on Chavez, even though Chavez has improved the lives of 90% of Venezuelans. The same people defend the right wing leaders that have done little to nothing for the majority of Canadians and Americans and only increased the wealth of the wealthiest 1%.

The only way forward for the poor and middle class in North America is to reject the right wing politicians who are spending us into debt for the benefit of the wealthy elite.

How has Venezuela changed under Chavez:

Hugo Chavez was first elected president of Venezuela in 1998. He came to power vowing to use the country’s oil wealth to improve the lives of its poorest citizens. By some accounts, he is delivering. Living standards are improving in Venezuela.

But the president’s critics say Chavez is falling short of his own rhetoric. Given the country’s vast oil wealth, they claim Venezuela ought to be in much better shape.

One focus of the Chavez government is education. To improve computer literacy, the government is giving away nearly 2 million laptops to primary school students.



A school girl with a new government-issued computer. (Photo: John Otis)

“We are preparing kids for the challenges of new technologies,” said Venezuela’s Education Minister Maryann Hanson. Free computers are part of a broader government campaign to make education more accessible. And it’s working. Enrollment at primary schools has jumped 50 percent over the past decade. University attendance has tripled.

In fact, government statistics on health, education and economic development point to a substantial, if not great, leap forward. All this comes after Venezuela registered one of the world’s worst economic declines between 1970 and 1998, the year Chavez was elected.

Under Chavez, unemployment and poverty have been cut by half. Infant mortality is falling. New clinics and hospitals are going up.

Has Hugo Chavez Really Helped the Poor in Venezuela | PRI's The World

Those poor Venezuelans. Chavez has ruined their lives with a better living standard, education and health care.

ES, you should listen to George Carlin. See link at top of page...
 

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The same people defend the right wing leaders that have done little to nothing for the majority of Canadians and Americans and only increased the wealth of the wealthiest 1%.

The only way forward for the poor and middle class in North America is to reject the right wing politicians who are spending us into debt for the benefit of the wealthy elite.
lol Well, you are entitled to your opinion, I guess.
 

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Let me get this straight. The elected twats enrich the poor above their station all the way up the foodchain to the middle, seemingly threatening the very fabric of the nation, indeed perhaps even had a hand in 9/11, and you being poor, of a sort, decide to fix things by attacking the poor instead of the elected twats. The gaddamned poor always ruin a good country. Of course if you're wealthy you can afford to make art out of laying about, and they do. I would suggest you have your head examined but after these many years I'm sure you must have heard and ignored the advice many times. Maybe you can't afford proper medical help. A herbal remedy perhaps?

Wow... getting told off by the Grand PooBah of Hallucinations.

Clown

The only way forward for the poor and middle class in North America is to reject the right wing politicians who are spending us into debt for the benefit of the wealthy elite.

News Flash... the GOP is not charge and spending has gone through the roof. Maybe you didn't hear?
 

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Hugo is a Catholic and no they don't always follow the rules. Peniche was a Catholic
too. You know the Chilean butcher who murdered thousand in the early seventies coupe.
No Hugo has made a lot of mistakes that is true however he gave voting franchise to
the poor and what was denied will now be used against those who denied them the
basic rights. There are more poor than rich in any society and when the poor and the
lower middle class come together the meek shall inherit because they are not willing
to put up with nonsense anymore. Trickle Down remember that, the rich feast on the
economy at the main table and their crumbs are the rest of the worlds sustenance.
That is slowly coming to an end.
Within the next twenty years we will see a lot of changes some not so good but change
it will. People are not going to succumb to the constant shuffling of the economic pie
when there is no slices for them.
I don't believe everything should be run by government that is not the answer either but
there has to be some regulation of the economy that ensures profit without gouging, and
some measure of integrity for at present there is none.
Hugo changed the face of South America and the people in those countries are no longer
looking to the US nor are they prepared to allow America to meddle in their internal affairs.
 

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The coming meeting with the Grim Reaper has sent Hugo on the road to salvation. In the past few years found his religious beliefs.
 

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Chavez's dismal economic record can be layed on his inability to develop a comprehensive national industrial strategy.. Relying on oil as its only export.. and importing virtually everything else it consumed.

His domestic policy was based on redistribution rather than creation of wealth by way of industrial development. That's similar to the situation Canada is facing with the disintegration of its industrial potential through Free Trade. Globalism is something that is shared by both Free Market Capitalism and Socialism.. and in both cases it has profoundly failed.

As for the future for Venezuela.. the country in polarized now into pro Chavez and anti Chavez camps.. with the Chavez group representing a modest majority. But the only way forward is to reject both the radical socialist and capitalist models.. and find that Third Way within a national economic system. I don't see any of the current contenders proposing a viable future for Venezuela.

