B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

AnnaG

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The guy's logic is faulty and he is misleading.
He says that scientists say that no fossils have been found below approximately 16,000 feet and we get oil from deeper than that. Fossils (crude is made from vegetation that's been under bacteriological activity, extreme pressure, and heat. It is a fossil product, not a fossil.
Charismatic old fart, though. He looks like the old colonel guy from MASH.
 

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Oh I see, so the liquified T-Rexs and forests defy the pressures and heat and sink far below 16,000 feet when they couldn't be pushed under in the solid form. Isn't it odd that the oil in the gulf is flowing in the opposite direction illogically? The old guy even tried to tell us some cock and bull story about the origin of the term "fossil fuel" eh but we aren't fooled are we annag?
 

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Oh I see, so the liquified T-Rexs and forests defy the pressures and heat and sink far below 16,000 feet when they couldn't be pushed under in the solid form. Isn't it odd that the oil in the gulf is flowing in the opposite direction illogically? The old guy even tried to tell us some cock and bull story about the origin of the term "fossil fuel" eh but we aren't fooled are we annag?
What are you babbling about? Squeeze and heat a veggie till it becomes a liquid and then pour it into a bucket of rocks. You'll see it ooze down to the bottom. Not put a chunk of shale in the bucket on top of the rocks and watch it settle to the bottom of the bucket.
WTF are you babbling about the direction of oil in the gulf?
And who cares what the origin of the term "fossil fuel" is?

(FYI:
fossil 1610s, "obtained by digging" (adj.), from Fr. fossile, from L. fossilis "dug up," from fossus, pp. of fodere "to dig," from PIE base *bhedh- "to dig, pierce." Noun sense of "geological remains of a plant or animal" is from 1736; slang meaning "old person" first recorded 1859. Fossil fuel (1835) preserves the earlier, broader sense. Related: Fossilized; fossilizing.
Online etymology dictionary.)
 
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"Cries From The Gulf" Video a Potent Reminder of Fallacy of 'Drill Baby Drill'

The damage inflicted on the Gulf of Mexico from the BP blowout goes far beyond the ecological and economic impacts this catastrophe has wrought on the region. As evidenced painfully well in the video below, residents of the Gulf states are suffering from the horrifying realization that their beaches could be closed indefinitely, their family businesses ruined by BP's negligence, and their lives forever tainted with the memory of Sarah Palin's 'Drill Baby Drill' chant ringing in their ears while their eyes bare witness to every reason why we must rapidly move beyond our addiction to dirty and dangerous oil.
Written in the form of an open letter to the darling of tea partiers and dirty energy interests, Sarah Palin, "Cries From The Gulf" captures the raw heartbreak of the millions of Gulf Coast residents impacted by the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Check out the video, "Cries From The Gulf," by Gulf Coast native Lea Morris below.

YouTube - "Cries From The Gulf" by Lea Morris

Here is the transcript of the open letter to Sarah Palin from "Cries From The Gulf."
Cries From the Gulf
by K. Lea Morris
"Drill Baby Drill" Isn't that what you said? I remember the chill that ran up my spine the first time I heard it. Then came the chanting. Louder...Louder...Frightening. I couldn't imagine that anything more painful would ever fall on my ears. I was wrong.
Today I would give anything to hear your battle cry because your ear-splitting directive has been muffled to an inaudible hum by something far louder, far more painful to hear. Today the chants from your chorus of oil-hungry followers has been replaced a thousand times over by the cries and sobs of my neighbors in mourning. Sobbing. Weeping. Gasping for breath. The sounds of hearts breaking, of lives shattering. Deafening.
I was sitting in a hotel room on a business trip when I heard the first cry. A faint hint at what was to come. A passing news story, or so I thought. An explosion on an oil rig in the Gulf. 11 dead. How terrible. Those poor people. Their poor families.
In the days and weeks to follow the cries got louder and more desperate with each passing day, with each update, with each revelation, with each failed attempt at controlling the hemorrhaging. And today I sit weeping with my neighbors. Inconsolable.
We all see the stories and I can't imagine anyone denying this to be a terrible tragedy, but let me tell you what it feels like. As a Gulf Coast native, it's like standing in the street in front of your childhood home and helplessly watching it burn to the ground. All of your favorite memories diminished to ashes.
Only it's not just my home that's burning. It's my family's home, my friend's homes. My co-workers and neighbors. It's the homes of every person I ever went to school with, or went to church with, or stood behind in line at the grocery store, or sat next to at a traffic light on my way to work...or on my way to the beach.
All these people stand with me, hand-in-hand, stretched from our sugar-white shores of Florida, to the wildlife-rich marshes of Louisiana, and beyond. Our weeping has long-since drowned out your chanting. And you're still chanting. Despite our pleading and praying, you are still chanting.
We are the ones you have referred to as "Extreme Greenies" in your self-righteous postings and sound bites. Well, forgive us for knowing a bad thing when we saw it. Forgive us for not believing you in 2008 when you condescendingly told Joe Biden that off-shore drilling was safe and "environmentally friendly." Forgive us for getting a little angry when still today we hear you defend and promote the very thing that has stripped us of our homes, our livelihoods, our beautiful,
defenseless wildlife. Forgive us if we don't enjoy watching Mother Earth being raped...and then spit on as she writhes in pain. Forgive us if we never want to see this happen again. Not in our backyard. Not in anyone's backyard. Not even in yours.
Do you remember the sense of pride that came over you as the convention center roared with the voices of thousands chanting? Drill, Drill, Drill. Do you remember the smiles and the fists pumping? Drill, Drill, Drill. Do you remember the ringing in your ears and the chanting so loud you could feel it in your chest? I'm sure you remember it like it was yesterday. I know I do. My neighbors do too.
I remembered it when my niece sadly returned from the beach last week. I remembered your chant, because at 3 years old she knew that was her last trip to the beach before the oil hit. No 3-year-old should understand that. I remember it with every gust of wind that stings my nose. I remember it with every news story. Every picture of our dead and dying fish. Our suffocating pelicans. Every second of live footage from the Gulf floor of our Earth bleeding.
Don't chant to me. Don't chant to my neighbors. We're busy trying to heal the brokenness inside of us. We're busy starting over, cleaning up the mess and picking up the pieces. Don't you dare chant to us.
 

