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BornRuff

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You must have missed where I posted before that I knew and worked at the same mill as two of those prisoners. they were about 20 years older than me and one became good drinking buddy with my brother in law.
They often related to me and others in the mill that the reason they joined the German army was because of conditions were so bad for people there, that they joined just to get fed.
The one that became friends with my brother in law, actually surrendered to the Canadian soldiers, with his whole unit in the first battle he was in without firing a single shot, because they were Canadians and because the conditions of Canadians POW's were better than those of the common German soldiers.


They were prisoners of war FFS and no colour TV in them days and they had it as good as the farmers in the area.
I'm done with this dance.

POW's are only part of the history. The camp was originally an internment camp. That means that it wasn't soldiers imprisoned there. It was people living in Canada who happened to be of the same race as the country that we were at war with and were caught doing something as horrible as trying to cross into the US to find work.
 

petros

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You must have missed where I posted before that I knew and worked at the same mill as two of those prisoners. they were about 20 years older than me and one became good drinking buddy with my brother in law.
They often related to me and others in the mill that the reason they joined the German army was because of conditions were so bad for people there, that they joined just to get fed.
The one that became friends with my brother in law, actually surrendered to the Canadian soldiers, with his whole unit in the first battle he was in without firing a single shot, because they were Canadians and because the conditions of Canadians POW's were better than those of the common German soldiers.


They were prisoners of war FFS and no colour TV in them days and they had it as good as the farmers in the area.
I'm done with this dance.
Ukrainian Internment in Canada


it wasn't a POW camp.

In 1891 Ukrainians from Western Ukraine began a historic group migration to Canada. Over 170,000 chose Canada as their new homeland, on the government's offer of free land and promise of freedom. These were pioneers and nation builders who settled the vast unsettled prairies of Canada.

But soon after their arrival, a tragedy struck the community. With the beginning of the First World War, the Ukrainian Canadians were stigmatized with the label of "enemy aliens" and humiliated by the Government of Sir Robert Borden. Over 80,000 were classified enemy aliens, disenfranchised and almost 6,000 imprisoned in 26 internment camps throughout Canada. After their arrest by the police, they were kept in jails with common criminals pending transfer to one of the camps. Their property was confiscated, and in many cases, never returned. In Banff National Park, they built the roads and the golf course. In British Columbia they built rights-of-way for the railway and bridges. In Kapuskasing Internment Camp the drinking water they drank was contaminated, causing many to become ill with long lasting after affects. In Spirit Lake, Quebec, some died from extreme cold.
 

petros

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Letter? Yeah right. All they need is a chainsaw, a 300+ year old tree and BAM, they're in the cedar shake business.
 

BornRuff

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Which is not anywhere near the same as saying they can't log it.

All it takes is a letter from the local foresty office.

My understanding is that logging rights are a bit more complicated than just calling someone up and having them send you a letter.
 

taxslave

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Letter? Yeah right. All they need is a chainsaw, a 300+ year old tree and BAM, they're in the cedar shake business.

I bet the trees are close to that age. Just don't grow very well.

My understanding is that logging rights are a bit more complicated than just calling someone up and having them send you a letter.

That depends entirely on where you are since it is a provincial area. In BC as of 10 years ago you could do just that for your own use. Worked the same for bands as well. I don't know if it is still in the regs today. It was called a free use permit.
 

BornRuff

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That depends entirely on where you are since it is a provincial area. In BC as of 10 years ago you could do just that for your own use. Worked the same for bands as well. I don't know if it is still in the regs today. It was called a free use permit.

I see that on the BC site. On the Ontario site, all it says is that each resident can cut one Christmas tree from crown land, otherwise it just says it is illegal without a permit. It doesn't talk about the process other than calling a ministry office.
 

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I see that on the BC site. On the Ontario site, all it says is that each resident can cut one Christmas tree from crown land, otherwise it just says it is illegal without a permit. It doesn't talk about the process other than calling a ministry office.

Does it define the size of a christmas tree? If you have 5 or 6 kids you got enough trees to build a house.
 

BornRuff

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Does it define the size of a christmas tree? If you have 5 or 6 kids you got enough trees to build a house.

Lol, lets be realistic here. We are talking about operating a saw mill, so they need a very sizable amount of trees to make that worthwhile.
 

DaSleeper

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POW's are only part of the history. The camp was originally an internment camp. That means that it wasn't soldiers imprisoned there. It was people living in Canada who happened to be of the same race as the country that we were at war with and were caught doing something as horrible as trying to cross into the US to find work.
This is too much...
That you find scandalous what Canadians did to the Ukrainians that long ago, but what whitey did to the Injuns, and treaties not being honored by the government is OK to you......I could find the posts where you rant about it, but you're not worth the effort.


I could call you disingenuous, but hypocrite is a better word.
 

BornRuff

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This is too much...
That you find scandalous what Canadians did to the Ukrainians that long ago, but what whitey did to the Injuns, and treaties not being honored by the government is OK to you......I could find the posts where you rant about it, but you're not worth the effort.


I could call you disingenuous, but hypocrite is a better word.

Lol, what?

When did I ever say that the government's treatment of first nations people was ok? You must be thinking of someone else. I am definitely not ok with how the government has treated first nations people, in the past and in the present.

A government can be criticized for more than one thing. Putting people into interment camps because of their ethnicity is wrong, even if "not many" of them died because of it.
 

karrie

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Lol, lets be realistic here. We are talking about operating a saw mill, so they need a very sizable amount of trees to make that worthwhile.



Why exactly? Plenty of farmers run saw mills with whatever they or their neighbours have on hand for trees. It's not about being 'worthwhile' it's about being self sufficient.
 

BornRuff

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Why exactly? Plenty of farmers run saw mills with whatever they or their neighbours have on hand for trees. It's not about being 'worthwhile' it's about being self sufficient.

Turning a few logs into lumber isn't going to make anyone self sufficient.

Any plan has to make economic sense. Setting up a sawmill on a remote reserve will cost a significant amount of money. If they can't get enough logs to process, it will just be wasted money, which certainly doesn't move them any closer to self sufficiency.
 

DaSleeper

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Lol, what?

When did I ever say that the government's treatment of first nations people was ok? You must be thinking of someone else. I am definitely not ok with how the government has treated first nations people, in the past and in the present.

A government can be criticized for more than one thing. Putting people into interment camps because of their ethnicity is wrong, even if "not many" of them died because of it.
Sorry, my bad, got you mixed up with another poster....my sincere apologies for that one.
 

karrie

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Turning a few logs into lumber isn't going to make anyone self sufficient.

Any plan has to make economic sense. Setting up a sawmill on a remote reserve will cost a significant amount of money. If they can't get enough logs to process, it will just be wasted money, which certainly doesn't move them any closer to self sufficiency.


Once again, plenty of farmers have sawmills, and it's perfectly affordable.

Sorry, my bad, got you mixed up with another poster....my sincere apologies for that one.



I had to go read back and check that I was right that he wasn't 'BruSan'.... the layout of the names mixes them up.