Canada: No longer a Democracy

[scratch]

Coutoisie ?

Je serais d'accord en temps normal de tout ré écrire en anglais mais je me demande si par coutoisie les autres participants pourrais traduire leurs écrits en francais ?

Une question comme ca...

D'un point de courtoisie, les autres participants essayeraient leur meilleur pour te recevoir leur message mais ne feraient pas comme je fais. Dans mon opinion et avec tout le respect dû, vous êtes dans un forum qui est principalement les anglais et avec beaucoup de membres de Kingston à l'île de Vancouver. Personnellement je ne vois pas le point de cet exercice.
Quelques membres en réussiront échoueront. Il est pour que vous décidiez ce que c'est que vous souhaitez faire. Respect sincère, éraflure.



From a point of courtesy, the other participants would try their best to get their message to you but would not do as well as I do. In my opinion and with all due respect, you are in a forum that is predominantly English and with many members from Kingston to Vancouver Island. Personally I fail to see the point of this exercise.
Some members will succeed some will fail. It is for you to decide what it is that you wish to do. Sincere Regards, scratch.

 

[JLM]

Peter McKay doesn't "have it", Sir Rupe.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Nobody wantas the bloc to have that much of a say, neither Dion nor Layton is fit to lead the country<snip>

What would you be basing this assessment on I wonder?

The Bloc formed the official opposition 1993-1997, and the country did not crumble to dust...granted the Liberals won a majority then, but the point remains...

Dion is showing far more leadership in working with the rest of the opposition than Harper has by throwing hissy fits about socialists and separtists running the country...

Layton has shown extraordinary leadership in appealing to the other parties to put aside their differences and work towards a common goal of providing meaningful stimulus into our economy before it's too late.

Our electoral system is quite dynamic, and circumstances can change in the House that do not reflect what the electorate anticipated...

The truth is that the coalition in the form that has been agreed upon is far more representative of the government that we Canadians chose...

But the most compelling argument is that when we vote, we don't vote for a prime minister, or a government, we vote for a parliament, and the government is then formed by parliament.

This is exactly what we are seeing now, and is entirely democratic in law and principle.

 

[mit]

Kim Campbell was PM - Never chosen by the people
Paul Martin - PM before he faced the electorate
We do not have a vice president like they have in the states - leader is chosen by his/her party - plain and simple.

 

[scratch]

So mit, with all due respect to you, you are from where in SWO?

regards
scratch

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Every minority government is a coalition government - Harper had to use the action or inaction of the opposition to govern in the last session. He did not have enough seats for a majority. I am sure that the Bloq even voted with the government on some issues - That does not mean the Bloq was in bed with Harper.
Harper is going to pull the plug on parliament - not for an election but to inundate Canadians for 3 months with sound bites about why Harper needs a majority to protect us from the Bad Liberals and the Bloq devils.

I just wrote the GG - Asked her to look Mr Harper in the eye and ask "Why if your party knew of the talks about a coaltion prior to the fiscal update as evidenced by your release of the NDP caucus mtg did you include 3 items and only 3 items in your fiscal update that you knew would enflame the opposition and push them towards a coalition government? I say it is either a stupid act or a deliberate act and Steven Harper is not a stupid man. He caused this crap on purpose in my opinion and deserves a trip down the road to Stornaway!

Good call writing to the GG,

My letter to the GG

Madam GG mr. Harper called an election on the basis that parliament had reached levels of desfunctionalety, and on that basis he asked you to resolve parliament thus forcing an election, at the cost off $300 Million to the tax payer.
6 weeks after the election he has nothing for the people and instead picks the mother of all fights against the oppositions and against Government civil servants, while two days later he retracts from both.

Please spear the Canadian taxpayer from another election and allow the Coalition Government of the Liberals the NDP and the Block help Canada stay out of the harm we face from this bad global economy.
Madam GG I urge you to inform the PM that the opposition has no confidence on his Government…..
We the people more than 50% voted for a deferent party, please allow democracy to leave one more day.

Sincerely
Socrates.

 

[scratch]

Nice S.G. Well said.
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[SirJosephPorter]

Peter McKay doesn't "have it", Sir Rupe.

Doesn’t matter, JLM, I don’t see Harper ever resigning, either as the PM or as the Conservative leader. He will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from both.

 

[TenPenny]

Good call writing to the GG,

My letter to the GG

Madam GG mr. Harper called an election on the basis that parliament had reached levels of desfunctionalety, and on that basis he asked you to resolve parliament thus forcing an election, at the cost off $300 Million to the tax payer.
6 weeks after the election he has nothing for the people and instead picks the mother of all fights against the oppositions and against Government civil servants, while two days later he retracts from both.

Please spear the Canadian taxpayer from another election and allow the Coalition Government of the Liberals the NDP and the Block help Canada stay out of the harm we face from this bad global economy.
Madam GG I urge you to inform the PM that the opposition has no confidence on his Government…..
We the people more than 50% voted for a deferent party, please allow democracy to leave one more day.

