Canada Failing to Put Climate Change Plans in Action

[petros]

How do you feel about the national debt that our children and grandchildren will be paying for ? Do you think it fair to leave a legacy of debt for future generations to pay ?

They won't have to worry. Everything will be fine. Somebody has to produce the 80,000,000bbls a day the Paris Accord says will be sustainable. Other countries will run out long before we do.

 

[JLM]

Fear mongering?




Okay.


I can tell you that the 'fear mongering' you mention isn't just fear mongering, rather truth telling. So, yaknow...

As for more important shit to worry about... glad you don't give two shytes for the future. I, on the other hand, do.

Right now the future is just an idea, of which there are thousands. We DON'T know what is going to happen!

 

[JLM]

The person responsible for the spill is legally required to clean it up . Unfortunately in this instance the responsible party died at the scene .

One good thing MAY come out of it. Some of the idiots opposed to a pipeline MAY actually start to THINK! (Don't hold your breath)

 

[pgs]

One good thing MAY come out of it. Some of the idiots opposed to a pipeline MAY actually start to THINK! (Don't hold your breath)

This probably has no bearing on pipeline .it sounds like delivery fuel .

 

[DaSleeper]

Fundy water levels have increased a foot+ in height since WWII and Nova Scotia will soon become an island.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/storm-maritime-provinces-1.5075448

No worries here Kapuskasing is somewhere around 215 meters above sea level

 

[Twin_Moose]

This probably has no bearing on pipeline .it sounds like delivery fuel .

Yes it was 40,000l of gasoline and 10,000l of diesel, gas not a big deal it will evaporate quickly, diesel a little more trouble some, just not that bad at 2000 gallons in a fast moving river it'll disperse rather quickly

 

[Twin_Moose]

Right now the future is just an idea, of which there are thousands. We DON'T know what is going to happen!

How are the oceans rising at the same time the ice caps are increasing? Is it still GW?

 

[Serryah]

Right now the future is just an idea, of which there are thousands. We DON'T know what is going to happen!

Sorry JLM, for this area, the future could be tomorrow.

I would rather prepare for the possible and have it not happen, than do nothing and see my entire area under water and people left stranded/left to die because there was nothing in place since "There's nothing to worry about".

There is LOTS to worry about here.

 

[JLM]

How are the oceans rising at the same time the ice caps are increasing? Is it still GW?

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[JLM]

This probably has no bearing on pipeline .it sounds like delivery fuel .

I was just speaking in generally terms as this accident illustrates well what CAN happen when you are hauling fuel on the highway as opposed to transporting it through a pipe.

 

[Twin_Moose]

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A Giant Glacier In Greenland Is Starting To Grow Back, But Don't Cheer Just Yet

Greenland Ice Sheet surface mass budget far, far higher than average

Must be displacement making the Ocean rise cause it can't be from melting

 

[Curious Cdn]

A Giant Glacier In Greenland Is Starting To Grow Back, But Don't Cheer Just Yet
Greenland Ice Sheet surface mass budget far, far higher than average
Must be displacement making the Ocean rise cause it can't be from melting

Yeah. Nova Scotia is "displacing" more than it used to, eh Archimedes?

 

[taxslave]

Fear mongering?

Okay.
I can tell you that the 'fear mongering' you mention isn't just fear mongering, rather truth telling. So, yaknow...
As for more important shit to worry about... glad you don't give two shytes for the future. I, on the other hand, do.

If you actually cared about the future you would be more concerned about maintaining a strong economy instead of worrying about fake climate change propaganda.

 

[taxslave]

No worries here Kapuskasing is somewhere around 215 meters above sea level

You should worry. Unless something dramatic happens you will not get oceanfront property in your lifetime.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Yeah. Nova Scotia is "displacing" more than it used to, eh Archimedes?

So tell me Einstein where is the rising water coming from if it's getting condensed in the North, above average rain/snowfall from evaporated fresh water? Or is it CO2 pellets liquifying in the atmosphere?

 

[Curious Cdn]

So tell me Einstein where is the rising water coming from if it's getting condensed in the North, above average rain/snowfall from evaporated fresh water? Or is it CO2 pellets liquifying in the atmosphere?

