Canada's treatment of Khadr should be

[EagleSmack]

Not taking in account that he was finding NATO forces in Afghanistan?

Meh... whatever... he's your problem now.

 

[TenPenny]

Not taking in account that he was finding NATO forces in Afghanistan?

Meh... whatever... he's your problem now.

Is self defence only self defence when you're in a trailer park?

 

[JLM]

This is unlike any other release from our prison system. It deserves special considerations and careful forethought. This is not something for the Parole Board to be rubber stamping! I honestly don't think I have that much faith in our Parole Board to be honest with you!

I'm of the same mind there, I think one human weakness is that most of us want to see others succeed, while sadly there is a small percentage that won't.

 

[SLM]

I'm of the same mind there, I think one human weakness is that most of us want to see others succeed, while sadly there is a small percentage that won't.

Accepting reality doesn't mean giving up hope though; it just means your accepting what it is you're working with as opposed to wishful thinking.

 

[captain morgan]

Accepting reality doesn't mean giving up hope though;

There's an old expression:

You can polish a turd; but in the end, it's still a piece of sh*t

 

[JLM]

There's an old expression:

You can polish a turd; but in the end, it's still a piece of sh*t

But still has it qualities, like fertilizer! :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

But still has it qualities, like fertilizer! :smile:

Well, I can easily concede that... Khadr is the equivalent of a catastrophic breech at a sewage facility in a major city

 

[DaSleeper]

To all you liberal minded people who favor Khadar's release.......I have a question for you!

If he was to be released to live next door to you...would you still be of the same opinion????

Answer truthfully now......and no B.S.:lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

Is self defence only self defence when you're in a trailer park?

Are you really looking for an answer to that ridiculous question?

 

[TenPenny]

Are you really looking for an answer to that ridiculous question?

You've given me one, that's fine.

People are allowed to shoot and kill if they're threatened, unless it turns out to be the US military doing the threatening, in which case it makes you a terrorist.

I would think someone killing a guy on a street in Florida would be considered a terrorist, too.

 

[EagleSmack]

You've given me one, that's fine.

And what was it?

For that matter... what are you even talking about? A trailer park in Florida? wtf?

People are allowed to shoot and kill if they're threatened, unless it turns out to be the US military doing the threatening, in which case it makes you a terrorist.

What about the Canadian Military?

I would think someone killing a guy on a street in Florida would be considered a terrorist, too.

For real?

Okey dokey. Carry on.

 

[JLM]

Well, I can easily concede that... Khadr is the equivalent of a catastrophic breech at a sewage facility in a major city

Hey, Capt. I think a kind, affable fellow like yourself could make a contribution to society, set up a room as a "half way house" in your home, he could do light chores for you for an allowance and you could set a good example in deportment for him, by teaching him tolerance and a good work ethic! I'd jump at the opportunity myself, but it may be a little far from home for him & he might get home sick. :smile:

 

[CDNBear]

That said however, my bigeest problem are with those that pursue the argument that it wasn't a crime because Khadr was a (child) soldier... In no way can he be considered a soldier nor can he expect the rules to have any application to him.

That's the part all the terrorist apologist are having difficulty wrapping their little minds around.

Also, some of you appear to believe that the Canadian government can treat Canadians any way they want, provided they are outside Canada.

Can you point out where you see that?

FYI Canadian law and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is supposed to determine the Canadian government's response to a foreign government torturing a 15 year old Canadian citizen.

Correction, alleged torture, and he was not a boy.

Look, we get it, the only testimony that you believe, comes from your terrorist buddies or their lackeys.

Under Canada law you are a child until you attain the age of 19.

Canadian Law doesn't apply in Afghanistan.

People are allowed to shoot and kill if they're threatened, unless it turns out to be the US military doing the threatening, in which case it makes you a terrorist.

Omar was a terrorist long before any Armed Forces personnel shot at him.

 

[earth_as_one]

Neither here nor there, generally speaking you reach the age of legal adulthood when you reach the age of majority. Which varies by province, some 18 years and some 19 years. That's all I was speaking to, the age in which youth attain adulthood legally in Canada. Has nothing to do with maturity, I've got a couple of 30 year old cousins that can prove that.

I believe (to the best of my knowledge) that under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, youth can be tried as an adult being as young as 12 (maybe younger, I'm not sure), and it is presumed that seriously violent offenses committed by persons 16 years of age are tried in adult courts.

But Canadian Laws and procedures wouldn't have any bearing in another country anyway. If you smuggle hashish in Turkey be prepared to take a ride on the Midnight Express.

The Young Offenders Act (YOA) ... established the national age of criminal responsibility at 12 years old, and said that youths can only be prosecuted if they break a law of the Criminal Code (previously, youths could be prosecuted or punished solely on the grounds that it was in the youth's "best interests").

The act also indicated that the rights established in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms apply to youths as well.

Controversy dogged the act for many years. Many felt that the act's limit on a three-year detention sentence for youths was overly lax, and allowed youths to get unreasonably light sentences for murder or sexual assault.[1] This maximum was repeatedly increased, until in 1996 it was extended to a maximum of 10 years. That same year a provision was also made to allow 16-year-olds to be tried as adults in certain cases. Critics contended that this was "too harsh," as it made youths possible victims of life sentences.

The act also drew much criticism from the public for not charging young offenders under the age of 12 years, and for banning publication of the identities of youths who commit criminal acts, contending that the number of violent crimes committed by youths has dramatically increased, as have the number of repeat young offenders, since the act was passed

Khadr was 15

To all you liberal minded people who favor Khadar's release.......I have a question for you!

