Canada: No longer a Democracy

[mabudon]

Good post QuebecFan, Bienvenue a CC aussi


whouda thunk, they AREN't all foaming-at-the-mouth separatists

Oh et desolee, mais mon francais est pauvre

 

[darkbeaver]

Cette crise est probablement la meilleure chose qui puisse arriver a ce pays.
Je suis d'accord avec cette coalition et a 3 ils ne peuvent faire pire que Harper.

Bien entendu, devant l'incompétence de harper a maintenir la confiance de la chambre il ne restait plus au autre parties qua reprendre les rennes du pays.

Harper va brandir l'épouvantaille du québec et les méchants séparatistes pour faire peur a tout l'ouest canadien.

Exactly, Harpers arrogant incompetance has cost him the confidence of the house and the lying neo-con must suffer the consequences for the good of all Canadians, especially the unborn.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Whew, that's about all I have to say to that, where do you get what you're smoking cos it seems AWESOME!!

Why is it that right wingers ALWAYS blame the left for "fear mongering" and then turn around and resort to it LARGE every time the going gets rough for them??

Mabodon, I sure wish I knew what Trex was smoking, I would like to try some of that.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Trex, as I have said elsewhere before, in a Parliamentary democracy (Canada or Britain), we do NOT elect a government, we only vote for an MP in our riding.

Government is decided after the election. If a party gets a majority, then it forms the government, simple. If a party gets a minority, in Canada it usually forms a government, but it doesn’t have that right. Opposition can topple the government any time they want.

You seem to think that because Harper got a minority, he is entitled to govern for four years, no matter what policies he pursues. You evidently have a complete misunderstanding of how a Parliamentary democracy works.

Harper did not earn the right to govern for four years; he would have earned that right if he had got a majority.

I don’t think you understand the difference between a majority and a minority government. A majority is guaranteed to serve a full term; a minority government may not serve a week. Especially if it is headed by an angry, bitter, partisan politician like Harper, he is lucky to serve as long as he has done.

And contrary to what you may think, a coalition government is fully as democratic as a minority government. If the coalition is successful in defeating Harper, they have every right to try to form a government. It is democracy at work.

 

[Cliffy]

Yup! The neo-cons are the only ones who should be allowed to play dirty (in their eyes).

 

[Risus]

Quebecfan,
La courtoisie dicte que vous signalez dans votre langue maternelle et puis en anglais de sorte que tous les membres puissent comprendre ce que vous dites. Personnellement je n'ai pas un problème comme j'ai vécu presque quarante ans au Québec. Respect, éraflure.


Quebecfan,
Courtesy dictates that you post in your native language and then in English so that all members can comprehend what you are saying. Personally I do not have a problem as I lived almost fourty years in Quebec. Regards, scratch.

But that is the problem with a lot of quebecors. No courtesy....

 

[scratch]

Rs,
It is standard to extend courtesy and respect in a situation such as this.

In my opinion.

regards,
scratch

 

[Socrates the Greek]

But that is the problem with a lot of quebecors. No courtesy....

Hey Risus, Quebecors have more courtesy than Harper and his Cons have...



Hé Risus, Quebecors ont plus de courtoisie que Harper et son Trompent ont...

 

[scratch]

Well put S.G.

regards
scratch

 

[Tyr]

Rs

But that is the problem with a lot of quebecors. No courtesy....

Huh????

You've probably never been further east than Scarborough or you wouldn't have even thought that. The further east you go from Tarawna the friendlier people are. That even includes St. John, NB, Colpy

My biggest fear is to be stuck an elevator somewhere on Bloor with a "pack" of Torontonians. You'd be able to hear a "pin" drop

 

[neallo]

So what happens, if this coalition is formed, 3 months later the liberal's choose a new party leader and thus he become's pm.

A political is party choosing the leader of the country, without the say of the people. That doesn't sound democratic to me...

 

[JLM]

So what happens, if this coalition is formed, 3 months later the liberal's choose a new party leader and thus he become's pm.

A political is party choosing the leader of the country, without the say of the people. That doesn't sound democratic to me...

A lot would depend on whether he is already an M.P. if not of course a bi- election would have to be held. My feeling is Dions "aspirations" of stepping down would be greatly diminished once he become P.M. - no hold on- that would be eliminated.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So what happens, if this coalition is formed, 3 months later the liberal's choose a new party leader and thus he become's pm.

A political is party choosing the leader of the country, without the say of the people. That doesn't sound democratic to me...

