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[tibear]

Perhaps it would be useful if you explained the difference between OAS and social assistance. If there is already a program in place to help those over the age of 65 why replace it with another?

I can remember my mother finally getting OAS at age 65. She had never worked (if you can call raising six children prior to the era of daycare not working) and so had never contributed to any pension plan. She did involve herself in unpaid work outside the home, actually becoming President of the New Brunswick Red Cross, but of course, such work does not result in a pension. Once she was receiving OAS, for the first time in her life she did not have to hold out her hand to my father whenever she wanted to buy something for herself or for other members of her family. This relatively small payment made an enormous difference in her life.

I see OAS as simply a "bonus prize" for living at least 65 years. I don't see how Canadians tolerate such an unfair payment of money to a designated portion of the population. How would the population feel if suddenly the government was to decide that they were giving $6,500 a year to people in Ontario just because they live in Ontario. No other qualifications are necessary and no other citizens qualify.

It's a joke, but of course no politician will do anything about it because they are afraid of the backlash from the seniors that are currently collecting or about to collect.

If OAS is truly needed by those on a "fixed" income, then it shouldn't be called Old Age Security it should be lumped in the social assistance program and given to the seniors through that program. It would eliminate duplication of workers and one program would completely disappear.

The vast majority of seniors don't need the money but treat it as "play money".

 

[Cannuck]

Are these not your own words?

Yes, taken out of context which you love to do. "Special status" is your term not mine as you are the one that claimed VFF were given special status.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes, taken out of context which you love to do. "Special status" is your term not mine as you are the one that claimed VFF were given special status.

Your beloved cherry picking aside. I may have brought the term special status in to the argument, but you ran with it, and have used it no less than 12 times. Even qualifying it with your commentary I quoted, and you applied special status to other segments of the populace.

If as you claim, I've taken your words out of context, by all means show us all where, and/or correct the issue. I can only go by your words, and your words are...

I have merely shown that pilots have special status, garbage collectors have special status special and waitresses have special status. You have chosen to add welders.

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

 

[Cannuck]

So you equate giving tax credits with special status. Looks like everybody in Canada has special status so what's your point?

As I said, it's your term, not mine.

 

[CDNBear]

As I said, it's your term, not mine.

Your continued cherry picking and dodging aside. I understand I brought the term special status into the argument, but you used it, and qualified your use of it. That isn't in question.

What is in question is, the context of...

I have merely shown that pilots have special status, garbage collectors have special status special and waitresses have special status. You have chosen to add welders.

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

Which I even agree with you on.

Would you like to see the quote, where you claim I took that out of context?

Now, can you clear up how I took that out of context?

 

[DaSleeper]

What happened to his neg button???
Just to happy to have someone pay attention to him I guess:lol:

 

[Cannuck]

...the canadian government is not giving "special status" to anybody.

Your whole line is out of context.

 

[CDNBear]

Your whole line is out of context.

Your moving of the goalposts aside. Lets stay focused on what you did say/claim. Your original clam was, I took this out of context.

I have merely shown that pilots have special status, garbage collectors have special status special and waitresses have special status. You have chosen to add welders.

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

Can you explain how I took that out of context please?

 

[Cannuck]

Your moving of the goalposts aside. Lets stay focused on what you did say/claim. Your original clam was, I took this out of context.

That wasn't my original claim. Why do you have to lie?

Is it that difficult for you to simply admit that VFFs are not getting "special status"?

 

[CDNBear]

That wasn't my original claim. Why do you have to lie?

Ok, you want to use deflection to avoid explaining how you came to make your claim. OK, I can work with that...

You quoted...

But all that's moot now that you admit that there are no special status people in Canada.

And relied with...

LOL...only you would try to make such a feeble leap in logic....or are you having problems with context again?

How is that a leap in logic, when you said this?...

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

Is it that difficult for you to simply admit that VFFs are not getting "special status"?

You already said everybody...

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

Which I agree with.

Why all of a sudden are you narrowing the scope, dodging, moving goalposts and deflecting? Instead of just explaining how I took that out of context?

 

[Cannuck]

The discussion is about tax credits. Your claim is that these give people "special status". I was under the impression that you knew how the system worked. I guess I just overestimated your knowledge of the issue.

As I said, it is your term, not mine.

 

[CDNBear]

As I said, it is your term, not mine.

That's irrelevant, you used it, you even agreed with me on the use of it, and then qualified your use of it.

Why is it so hard for you to admit you agree with me on something?

 

[Cannuck]

That's irrelevant.

Of course it's not.

Anywho...As entertaining as your mindless blathering is, the golf course beckons.

 

[CDNBear]

Of course it's not.

I can fully understand why you would want us all to think that. Unfortunately, you used the term, agree with me on the term, and then qualified your use of the term.

When you said...

Clearly everybody has special status and if everybody is special then nobody is special.

I absolutely agree with you here.

Why are you back pedaling from you comment now?

Anywho...As entertaining as your mindless blathering is, the golf course beckons.

Your predicted claim aside. Insults now?

I guess that pretty much concludes the discussion, since you've offered no evidence that I took your commentary out of context, and you have nothing but insults left.

Tsk, tsk.

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I can fully understand why you would want us all to think that. Unfortunately, you used the term, agree with me on the term, and then qualified your use of the term.

When you said...

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But never forget. He's just being sarcastic. He's only here for entertainment. Blah, blah, well you know the rest.

Yep. Which I predict he will claim in short order.

Time stamps can be confirmed by SLM.

 

[SLM]

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Time stamps can be confirmed by SLM.

Absolutely. Confirmed.

Edit: But seriously. OLG. Focus dammit, focus!

 

[Machjo]

Guess it did not interest those that are left of center.

As to the OAS - Should have reduced the clawback level.

As to MP's Pensions - Nothing till the next election - BullShxt

Tory budget slashes $5.2-billion in spending, gives boomers a pass on OAS - The Globe and Mail

Tory budget axes 19,200 public-service jobs - The Globe and Mail

Military, aid and diplomacy face deep cuts in Tory budget - The Globe and Mail

Budget 2012: Canadians under 54 will wait longer to get old age pensions | News | National Post

CBC takes a 10% cut in the Canada Budget 2012 | News | National Post

I have to say that I appreciate the Conservatives not holding back too many sacred cows by also cutting back on the military.

I'd like to see them roll back on official bilingualism though that won't happen this mandate because it would require opening up the constitution, something they promissed not to do. But this is a good start.

As for the CBC, they ought to scrap its funding and privatize it.

But not touching their own pensions was a bit of a dirty trick.

 

[Kreskin]

Considering this happens in 2023 I wouldn't be etching the plan onto Mt Rushmore anytime soon. It's likely not the last time it will be up for debate and consideration.

 

[JLM]

But not touching their own pensions was a bit of a dirty trick.

Actually, I listened to an interview on C.B.C. with Jim Flaherty yesterday and the politicians are getting a wake up call on their pensions too. Now they are only funding about 14% of their pension premiums, but in a year or two they will be funding 50%. Apparently there's contracts to honour for another year until they expire. :smile:

 

[Machjo]

Actually, I listened to an interview on C.B.C. with Jim Flaherty yesterday and the politicians are getting a wake up call on their pensions too. Now they are only funding about 14% of their pension premiums, but in a year or two they will be funding 50%. Apparently there's contracts to honour for another year until they expire. :smile:

OK, fair enough.

 

[DaSleeper]

Of course it's not.
Anywho...As entertaining as your mindless blathering is, the golf course beckons.

I wonder who Jim-bo is replacing.....;-)
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