If he was to be released to live next door to you...would you still be of the same opinion????

Answer truthfully now......and no B.S.:lol:

IMO, Khadr might be a threat risk, but I'd estimate he would be a very low risk to neighbors. In fact I suspect he'd be a model neighbor... I consider Khadr to be a threat to society less a result anti-West doctrine and propaganda during his youth and more as a consequence of torture and ill treatment since age 15. (40% of his total life and all of his adult life)

After 10 + years of hell, I suspect Khadr has learned that the biggest statements require patience, careful planning and execution. I'd feel nervous anywhere near the US embassy a few months after his release.

For that reason, I am against Khadr's release into the general public. He must first be deemed no threat to society by competent mental health experts. Until then, he should be in a maximum security mental facility.

 

[DaSleeper]

To all you liberal minded people who favor Khadar's release.......I have a question for you!

If he was to be released to live next door to you...would you still be of the same opinion????

Answer truthfully now......and no B.S.:lol:

IMO, Khadr might be a threat risk, but I'd estimate he would be a very low risk to neighbors. In fact I suspect he'd be a model neighbor... I consider Khadr to be a threat to society less a result anti-West doctrine and propaganda during his youth and more as a consequence of torture and ill treatment since age 15. (40% of his total life and all of his adult life)

After 10 + years of hell, I suspect Khadr has learned that the biggest statements require patience, careful planning and execution. I'd feel nervous anywhere near the US embassy a few months after his release.

For that reason, I am against Khadr's release into the general public. He must first be deemed no threat to society by competent mental health experts. Until then, he should be in a maximum security mental facility.

I see a lot of your usual rambling and deflection there.....

A simple yes or no would suffice..

Would you be willing to have Khadr move next door to you?????

 

[captain morgan]

Hey, Capt. I think a kind, affable fellow like yourself could make a contribution to society, set up a room as a "half way house" in your home, he could do light chores for you for an allowance and you could set a good example in deportment for him, by teaching him tolerance and a good work ethic! I'd jump at the opportunity myself, but it may be a little far from home for him & he might get home sick. :smile:

You'd think that you being a supporter of this poor wee misunderstood victim that you'd be falling all over yourself on taking him into your loving bosom... But I see that you're not really prepared to put your money where your mouth is on this.

I see a lot of your usual rambling and deflection there.....

A simple yes or no would suffice..

Would you be willing to have Khadr move next door to you?????

I think JLM's response in terms of fobbing-off the issue is what you might expect from EAO on this.

 

[SLM]

The Young Offenders Act (YOA) ... established the national age of criminal responsibility at 12 years old, and said that youths can only be prosecuted if they break a law of the Criminal Code (previously, youths could be prosecuted or punished solely on the grounds that it was in the youth's "best interests").

The act also indicated that the rights established in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms apply to youths as well.

Controversy dogged the act for many years. Many felt that the act's limit on a three-year detention sentence for youths was overly lax, and allowed youths to get unreasonably light sentences for murder or sexual assault.[1] This maximum was repeatedly increased, until in 1996 it was extended to a maximum of 10 years. That same year a provision was also made to allow 16-year-olds to be tried as adults in certain cases. Critics contended that this was "too harsh," as it made youths possible victims of life sentences.

The act also drew much criticism from the public for not charging young offenders under the age of 12 years, and for banning publication of the identities of youths who commit criminal acts, contending that the number of violent crimes committed by youths has dramatically increased, as have the number of repeat young offenders, since the act was passed

Khadr was 15

So, and?

The overall context of the statement quoted being a talking point with regards to age/maturity/responsibility aside, the most applicable part of the statement, with regards to Canadian Laws (of any kind) pertaining to foreign lands, is below:

But Canadian Laws and procedures wouldn't have any bearing in another country anyway. If you smuggle hashish in Turkey be prepared to take a ride on the Midnight Express.

 

[captain morgan]

"But Canadian Laws and procedures wouldn't have any bearing in another country anyway. If you smuggle hashish in Turkey be prepared to take a ride on the Midnight Express."

That's an awfully inconvenient little fact that you listed... And just before the Thanksgiving long weekend to boot

 

[EagleSmack]

IMO, Khadr might be a threat risk, but I'd estimate he would be a very low risk to neighbors. In fact I suspect he'd be a model neighbor... I consider Khadr to be a threat to society less a result anti-West doctrine and propaganda during his youth and more as a consequence of torture and ill treatment since age 15. (40% of his total life and all of his adult life)

After 10 + years of hell, I suspect Khadr has learned that the biggest statements require patience, careful planning and execution. I'd feel nervous anywhere near the US embassy a few months after his release.

Nobody knows what happened in GITMO. Nobody knoooows.

 

[JLM]

I see a lot of your usual rambling and deflection there.....

A simple yes or no would suffice..

Would you be willing to have Khadr move next door to you?????

Actually you might be better off with him next door (that you know to keep an eye on) than someone you don't know. :smile:

You'd think that you being a supporter of this poor wee misunderstood victim that you'd be falling all over yourself on taking him into your loving bosom... But I see that you're not really prepared to put your money where your mouth is on this.




I think JLM's response in terms of fobbing-off the issue is what you might expect from EAO on this.

Again your logic is sadly lacking (surely there is a Logic 1 course in your community). I don't have the facilities to board ANY Canadian (even Stephen Harper) so my inability to board Omar has nothing to do with this discussion. Unlike you I am not afraid of Omar.