Really, Neallo, what is strange about that? That is what I have been saying all along, in Canada, we do not elect the government, we do not elect the Prime minister, we only vote for one MP.

One really has to wonder about the standard of civics education in Canadian schools (I am 58 years old and really not familiar with our school system any more). Do they teach in schools that Canadians elect their government? Or is that a bit of nonsense people pick up after wards.

Anyway, Neallo, what say did we have in electing Kim Campbell as the Prime minister? What say did we have in electing Turner as the PM? Brown is the PM of Britain, who elected him?

Those who insist on claiming that Canadians vote for the government, really would benefit from a lesson in civics.

 

[TenPenny]

So what happens, if this coalition is formed, 3 months later the liberal's choose a new party leader and thus he become's pm.

A political is party choosing the leader of the country, without the say of the people. That doesn't sound democratic to me...

That happens all the time. The political party chooses their leader, and he becomes PM until the next election. Kim Campbell was but one example, wasn't Turner another?

 

[JLM]

Yep, the leader is up to the card holding members, not the electorate.

 

[QuebecFan]

Coutoisie ?

Je serais d'accord en temps normal de tout ré écrire en anglais mais je me demande si par coutoisie les autres participants pourrais traduire leurs écrits en francais ?

Une question comme ca...

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Neallo, JLM, that is the difference between American and Canadian systems. After election, conservatives could have got rid of Harper, elected a new leader (say, Peter McKay) and he would have been the PM..

Or let us take really a journey into never never land. Let us suppose that after the election, Dion switched form Liberal to Conservatives. Then Conservatives elect Dion as their leader. Then Harper is out, Dion becomes the PM. This may sound totally wacky, but it would be perfectly constitutional and legal.

However, in USA, they elected Obama. Only his resignation will result in his not being the President, nothing else. Democrats may throw him out of the party, or he may voluntarily join the Republicans, may become independent, may be involved in scandal, nothing matters. People voted for Obama government and that is what they have for four years.

In Canada, they voted for an MP, nothing more.

 

[s_lone]

Coutoisie ?

Je serais d'accord en temps normal de tout ré écrire en anglais mais je me demande si par coutoisie les autres participants pourrais traduire leurs écrits en francais ?

Une question comme ca...

Que les membres de Canadian Content traduisent leurs textes en français est complètement absurde. Il y a une section ''Discussion Francophone'' pour les discussions française... Mais en dehors de ça, ce site est anglophone à TRÈS forte majorité...

Ce serait vraiment intéressant d'avoir plus de francophones sur ce site, mais ça n'arrivera pas de sitôt...

Rien ne t'empêche d'écrire en français, mais tu dois accepter d'être limité dans tes possibilités d'échanges...

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Neallo, JLM, that is the difference between American and Canadian systems. After election, conservatives could have got rid of Harper, elected a new leader (say, Peter McKay) and he would have been the PM..

Or let us take really a journey into never never land. Let us suppose that after the election, Dion switched form Liberal to Conservatives. Then Conservatives elect Dion as their leader. Then Harper is out, Dion becomes the PM. This may sound totally wacky, but it would be perfectly constitutional and legal.

However, in USA, they elected Obama. Only his resignation will result in his not being the President, nothing else. Democrats may throw him out of the party, or he may voluntarily join the Republicans, may become independent, may be involved in scandal, nothing matters. People voted for Obama government and that is what they have for four years.

In Canada, they voted for an MP, nothing more.

Dion has integrity he may lack charisma, but not in a million years he would join the rats that had puffins sh!tting on him.

Just a wacky thought Harper could cross the floor and become a Liberal after he gets the boot as Con leader.

 

[mit]

Every minority government is a coalition government - Harper had to use the action or inaction of the opposition to govern in the last session. He did not have enough seats for a majority. I am sure that the Bloq even voted with the government on some issues - That does not mean the Bloq was in bed with Harper.
Harper is going to pull the plug on parliament - not for an election but to inundate Canadians for 3 months with sound bites about why Harper needs a majority to protect us from the Bad Liberals and the Bloq devils.

I just wrote the GG - Asked her to look Mr Harper in the eye and ask "Why if your party knew of the talks about a coaltion prior to the fiscal update as evidenced by your release of the NDP caucus mtg did you include 3 items and only 3 items in your fiscal update that you knew would enflame the opposition and push them towards a coalition government? I say it is either a stupid act or a deliberate act and Steven Harper is not a stupid man. He caused this crap on purpose in my opinion and deserves a trip down the road to Stornaway!