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Anadarko, the firm with a 25% share in the Macondo well, is jumping ship and throwing BP under the bus:

"The mounting evidence clearly demonstrates that this tragedy was preventable and the direct result of BP's reckless decisions and actions. Frankly, we are shocked by the publicly available information that has been disclosed in recent investigations and during this week's testimony that, among other things, indicates BP operated unsafely and failed to monitor and react to several critical warning signs during the drilling of the Macondo well. BP's behavior and actions likely represent gross negligence or willful misconduct and thus affect the obligations of the parties under the operating agreement," continued Hackett.
 

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Watch BP's CEO get forced to retire and accept a miserable little multiple million dollar severance package. Poor guy.
 

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Watch BP's CEO get forced to retire and accept a miserable little multiple million dollar severance package. Poor guy.

Leave the poor gay alone...he just wants to get back to his life.

As do the people who are watching their environment and businesses destroyed.
 

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Loudmouth Yanks, with gobs as wide as the Grand Canyon and with nothing useful issuing forth from them, continue to utter their anti-British platitudes because an Anglo-American company which is more American than British has spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

And America's joke of a President, who is getting more unpopular everyday, even compares this oil spill to 9/11, which must offend hundreds of families.

Does Obama really believe that an ACCIDENTAL oil slick is on the same scale as a deliberate terrorist attack which killed almost 3000 people?

You would think that with such a comparison, and with Tony Hayward's disgraceful treatment by a US Senate committee, that BP had caused this oil slick on purpose!

And all this comes at a time when it's revealed that British troops are dying at a rate of four times that of US troops in Afghanistan. If the US people as a whole don't start to grow up a bit (it's not the first time that US adults have acted like adolescents) and remember that there was no similar anti-Americanism from the British when the US-owned Piper Alpha oil rig exploded off the British coast in 1988 killing 167 people, then Great Britain will pull its troops out of Afghanistan to leave the US effectively on its own.

Brit bashing is Barack Obarmy

18/06/2010
The Mirror


By Tony Parsons


Anti-British: Obama removed the bust of Winston Churchill, which Britain gave to the US as a gift following 9/11, from the Oval Office when he came to power

Future historians will not ask if President Barack Obama was anti-British – they will wonder exactly how anti-British.

We are accustomed to US leaders who are rather fond of the Brits.

Baby-boomers like Clinton and Bush were listening to Exile On Main Street and Abbey Road as they ducked the draft for the Vietnam War.

An earlier generation of American Presidents like John F Kennedy and George Bush Senior fought alongside the British in the Second World War. Obama is very different.

Reading his book, Dreams From My Father, you are struck repeatedly by his deep antipathy towards the British. Their arrogance in colonial Africa. The cruelty towards the Mau Mau in Kenya. The racism of the British, who called Obama’s Kenyan grand­father “boy”, even when he was an old man (if you choose to believe Obama's story, that is).

