Canada's treatment of Khadr should be

captain morgan

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Again your logic is sadly lacking (surely there is a Logic 1 course in your community).

Nice try at a deflection, but failed in it's effectiveness.


I don't have the facilities to board ANY Canadian (even Stephen Harper) so my inability to board Omar has nothing to do with this discussion.

Pretty funny coming from the guy whose heart bleeds for poor wee Omar.... Really, if you're that sympathetic to him, why don't you make some space in your home as to attend to his frail needs AND you get the added bonus of being able to keep an eye on him?

Unlike you I am not afraid of Omar.

Great - then you deal with this train-wreck of a human being at your own expense
 

JLM

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Then you are either very brave or very foolish...

This clip from the interview of another Muslim......

Ezra Levant - YouTube

That could be, but I don't think so! Perhaps you are equating 2012 with what happened in 2001! Even at that time I think Omar's beefs may have beeen more with systems and philosophies, than actual individuals!
 

DaSleeper

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That could be, but I don't think so! Perhaps you are equating 2012 with what happened in 2001! Even at that time I think Omar's beefs may have beeen more with systems and philosophies, than actual individuals!
So say it....."That you would be willing to have him move next door to you"
And with no EAO conditions...
 

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The Young Offenders Act (YOA) ... established the national age of criminal responsibility at 12 years old, and said that youths can only be prosecuted if they break a law of the Criminal Code (previously, youths could be prosecuted or punished solely on the grounds that it was in the youth's "best interests").

The act also indicated that the rights established in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms apply to youths as well.

Controversy dogged the act for many years. Many felt that the act's limit on a three-year detention sentence for youths was overly lax, and allowed youths to get unreasonably light sentences for murder or sexual assault.[1] This maximum was repeatedly increased, until in 1996 it was extended to a maximum of 10 years. That same year a provision was also made to allow 16-year-olds to be tried as adults in certain cases. Critics contended that this was "too harsh," as it made youths possible victims of life sentences.

The act also drew much criticism from the public for not charging young offenders under the age of 12 years, and for banning publication of the identities of youths who commit criminal acts, contending that the number of violent crimes committed by youths has dramatically increased, as have the number of repeat young offenders, since the act was passed


Khadr was 15
Oh oh, International law is so inconvenient, so now EAO is going to try and trot out Canadian law that isn't applicable, as SLM so succinctly pointed out twice now, lol.

I consider Khadr to be a threat to society less a result anti-West doctrine and propaganda during his youth and more as a consequence of torture and ill treatment since age 15.
Proof please.
 

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Nobody knows what happened in GITMO. Nobody knoooows.
Americans should have a problem with their government having secret detention centers where people have no recognized rights. Statements by those who survived their ordeal in Gitmo and other Black Ops sites all claim independently that they were subjected to or witnessed various forms of abuse (including rape), torture and likely murder.
Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape' - Telegraph

Also your government freely admits to assassinating a US citizen.
PressTV - Chomsky: Bush kidnapped & tortured, Obama murders

The US sounds like the Assad regime in Syria more and more.... So why is the US the greatest nation on the planet again? Are you proud of your government's rape, torture and murder?

If the Canadian government did this, I'd demand respect for international law, human rights, accountability and transparency.

"But Canadian Laws and procedures wouldn't have any bearing in another country anyway. If you smuggle hashish in Turkey be prepared to take a ride on the Midnight Express."

That's an awfully inconvenient little fact that you listed... And just before the Thanksgiving long weekend to boot

My point isn't that Canadian law applies to foreign governments within their borders. My point is that Canadian law applies to the Canadian government and must determine their actions regarding the abuse of Canadian citizens by foreign governments.

In this case the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms should have been the basis for how the Canadian government acted regarding a foreign government torturing a 15 year old Canadian child. The Canadian government did not represent Khadr's best interests as required by the Charter and instead cooperated with his torturers in violation of Khadr's Charter rights.

If the Canadian public allows the Canadian government to violate the Charter in Khadr's case, then they can violate it whenever it suits them and then the Charter becomes a meaningless piece of paper rather than a proud accomplishment.
 
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Americans should have a problem with their government having secret detention centers where people have no recognized rights. Statements by those who survived their ordeal in Gitmo all claim independently that they were subjected to various forms of abuse (including rape), torture and likely murder.
Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape' - Telegraph

Also your government freely admits to assassinating a US citizen.
PressTV - Chomsky: Bush kidnapped & tortured, Obama murders

The US sounds like the Assad regime in Syria more and more.... So why is the US the greatest nation on the planet again? Are you proud of your government's rape, torture and murder?

If the Canadian government did this, I'd demand respect for international law, human rights, accountability and transparency.

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So GITMO detainees claim independently that they were likely murdered? Neat trick! Do you have any other asinine comments to share?

Words, words, and propaganda from rapist, torturers, and killers themselves.

Nobody really knows what happened at GITMO. Nobody knooooows.
 

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Americans fought wars for their freedom and justice. Who would have thought that what was so hard won by sacrifice would be so easily dismissed by subsequent generations just by the government exploiting irrational fear and hate?
 

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Americans fought wars for their freedom and justice. Who would have thought that what was so hard won by sacrifice would be so easily dismissed by subsequent generations just by the government exploiting irrational fear and hate?


Here's a hint:

 

earth_as_one

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I oppose killing innocent civilians. Yes 9/11 was horrendous, but it doesn't justify the US government manipulating fear and hate into support for an unprovoked war, torture and murder.

The US government is responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian deaths in Iraq (the equivalent of @ 300 9/11's)... a country which had nothing to do with 9/11.

If you support your government's human rights abuses, which include illegal abductions, torture and murder, then maybe you should support changing your national anthem... As its words no longer represent the US since you've become the home of the fearful and land of irrational hatred.
 

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You either respect international laws regarding justice and human rights or you don't. The US has become no better than their adversaries when it comes to human rights abuses and killing innocent civilians. The case could be made that the US is responsible for far more human rights abuses and innocent civilian deaths than any of their adversaries...

I wouldn't be proud.
 

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You either respect international laws regarding justice and human rights or you don't. The US has become no better than their adversaries when it comes to human rights abuses and killing innocent civilians. The case could be made that the US is responsible for far more human rights abuses and innocent civilian deaths than any of their adversaries...

I wouldn't be proud.

Well that is you... and there you are.

But you know the deal. Nobody really knows what happened at GITMO. Nobody really knooooows.
 

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I just heard on the news that Stephen Harper is blocking any chance of Omar's early release. He's already done 11 years for a crime committed when he was 15, which I would be willing to bet exceeds the time ever served by a juvenile for a first degree murder, let alone a war time casualty. I've just totally lost any remaining respect I had for Harper. (Does anyone know Harpers email address?)
 

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I just heard on the news that Stephen Harper is blocking any chance of Omar's early release. He's already done 11 years for a crime committed when he was 15, which I would be willing to bet exceeds the time ever served by a juvenile for a first degree murder, let alone a war time casualty. I've just totally lost any remaining respect I had for Harper. (Does anyone know Harpers email address?)

I imagine its on a government website along with the email addresses of every other MP.
 

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His older brother made the choice to not go... Omar made a different decision



Unfortunately?



He is a terrorist, plain and simple. Call him a child terrorist, but in no way was he ever a soldier



The US (and Canada) gave him due process. The IED's he built offer no such opportunity



Our only 'duty' should be to construct the gallows for him



Wow.... I guess that makes 2 people that believe that there was no murder - you and Omar's mother

WOW. Do you have any idea what a capital punishment trial would cost?
I thought you worked in Finance, CM.