At least 10 killed after shooting during 'Dark Knight' screening in Colorado

Bar Sinister

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We've discussed this data before. The big problem with it is that it makes no effort to determine what constitutes a threat. Someone with a gun in his house might believe that he averted a crime simply because the gun was there. Without a more detailed study almost all of the data is anecdotal.




You need to read the study. Threat levels (or lack thereof) are factored in. It is valid.

As I already explained, it is personal weapons that are protected, and military style weapons, the general type of weapon every soldier would carry. PERSONAL weapons. See the US vs Miller. However, if you want to argue that Americans should be allowed to carry other weapons they can BEAR (carry), I don't have aproblem with that....

Yeah. You will notice nobody is allowed to carry guns in schools, universities, and theatres. Damn shame that, huh?


Finally a point of agreement. You do admit that Americans can be restricted in the type of firearms they own. And as various gun laws in various US states have shown they can be restricted in how they acquire, store, and use these firearms. Both of those were my points all along. You just failed to recognize them.

I still will not agree that gun ownership in any way reduces crime. In a nation full of guns, for every crime guns prevent almost certain there is at least one committed. And I don't need a study to show that. The shocking gun death stats in the US are proof enough.

To put it simply, given the number of guns in the US, if firearms actually reduced crime then the US would be pretty much crime free. And we know that certainly is not the case.
 

Praxius

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WOW, attacking a funny cartoon as part of your anti-gun rhetoric. LOL. :lol:

Did I say anything regarding being Anti-Gun? I've used firearms plenty in the past, and they have their uses.... I was never a person who held the position that all firearms should be banned without question..... but I'm a person who believes they shouldn't just be handed out like candy to whoever asks for them, regardless of their criminal background or education in properly operating a firearm in a safe fashion.

I was asking what the point was to that cartoon... which wasn't funny, but pretty dumb and insensitive to the victims of 9/11, while also trying to use that tragedy in a political manner towards something completely unrelated.

You're just looking for opportunities to use this national media furor over the Denver shootings in hopes the government passes some additional gun control legislation. The Liberal philosophy, "NEVER let a crisis go to waste."

Guess you still can't read.... look back at my posts in this thread.... I no longer give a crap what they do because I already know they won't do a damn thing and I know this stuff is just going to keep happening.

An armed society is a polite society.

The US in general is an armed society.... are you saying they're a polite society, let alone a safe society?

For a polite & safe society, they sure do have their fair share of mass shootings and gun related violence.

Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life, so Praxius, quit robbing the neighborhood 7/11's - you never know what the guy behind the counter could be carrying. ;-) :lol:

Um.... ok? :?

What do manners have to do with anything when you can just shove a gun in someone's face to prove you're a big man?

Simply because nitwits like you can't get the reasoning behind the arguments in the first place. And it isn't as if your arguments don't go round in circles either.

For someone who writes books, you sure like to take things out of context in order to mean something else..... either that or you have problems reading.

What I was referring to is that all these arguments for & against firearms/right to own firearms/safer society with or without firearms, are all the same arguments that have been brought up every single time these situations occur.... and while you and others nit pick over the meanings of this or that, or what a society should & shouldn't do to prevent these things from happening again, nothing is ever really done, nothing changes, nothing ever improves, they keep happening and thus, these debates on gun laws (especially when relating to the US) go nowhere except in circles.

I already got the "Reasoning" behind all these arguments several threads ago, several years ago, several mass shootings ago.

The true nitwits are people like you who think beating this dead horse over and over again with the same arguments, stats & reports are ever going to accomplish anything, which they won't because nothing will ever change.

The US isn't going to Change and neither is Canada when it comes to their stances on firearms.

A mass shooting occurs in the US and people start to stockpile more firearms so they feel safer.

A mass shooting occurs in Canada and people want further restrictions on firearms so they feel safer.

.... in the end, they still occur.

One side feels safer with more guns around them.... the other side feels safer with less guns around them.

It's as simple as that.... you can try and fancy up your arguments and try and justify your position as being more right (regardless of what your stance may be) but in the end, it's all about you thinking you're safer with either having more guns or having less guns.

You may think you're doing something constructive & useful for society and that you have the right position that everybody should follow, but in reality, you're just killing time & accomplishing nothing.

Whether I'm completely for or completely against possession of firearms to the general public, or if I'm somewhere in the middle..... It doesn't matter what my position is, because trying to explain or argue my position as being right is a futile exercise, since nothing will ever change.