A lot of this is understandable in a man of his heritage.

But it’s ironic Obama seems to bear such a grudge about the Empire while apparently willing to forgive and forget 500 years of slavery in America. If he wants to see what institutionalised racism looks like, then US history is not a bad place to start.

Almost his first act upon entering the Oval office was to remove a bust of Winston Churchill given to the American people in the aftermath of 9/11.


BP is about as British as a Big Mac

It was a petty and ungracious little act. But Obama’s anti-British prejudice runs deep and now it has finally been allowed to run amok.

Obama’s reaction to the BP oil spill has been hysterical. Despite his loony repetition of the name "British Petroleum", the company has not actually been called British Petroleum for 12 years, since merging with American oil company Amoco. BP is about as British as a Big Mac. It is an Anglo-American company, with more US employees than British.

So why rabbit on about “British Petroleum”? Because Obama – increasingly unpopular in his own country – bizarrely wants to put an entire nation in the dock for the failings of one multinational.

But the average Brit has as much responsibility for the BP oil spill as the ordinary American has for the Union Carbide gas explosion in Bhopal, India, that has blighted a generation. Which is none at all.

Brits sympathise with Americans who are suffering from this environmental catastrophe. Most of us hope people who suffer get every dollar of compensation they deserve.

But it is nothing to do with us, buddy.

The majority of BP’s employees are American. A large chunk of the company is US-owned.

And comparing the oil spill with 9/11, as Obama has done, is plain barmy.

Those attacks were a ­deliberate and coldly calculated mass murder of more than 3,000 people.

Does Obama really think BP wanted the oil spill?

Obama was once very popular in Britain. I do not think it is overstating the case to say there was real love for him here. But he has never been keen on the British. And he never will be.

Now the affection the British people felt for Obama is fading fast. I suspect it has less to do with his “British Petroleum” rants and more to do with his total lack of gratitude.

Who fought alongside American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who sees their young soldiers coming home in coffins and wheelchairs even as Obama rants about “British Petroleum” on the White House lawn?

The British. And there remains a special bond between this country and the USA that will endure long after Obama has gone.

But it is deeply offensive that the sacrifice of troops in America’s wars means nothing to this fanatically anti-British President.

And I can’t think of a better reason to bring our troops home.

mirror.co.uk
 
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AnnaG

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Loudmouth Yanks, with gobs as wide as the Grand Canyon and with nothing useful issuing forth from them, continue to utter their anti-British platitudes because a company which is more American than British has spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

And America's joke of a President, who is getting more unpopular everyday, even compares this oil spill to 9/11, which must offend hundreds of families.

Does Obama really believe that an ACCIDENTAL oil slick is on the same scale as a deliberate terrorist attack which killed almost 3000 people?

You would think that with such a comparison, and with Tony Hayward's disgraceful treatment by a US Senate committee, that BP had caused this oil slick on purpose!

And all this comes at a time when it's revealed that British troops are dying at a rate of four times that of US troops in Afghanistan. If the US people as a whole don't start to grow up a bit (it's not the first time that US adults have acted like adolescents) and remember that there was no similar anti-Americanism when the US-oened Piper Alpha oil rig exploded off the British coast in 1988 killing 167 people, then Great Britain will pull its troops out of Afghanistan to leave the US effectively on its own.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah "Mum, he's picking on me".
 

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Is that what you are saying? It's not the governments decision to restrict access to beaches and the Gulf but British Petroleum's decision and they trump the government?

Yet another American who gives the company the wrong name just so they can blame the foreigner.

BP is NOT "British Petroleum" and hasn't been since it MERGED with the AMERICAN company Amoco in 1998. It is an Anglo-American company, with more US employees than British, and could quite easily change its name to Amoco.

It would be interesting to find out if there would be such an attack on the company in the US if, after the merger between Amoco and BP, if it has taken the name Amoco.
 

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How the Ultimate BP Gulf Disaster Could Kill Millions


Saturday, 19 June 2010 08:33



'...Death from the depths
With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish...'
Read more: How the Ultimate BP Gulf Disaster Could Kill Millions

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BP Blocks Attempt to Save Endangered Sea Turtles from Oil Spill


Saturday, 19 June 2010 09:18


'A shrimp boat captain in Louisiana hired by BP was blocked from rescuing juvenile Kemp's ridleys that were covered in oil in the Gulf waters. He was captured on video saying that the turtles are being collected in the clean-up efforts and burned up like so much ocean debris with other marine life gathering along tide lines where oil also congregates.
He witnessed BP workers burning turtles caught in the oil booms. Rescue efforts are being ended tomorrow.'