Globalism is not popular among elements that do not necessarily matter (the useless eaters) however it is very important nay vital that it become reality among those that do matter.That is where the five billion extras will be consumed in the final preordained cull. This cutback (globalization) will ensure continuation of the elite ruling overclass. So before you condemn the exercise as a failure you should reexamine it's real goals, which seem to me to be progressing very nicely. The globalizing tools are already amassed in the eastern Med and the China seas. After the war the remainder will be loyal globalists, forever and a day.


EagleSmack;1698328]Wow... getting told off by the Grand PooBah of Hallucinations.

Clown
Firstly that's Mr Clown when you're referring to me, and second the middle class is being eliminated by the overclass and not the underclass. So even if you do correct the poor you middle boy will still be eliminated by your employers and heros.
 

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Globalism is not popular among elements that do not necessarily matter (the useless eaters) however it is very important nay vital that it become reality among those that do matter.That is where the five billion extras will be consumed in the final preordained cull. This cutback (globalization) will ensure continuation of the elite ruling overclass. So before you condemn the exercise as a failure you should reexamine it's real goals, which seem to me to be progressing very nicely. The globalizing tools are already amassed in the eastern Med and the China seas. After the war the remainder will be loyal globalists, forever and a day.

I always have to delve through your sarcasm Dark Beaver.. however for those who really think Globalism is working.. this is the state of affairs.. and yes the current paradigm is unsustainable and will lead to another World War.

Economic Nationalism, which is the opposite of Globalism.. does not mean isolationism. It is not against trade, foreign aid and industrial development for the 2nd and 3rd Worlds. It is a economic philosophy that supports an equitably shared wealth based on integrated national industrial economy.. as the foundation of the nation and its relationship with the rest of the world.

Globalism which ruling the world now is a predatory agenda that supports trading and financial interests... exploiting the poor, and gouging the better off nations.. by setting themselves as middle men in the production of goods.. placing themselves above nations and communities.. and extorting both to meet the demands of profit.

Re-distribution of wealth is a worthy goal on the national level.. but without a vital industrial economy there will be no wealth to share. We had a system in the post WW2 era that while not perfect, at least was governed by the objectives of equity and growth.. by way of progressive taxation, protection of domestic production and industrial development.

That has all fallen apart under the idiot shills for the Global Investment Organism (Mulroney, Chretien, Harper).. with Free Trade and regressive fiscal policies.. and put us into imminent peril of economic collapse.
 
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darkbeaver

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I always have to delve through your sarcasm Dark Beaver.. however for those who really think Globalism is working.. this is the state of affairs.. and yes the current paradigm is unsustainable and will lead to another World War.

Economic Nationalism, which is the opposite of Globalism.. does not mean isolationism. It is not against trade, foreign aid and industrial development for the 2nd and 3rd Worlds. It is a economic philosophy that supports an equitably shared wealth based on integrated national industrial economy.. as the foundation of the nation and its relationship with the rest of the world.

Globalism which ruling the world now is a predatory agenda that supports trading and financial interests... exploiting the poor, and gouging the better off nations.. by setting themselves as middle men in the production of goods.. placing themselves above nations and communities.. and extorting both to meet the demands of profit.

Re-distribution of wealth is a worthy goal on the national level.. but without a vital industrial economy there will be no wealth to share. We had a system in the post WW2 era that while not perfect, at least was governed by the objectives of equity and growth.. by way of progressive taxation, protection of domestic production and industrial development.

That has all fallen apart under the idiot shills for the Global Investment Organism (Mulroney, Chretien, Harper).. with Free Trade and regressive fiscal policies.. and put us into imminent peril of economic collapse.

We don't have an argument. I was writing from the perspective of the elite who know that Globalism is a screaming success story for them and as you have indicated an unmitigated disaster for the great majority. Nationalism was their enemy they never tire of preaching it's evils but again that is their perspective. A certain amount of national duplication and isolation is not a bad thing.
There is no short term remedy, that I can see, for the western deficit of manufacturing capacity which, it seems will require two decades of reconstruction to return to the four or five decades past level. That steady decline was planned and executed using the slow but steady boiling frog method. Three decades ago I marched against free trade because it was made perfectly clear to me that today we would be in the pickle just like we are. We don't manufacture our own shoes or socks.
Globalism has effectively murdered us, we're just to damn stupid to realize it.
I will argue about the equity and growth driven governance some other time. International banking is a very old game always played with the handy and sufficiently vaporous equity and growth handbook.
 

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Venezuelan Ministry of Information, via Reuters.

President Hugo Chávez smiles with his daughters, Rosa Virginia, right, and María Gabriela, while recovering from cancer surgery in Havana, in this photograph released by Venezuela's government on Friday.



In three of the photos Mr. Chávez is holding a copy of what Mr. Arreaza said was Thursday’s edition of Granma, the Cuban newspaper....
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/world/americas/venezuela-releases-first-pictures-of-chavez.html
 

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Now only if they can get him to breathe on his own... teach him how to talk... teach him how to walk.

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