The World's alpine and continental glaciers are meeting, just as they have been for the last 12,000 years, pretty much continuously. There is nothing "fake news" or political or "prog" about it. Britain was a penninsula until 7000 years ago. Asia and Alaska were joined. The Grand Banks were islands. All of this happened during the flash few thousand years of our short 200,000 year history of our species.

No politics.

No "leftie" conspiracy.

No fake news. This is the continuous experpience of "us". It is going to continue, alas, until the land that half of humanity lives on is inundated.

It is likely that 7,000,000,000 of us are accelerating the process somewhat but if none of us were alive, sea levels would still be going up. "Displacement" is silly.

 

[Twin_Moose]

So the NASA report and the 2 articles I just posted are BS?

 

[Curious Cdn]

So the NASA report and the 2 articles I just posted are BS?

I guess.

Note that I did not even mention CO2 levels. I don't have to. Melting has been going on continuously,steadily since tye Paleolithic period.

 

[Twin_Moose]

The new concern about rising water is the rate the ice is melting in Greenland and the far north, but if the ice packs are actually starting to regrow wouldn't that mean the sea levels should recede? In this article it is saying the NA water is rising due to the change in the arctic stream warmer water coming in closer to land and expanding the density/elasticity of the water, while the rest of the world is not seeing the drastic rise.

Are the Oceans Rising?

Around 20,000 years ago as the last ice age relinquished its grip on the planet, enormous sheets of land ice began melting. Over several thousand years, the melt waters filled the oceans, raising sea level around 120 meters (394 feet) to near present-day levels. The rise leveled off about 3,000 years ago, and since the rate of sea level rise has hovered near 1 millimeter (.04 inches) per year.

In the 20th century, the rise began to accelerate. Today, the IPCC plots annual sea level increase at around 3 millimeters (0.12 inches) per year, likely due to thermal expansion of water and melting land ice as a result of global climate change.

Where will things go from here? Hard to say. One of the main problems with estimating future sea levels is that scientists don't entirely understand how quickly past sea level changes occurred, which would give them a model to work from.

Until researchers have more precise data at their fingertips, Horton thinks it's impossible to precisely gauge sea level rise.

But what about the IPCC's global sea level projections of an added 30 to 75 inches (75 to 190 centimeters) by 2100?

"Global sea level rise is commonly misinterpreted as the sea level change where (one lives)," Horton said.

In other words, a global average is just that - an average.
Some locations will bear a greater brunt of sea level change, which Horton says depends on three main factors: tectonic activity, glacial isostatic adjustment and land subsidence.

All three deal with natural land movements that either increase or decrease the sea level at any given location.

In addition to land shifts caused by tectonic plate movement, land masses that sat beneath huge sheets of ice have also uplifted in a process called glacial isostatic adjustment, or post-glacial rebound.

"The northeastern U.S. coast is very likely to experience the fastest and largest sea level rise this century due to the change in the North Atlantic Ocean circulation," said Jianjun Yin, a research scientist at Florida State University.

Yin has studied the potential impact of changing ocean currents on sea level, which until fairly recently, had gone unnoticed as a contributor to the water rise.

In a nutshell, as the global temperatures rise and warm the waters, the northern current that heads toward the chilly North Atlantic might slow down and initiate a literal ripple effect to the south, exacerbating the sea level rise along the eastern U.S. coastline.

"Ocean circulation is projected to cause 20 centimeters (7.8 inches) extra sea level rise on top of the global mean sea level rise along the northeastern U.S. coast during this century," Yin said.

"The effect of ocean currents and prevailing winds on seal level is realistically represented in models," Yin said. "However, models are still unable to predict the land ice contribution to sea level rise through the dynamical process. This results in a wide range of future sea level rise predictions."

Horton at the University of Pennsylvania emphasizes that people should take global sea level rise estimates with a grain of salt at this point.

"Sea level rise isn't simple," Horton said. "It's region-specific; it's spatially variable; it's land-specific and ocean-specific."

So there are many factors to consider not just GW, but every article I've read points to dramatic rise due to melting ice if the ice isn't melting and in fact expanding is the rise actually happening in the most recent models or do new models need to be made?

 

[Serryah]

If you actually cared about the future you would be more concerned about maintaining a strong economy instead of worrying about fake climate change propaganda.

Except I am watching the climate change right before my eyes, in this very area.

Besides, worrying about one does not mean I exclude worrying about the other. Both are equally worrisome and it is possible to feel that way. Just sorry that you're a one issue kind'a person.