YouTube - Venice, Louisiana, Boat Captain/ by Catherine Craig

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Who Died and Made BP The King of The Gulf of Mexico?


Saturday, 19 June 2010 09:42



'There is one question that I would really like an answer to. Who died and made BP king of the Gulf of Mexico? In recent weeks, BP has almost seemed more interested in keeping the American people away from the oil spill than in actually cleaning it up.
Journalists are being pushed around and denied access, disaster workers are being intimidated and abused and now BP has even go so far as to hire an army of private mercenaries to enforce their will along the Gulf coast. Are we suddenly living in occupied Iraq?
How in the world did a foreign oil company get the right to start pointing guns at the American people? The last time I checked, BP did not own the Gulf of Mexico and did not have the right to tell the American people where they can and cannot go. The truth is that BP could have avoided all of this by running an open, honest and transparent operation from the start.'
Read more: Who Died and Made BP The King of The Gulf of Mexico?

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Gulf Reporter Scott Walker Reports Oil Disaster Cleanup Workers Intimidated


Sunday, 20 June 2010 08:11



YouTube - Countdown: Gulf reporter Scott Walker reports Oil Disaster cleanup workers intimidated

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Russian Scientists Warn: Toxic Rain Could Destroy North America/ Due to BP Chemical??


Sunday, 20 June 2010 08:37



YouTube - Russian Scientists Warn: Toxic Rain Could Destroy North America/ Due to BP Chemical??

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Oil Blowout Fumes Sickening People in Atlanta--Geologists Says: 'Where are the Logs?'


Sunday, 20 June 2010 09:11



'Landau says this is not a "spill." A spill is finite. This is a blow out, an explosion of oil spewing out of the earth under great pressure. What is spewing out, blasting out with more pressure than we comprehend, is a toxic mixture of various chemicals, some of which can kill you at a mere 400 parts per million.

There's hydrogen sulfide, benzene, methane, pentane, propane, ethane, butane, and a host of other combinations of hydrogen and carbon. All are dangerous in various concentrations. They are dangerous to breath and dangerous to touch. They cause cancer, lung damage and death. Some of them are so dangerous they cause genetic damage, passing their destruction onto generations yet unborn.'
Read more: Oil Blowout Fumes Sickening People in Atlanta--Geologists Says: 'Where are the Logs?'

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Yet another American who gives the company the wrong name just so they can blame the foreigner.

BP is NOT "British Petroleum" and hasn't been since it MERGED with the AMERICAN company Amoco in 1998. It is an Anglo-American company, with more US employees than British, and could quite easily change its name to Amoco.

It would be interesting to find out if there would be such an attack on the company in the US if, after the merger between Amoco and BP, if it has taken the name Amoco.

Every guy from British Petroleum in front of the microphone has had one of those silly accents.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's a duck. :lol:

Now go back to spamming your nonsense.

Loudmouth Yanks, with gobs as wide as the Grand Canyon and with nothing useful issuing forth from them, continue to utter their anti-British platitudes because an Anglo-American company which is more American than British has spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

At least we have clean and straight teeth.


You would think that with such a comparison, and with Tony Hayward's disgraceful treatment by a US Senate committee, that BP had caused this oil slick on purpose!

Is he a brit? He sure sounds it.

YouTube - BP CEO Tony Hayward Wants his Life Back



And all this comes at a time when it's revealed that British troops are dying at a rate of four times that of US troops in Afghanistan. If the US people as a whole don't start to grow up a bit (it's not the first time that US adults have acted like adolescents) and remember that there was no similar anti-Americanism from the British when the US-owned Piper Alpha oil rig exploded off the British coast in 1988 killing 167 people, then Great Britain will pull its troops out of Afghanistan to leave the US effectively on its own.

US Deaths in Aghanistan- 1125
UK- 300

Not to mention how many thousands of Yanks are buried in the UK who died bailing your butts out twice.

The only Brits buried here are invaders.
 

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"Cries From The Gulf" Video a Potent Reminder of Fallacy of 'Drill Baby Drill'

The damage inflicted on the Gulf of Mexico from the BP blowout goes far beyond the ecological and economic impacts this catastrophe has wrought on the region. As evidenced painfully well in the video below, residents of the Gulf states are suffering from the horrifying realization that their beaches could be closed indefinitely, their family businesses ruined by BP's negligence, and their lives forever tainted with the memory of Sarah Palin's 'Drill Baby Drill' chant ringing in their ears while their eyes bare witness to every reason why we must rapidly move beyond our addiction to dirty and dangerous oil.
Written in the form of an open letter to the darling of tea partiers and dirty energy interests, Sarah Palin, "Cries From The Gulf" captures the raw heartbreak of the millions of Gulf Coast residents impacted by the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Check out the video, "Cries From The Gulf," by Gulf Coast native Lea Morris below.