That's not a bash at any society, any side, or any country, it's just the reality of the situation. No government/political party in either the US or Canada are ever going to touch their current gun laws or rights with a 20 foot pole because no matter which way they decide to go, they'll only end up shooting themselves in the foot (pun intended).... so they just avoid the debate and leave things just as they currently are.

It's the safest action to take in politics.... ie: Do Nothing, because no matter what they decide to do, they'll only get burned & eventually toss out of office.

That's my only point.
 
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Kreskin

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There are proportionality issues at play. That is why it is assinine to compare the right to bare firearms with owning nukes or tanks. Proportionality is also why knocking everyone back to bows and arrows just doesn't cut it.
Yes, as if any founding fathers anticipated the kind of weapons seen today. But if one plays the absolutist ideology in relation to the Constitution then one should be ok with others possessing Tomahawk cruise missiles too.
 

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When such an incident as this takes place - I believe - the damage extends beyond those immediately affected. I also believe that this concert - no matter how momentarily diverting - helped drive at least some of the darkness from the souls of those in attendance. I believe that with a lighter heart and memories of shared joy, the citizens who attended the concert will be of much greater help to their community.





Wow man, we just came back from Kamp Kumbaya and we feel so mellow, the darkness has left our souls and everything is so far out after singing some songs and holding hands.....

.... Might have something to do with the three hits of acid each of us took, but life feels so much better now.
 

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Did I say anything regarding being Anti-Gun? I've used firearms plenty in the past, and they have their uses.... I was never a person who held the position that all firearms should be banned without question..... but I'm a person who believes they shouldn't just be handed out like candy to whoever asks for them, regardless of their criminal background or education in properly operating a firearm in a safe fashion....
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Back so quick?
 

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Model's Tweet About Colorado Massacre Sparks Outrage Airdate : 7/26/2012


Tricia Evans is a glamour model who caused a firestorm by cracking a joke about the Batman movie massacre.

"Offensive," "tasteless," "vile," and those are just the milder insults aimed at Evans.

So, is she apologetic?

"I actually do not regret it," Evans told INSIDE EDITION.

Here's what got Evans into all the trouble.

Right after 12 people were slaughtered at the midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises, she posted a tweet which instantly went viral.

The tweet said, "I heard the new Batman movie was really to die for." And then she tweeted, "Too soon?"
"So that was the joke that was heard around the world," she said to INSIDE EDITION.
The response was furious.
The women on The View were outraged.
Whoopi Goldberg said, "Too soon? Yeah, it is."
Sherri Shepherd said, "You're not even a comic."

"Just keep doing what you do, taking your trousers off for photographers. Show your boobs," said Joy Behar.

One blogger responded, "You're disgusting."

And another said, "Cheap jokes based on another's tragedy. How sad."

Evans said, "I admit that the joke was tasteless. I didn't mean it with any malicious intent."

Evans told INSIDE EDITION she does want to make an apology of sorts.

"I apologize to anyone I may have hurt. I stand by my freedom of speech. I stand behind my freedom to express myself," she said.

Evans isn't the only one under fire for insensitivity in the aftermath of the movie theater massacre.

Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto, referring to the three heroes who lost their lives shielding their girlfriends, tweeted, "I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice."

One outraged reader wrote, "It just boggles the mind someone would say this."

Taranto later called his comment "ill-considered."

And leave it to Madonna to inject herself into the Aurora controversy. She's being slammed for using prop guns during a concert in Scotland, just hours after the massacre.

One critic called her "crass and insensitive." Much the same as the accusations being leveled against Evans.

News - Model's Tweet About Colorado Massacre Sparks Outrage - InsideEdition.com
 

shadowshiv

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Model's Tweet About Colorado Massacre Sparks Outrage Airdate : 7/26/2012


Tricia Evans is a glamour model who caused a firestorm by cracking a joke about the Batman movie massacre.

"Offensive," "tasteless," "vile," and those are just the milder insults aimed at Evans.

So, is she apologetic?

"I actually do not regret it," Evans told INSIDE EDITION.

Here's what got Evans into all the trouble.

Right after 12 people were slaughtered at the midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises, she posted a tweet which instantly went viral.

The tweet said, "I heard the new Batman movie was really to die for." And then she tweeted, "Too soon?"
"So that was the joke that was heard around the world," she said to INSIDE EDITION.
The response was furious.
The women on The View were outraged.
Whoopi Goldberg said, "Too soon? Yeah, it is."
Sherri Shepherd said, "You're not even a comic."