Sincerely
Socrates.

I don't really want to be speared from another election, thanks. I cut my thumb putting up Christmas lights, that's enough pain.

 

[taxslave]

:?::?:Scratch: SInce you obviously speak french how about translating what your rather rude friend is saying?

 

[taxslave]

Neallo, JLM, that is the difference between American and Canadian systems. After election, conservatives could have got rid of Harper, elected a new leader (say, Peter McKay) and he would have been the PM..

Or let us take really a journey into never never land. Let us suppose that after the election, Dion switched form Liberal to Conservatives. Then Conservatives elect Dion as their leader. Then Harper is out, Dion becomes the PM. This may sound totally wacky, but it would be perfectly constitutional and legal.

However, in USA, they elected Obama. Only his resignation will result in his not being the President, nothing else. Democrats may throw him out of the party, or he may voluntarily join the Republicans, may become independent, may be involved in scandal, nothing matters. People voted for Obama government and that is what they have for four years.

In Canada, they voted for an MP, nothing more.

SiR Joe: Since we know that you are a Liberal supporter, how do you feel about about Eli May's claim that Dion will appoint her to the Senate and then to a cabinet position?

 

[Spade]

Surprisingly, a coalition representing over 60% of the population signifies a greater degree of "democracy" than a Conservative government elected by less than 40%.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I don't really want to be speared from another election, thanks. I cut my thumb putting up Christmas lights, that's enough pain.

:lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SiR Joe: Since we know that you are a Liberal supporter, how do you feel about about Eli May's claim that Dion will appoint her to the Senate and then to a cabinet position?

I don’t know if that is true or not, but even if true, it is a pie in the sky promise. We don’t yet know if the coalition will form a government or not.

If Parliament is prorogued, it may be March before it meets again. Will the opposition still stay united by then, for four months? We don’t know. One step at a time, let us see if coalition forms the government first. Unless that happens, the promise (even if it is true) means nothing.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

SiR Joe: Since we know that you are a Liberal supporter, how do you feel about about Eli May's claim that Dion will appoint her to the Senate and then to a cabinet position?

Good evening T.S , at least DEON is not a thug, who picks fights and runs...
No punn intended....May will do just fine, on the last debate she smoked Harper.....made him feel out of place..

 

[scratch]

Well taxslave,

What QuebecFan wants is for any member who choses to answer(hoping that a member will understand) to show courtesy by responding in the French language.

Now that is up to the membership as many understand the language but there are three levels to contend with: joele (guttural), regular French spoken on a daily basis and High Speech -- the very well educated and those that work for the government in Quebec City and surrounding areas.

So your choice.

regards,
scratch

 

[neallo]

Surprisingly, a coalition representing over 60% of the population signifies a greater degree of "democracy" than a Conservative government elected by less than 40%.

that fact is horribly wrong, seeing as how 40% of the population voted, wrong didn't vote.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SiR Joe: Since we know that you are a Liberal supporter, how do you feel about about Eli May's claim that Dion will appoint her to the Senate and then to a cabinet position?

I have never made a secret of the fact that I am a liberal. However, I have also said many times that I am not a Liberal, I don’t belong to Liberal party.

In this instance, I personally am not sure if the coalition will do a better job than Conservatives, I am ambivalent about the coalition attempt to form a government. However, I have big problems with Conservatives claiming that the whole thing is undemocratic, it is a coup, it is illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government, it is dictatorship etc.

That is total nonsense. Coalition forming a government is fully as democratic (perhaps even more so, since many more people voted for coalition than voted for Conservatives) as Conservatives forming the government.

Conservatives who claim to the contrary know that they are lying and hence are dishonest, or they don’t know they are lying and hence, are ignorant.

 

[lone wolf]

Even when the 'government' that gains the power wasn't voted in by the public?

Everyone who cast a ballot voted with a hope his/her mark might make a PM. The government WAS voted in by the public ... no matter how you want to manipulate it.

 

[JLM]

I have never made a secret of the fact that I am a liberal. However, I have also said many times that I am not a Liberal, I don’t belong to Liberal party.

In this instance, I personally am not sure if the coalition will do a better job than Conservatives, I am ambivalent about the coalition attempt to form a government. However, I have big problems with Conservatives claiming that the whole thing is undemocratic, it is a coup, it is illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government, it is dictatorship etc.

That is total nonsense. Coalition forming a government is fully as democratic (perhaps even more so, since many more people voted for coalition than voted for Conservatives) as Conservatives forming the government.

Conservatives who claim to the contrary know that they are lying and hence are dishonest, or they don’t know they are lying and hence, are ignorant.

There's coalitions and then there's coalitions, I'd be in favour of a coalition where the minority Gov't joins with another party of similar persuasion to form a majority- at least that is a constructive thing, not like the three stooges who are philisophically opposed & in it solely for their own gain.