YouTube - "Cries From The Gulf" by Lea Morris

Here is the transcript of the open letter to Sarah Palin from "Cries From The Gulf."
Cries From the Gulf
by K. Lea Morris
"Drill Baby Drill" Isn't that what you said? I remember the chill that ran up my spine the first time I heard it. Then came the chanting. Louder...Louder...Frightening. I couldn't imagine that anything more painful would ever fall on my ears. I was wrong.
Today I would give anything to hear your battle cry because your ear-splitting directive has been muffled to an inaudible hum by something far louder, far more painful to hear. Today the chants from your chorus of oil-hungry followers has been replaced a thousand times over by the cries and sobs of my neighbors in mourning. Sobbing. Weeping. Gasping for breath. The sounds of hearts breaking, of lives shattering. Deafening.
I was sitting in a hotel room on a business trip when I heard the first cry. A faint hint at what was to come. A passing news story, or so I thought. An explosion on an oil rig in the Gulf. 11 dead. How terrible. Those poor people. Their poor families.
In the days and weeks to follow the cries got louder and more desperate with each passing day, with each update, with each revelation, with each failed attempt at controlling the hemorrhaging. And today I sit weeping with my neighbors. Inconsolable.
We all see the stories and I can't imagine anyone denying this to be a terrible tragedy, but let me tell you what it feels like. As a Gulf Coast native, it's like standing in the street in front of your childhood home and helplessly watching it burn to the ground. All of your favorite memories diminished to ashes.
Only it's not just my home that's burning. It's my family's home, my friend's homes. My co-workers and neighbors. It's the homes of every person I ever went to school with, or went to church with, or stood behind in line at the grocery store, or sat next to at a traffic light on my way to work...or on my way to the beach.
All these people stand with me, hand-in-hand, stretched from our sugar-white shores of Florida, to the wildlife-rich marshes of Louisiana, and beyond. Our weeping has long-since drowned out your chanting. And you're still chanting. Despite our pleading and praying, you are still chanting.
We are the ones you have referred to as "Extreme Greenies" in your self-righteous postings and sound bites. Well, forgive us for knowing a bad thing when we saw it. Forgive us for not believing you in 2008 when you condescendingly told Joe Biden that off-shore drilling was safe and "environmentally friendly." Forgive us for getting a little angry when still today we hear you defend and promote the very thing that has stripped us of our homes, our livelihoods, our beautiful,
defenseless wildlife. Forgive us if we don't enjoy watching Mother Earth being raped...and then spit on as she writhes in pain. Forgive us if we never want to see this happen again. Not in our backyard. Not in anyone's backyard. Not even in yours.
Do you remember the sense of pride that came over you as the convention center roared with the voices of thousands chanting? Drill, Drill, Drill. Do you remember the smiles and the fists pumping? Drill, Drill, Drill. Do you remember the ringing in your ears and the chanting so loud you could feel it in your chest? I'm sure you remember it like it was yesterday. I know I do. My neighbors do too.
I remembered it when my niece sadly returned from the beach last week. I remembered your chant, because at 3 years old she knew that was her last trip to the beach before the oil hit. No 3-year-old should understand that. I remember it with every gust of wind that stings my nose. I remember it with every news story. Every picture of our dead and dying fish. Our suffocating pelicans. Every second of live footage from the Gulf floor of our Earth bleeding.
Don't chant to me. Don't chant to my neighbors. We're busy trying to heal the brokenness inside of us. We're busy starting over, cleaning up the mess and picking up the pieces. Don't you dare chant to us.

Outstanding, Avro. Thank you for posting this, I was very moved.
 

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...So here's a scenario for the next U.S election ...Drill in the Gulf or more War in the East? ...Keeping in mind Cheney/Rep/G.O.P is a large part of haliburton and in the middle of all this Big Gov/Big Biz B.S...

Obama made a deal with the devil when he agreed to allow Deep water drilling off the Gulf...Part of the Deal made with Republicans through the "Health Care" bill... Which gave the republicans this Very unfortunate and devasting favour .Along with the political theatre floor...One deal I wonder if Obama would take back...

Either way this B.P . B.S plays out ...It will favour Republicans politically...with substantial Global risk to the rest of us ...

All we can hope is that "Greener" /" Cleaner " heads prevail in the future..

Because............

The light is Green, the future is clear...Green/Clean Tech is now... It is the only sustainable ..future...