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CDNBear

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I'm simply providing evidence to highlight how silly your view is.
Again, it's your view, but that's besides the point.

I know how you like to ignore things that don't support your agenda, but...

Just like I have to have welding tickets to be legally allowed to weld on certain materials, structures, and so on. Furthermore, my licenses, permits and certs, make me distinctive, ie: special status. Which means I can right off certain things, get tax breaks, and purchase things under my business, in ways others can't.

You can call each one in Alberta if you want. You seem to have lots of time on your hands
I realize how much importance you place on me, but the topic is the special status of VFF's. Not my time wasting.

Never heard of it. Must be an eastern thing. Here in Alberta, VFD's fall under the jurisdiction of municipalities and department's by themselves don't have alot of autonomy. Our association has membership in the Welcome to Alberta Fire Fighters Association and Alberta Fire Chiefs Association
Ya, that was a typo. I meant the VFFA.

Why would the VFFA have guidelines on rejection letters, if they have no prerequisites?

Why does the VFFA give guidance on hiring practices?

In Alberta, a deep search Police check, and health exam, are mandatory, for all VFF's.

Your claim is, all you have to do is ask to join. Insinuating, poof, you get to be a VFF.

Ya we have SmartServe here in Ontario. That's all great and all, but isn't that like moving the goalposts?

You did say waitresses. Now you want to focus on one category of waitress.
 
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Cannuck

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Just like I have to have welding tickets to be legally allowed to weld on certain materials, structures, and so on. Furthermore, my licenses, permits and certs, make me distinctive, ie: special status. Which means I can right off certain things, get tax breaks, and purchase things under my business, in ways others can't.

Yup, you're special...just like everybody else

I realize how much importance you place on me, but the topic is the special status of VFF's.

Yes it is. You have made the claim that because Burlington has prerequisites for volunteer firefighters, that means not everybody can be a volunteer firefighter and therefore volunteer firefighters enjoy some kind of special status. I have merely shown that pilots have special status, garbage collectors have special status special and waitresses have special status. You have chosen to add welders.

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

Now that that is settled, we can move on to why I think it's a bad idea to give tax credits to VFFs if you would like.
 

CDNBear

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Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.
I'm glad you finally admit that.

Thanks.

You have made the claim that because Burlington has prerequisites for volunteer firefighters, that means not everybody can be a volunteer firefighter and therefore volunteer firefighters enjoy some kind of special status.
The VFFA has similar mandatory requirements.

By the way, thats only 1 requirement. You said at least as many as would preclude volunteering as a VFF.

But all that's moot now that you admit that there are no special status people in Canada.
 

Cannuck

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The VFFA has similar requirements, but that's moot now that you admit that there are no special status people in Canada.

LOL...only you would try to make such a feeble leap in logic....or are you having problems with context again?
 

CDNBear

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LOL...only you would try to make such a feeble leap in logic....or are you having problems with context again?
What? The only feeble leap in logic, is the claim that anyone can be a VFF. Not even your own unit has no prerequisites. As you claimed.

Lets examine the context shall we, your exact words were...

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

Since not everyone has the exact same special status, ie: I would have to get crippled to get a disability tax break. Or meet Alberta's minimum requirements to be a VFF, but don't.

I have a different special status as a licensed welder. Meaning I enjoy an equal special status, to you.

Which is what has been said.

You even qualified what you meant here...

I have merely shown that pilots have special status, garbage collectors have special status special and waitresses have special status. You have chosen to add welders.

So unless you wish to move the goalpost. You absolutely agree, that no one is excluded from special statuses. They just have a different special status.
 
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What? The only feeble leap in logic, is the claim that anyone can be a VFF. Not even your own unit has no prerequisites. As you claimed.
Lets examine the context shall we, your exact words were...
Since not everyone has the exact same special status, ie: I would have to get crippled to get a disability tax break. Or meet Alberta's minimum requirements to be a VFF, but don't.
I have a different special status as a licensed welder. Meaning I enjoy an equal special status, to you.
Which is what has been said.
You even qualified what you meant here...
So unless you wish to move the goalpost. You absolutely agree, that no one is excluded from special statuses. They just have a different special status.
Bear I believe this is called a-
 

Cannuck

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What? The only feeble leap in logic, is the claim that anyone can be a VFF. Not even your own unit has no prerequisites. As you claimed.

Lets examine the context shall we, your exact words were...



Since not everyone has the exact same special status, ie: I would have to get crippled to get a disability tax break. Or meet Alberta's minimum requirements to be a VFF, but don't.

I have a different special status as a licensed welder. Meaning I enjoy an equal special status, to you.

Which is what has been said.

You even qualified what you meant here...



So unless you wish to move the goalpost. You absolutely agree, that no one is excluded from special statuses. They just have a different special status.

Nice try. LOL.
 

JLM

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Where do you draw the line between garbage collector and hoarder?

Better ask someone who's hoard! :lol:

No kidding - I know I am completely unqualified to be a waitress! :lol:

Ooooooooooh Canknucklehead- I thought "red notches" meant that you disagreed with the post...............is there anything you aren't prepared to argue about? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

JLM

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Better ask someone who's hoard! :lol:



Ooooooooooh Canknucklehead- I thought "red notches" meant that you disagreed with the post...............is there anything you aren't prepared to argue about? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Another notch, Cannuck! I know people who have few useful talents resort to bizarre behaviour, but you notched two posts and I'm not sure which one or both you object to. :lol::lol::lol:
 

Bar Sinister

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Can you explain to me WHY you feel you are entitled to this money simply due to age? Unlike the CPP, where you actually pay into a pension plan for your retirement, OAS is simply a "prize" for reaching 65 or older. If you live to 64 years 364 days, sorry you don't qualify for anything. This isn't monopoly and you get a prize for getting around the board. If this is a social program, then lump all the money together and give it to the neediest group.

Besides, if $6,500 a year is such a huge burden after 65 years of age then in most cases, people did a horrible job in retirement planning. For those that truly need the money there is social assistance.

I say get rid of OAS.

Perhaps it would be useful if you explained the difference between OAS and social assistance. If there is already a program in place to help those over the age of 65 why replace it with another?

I can remember my mother finally getting OAS at age 65. She had never worked (if you can call raising six children prior to the era of daycare not working) and so had never contributed to any pension plan. She did involve herself in unpaid work outside the home, actually becoming President of the New Brunswick Red Cross, but of course, such work does not result in a pension. Once she was receiving OAS, for the first time in her life she did not have to hold out her hand to my father whenever she wanted to buy something for herself or for other members of her family. This relatively small payment made an enormous difference in her life.
 

CDNBear

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Nice try. LOL.
Are these not your own words?

I have merely shown that pilots have special status, garbage collectors have special status special and waitresses have special status. You have chosen to add welders.

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

If you didn't mean to say exactly what you said there. Maybe you can apologize for that misleading post, and clarify what you really meant.
 
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