"Just keep doing what you do, taking your trousers off for photographers. Show your boobs," said Joy Behar.

One blogger responded, "You're disgusting."

And another said, "Cheap jokes based on another's tragedy. How sad."

Evans said, "I admit that the joke was tasteless. I didn't mean it with any malicious intent."

Evans told INSIDE EDITION she does want to make an apology of sorts.

"I apologize to anyone I may have hurt. I stand by my freedom of speech. I stand behind my freedom to express myself," she said.

Evans isn't the only one under fire for insensitivity in the aftermath of the movie theater massacre.

Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto, referring to the three heroes who lost their lives shielding their girlfriends, tweeted, "I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice."

One outraged reader wrote, "It just boggles the mind someone would say this."

Taranto later called his comment "ill-considered."

And leave it to Madonna to inject herself into the Aurora controversy. She's being slammed for using prop guns during a concert in Scotland, just hours after the massacre.

One critic called her "crass and insensitive." Much the same as the accusations being leveled against Evans.

News - Model's Tweet About Colorado Massacre Sparks Outrage - InsideEdition.com

Free Speech is all well and good, but it should be garnished with some common sense. Cracking a "joke" like that, so soon after so many people were murdered, is just bad taste.
 

SLM

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Model's Tweet About Colorado Massacre Sparks Outrage Airdate : 7/26/2012


Tricia Evans is a glamour model who caused a firestorm by cracking a joke about the Batman movie massacre.

"Offensive," "tasteless," "vile," and those are just the milder insults aimed at Evans.

So, is she apologetic?

"I actually do not regret it," Evans told INSIDE EDITION.

Here's what got Evans into all the trouble.

Right after 12 people were slaughtered at the midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises, she posted a tweet which instantly went viral.

The tweet said, "I heard the new Batman movie was really to die for." And then she tweeted, "Too soon?"
"So that was the joke that was heard around the world," she said to INSIDE EDITION.

It's probably a good thing she's a model. She can rely on her looks. If she was required to rely on her tact and class, she'd be sunk.
 

SLM

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How sad does your life have to be to make this a conspiracy theory?

In other news, now Sideshow Bob claims amnesia.

EXCLUSIVE:
Aye Carumba!


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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH Ya don't say.

Whatcha call media getting all the mileage they can.

Expect lots more, guy won't see the inside of a court room until March from the last thing I read about it. Gotta fill up that air time!
 

JamesBondo

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Exactly....but it is "bear arms".

Besides, you can't bear a tank......

And you might be able to nuke a Bear, but you can't bear a nuke.

:)

are you saying that I have fat fur covered arms?

Yes, as if any founding fathers anticipated the kind of weapons seen today. But if one plays the absolutist ideology in relation to the Constitution then one should be ok with others possessing Tomahawk cruise missiles too.

True enough.

I would not support the removal of laws against cruise missiles merely because they don't seem to apply well to pocket knives.

I would appreciate if you don't place my hunting rifle in the same classification as a cruise missile or a pocket knife. I don't.
 

EagleSmack

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Yes, as if any founding fathers anticipated the kind of weapons seen today. But if one plays the absolutist ideology in relation to the Constitution then one should be ok with others possessing Tomahawk cruise missiles too.

At the time muskets and cannon were the most advanced weapons of the time... true?

What about Freedom of Speech? Freedom of the Press? etc. Should we revisit those. I am sure they didn't anticipate advances in media technology.
 

petros

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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


There are 3 seperate points in that sentence.....commas don't mean anything anymore?
 

karrie

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Why on earth would any rational person give air time to a bad joke from someone who doesn't matter? What does that have to do with ANYthing? Don't get me wrong, I'd tell anyone on here cracking that joke that they're being a moron, but, I wouldn't go hunt down statements by people to get offended about. That smacks of an attempt to feel righteous.

And btw, conspiracy theorists are feraking morons if different lighting, a dye job, and a different facial expression is all it takes to throw them off someone's identity. How on earth 'they' managed to make a dummy double with the same Adam's apple, same jaw line, same ears, same eyelids, same bridge of the nose... yet get the nostrils wrong....would be the real story.
 

Niflmir

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Actually, it can be argued that a right to own weapons exists in Canda, since our Constitution states:

26. The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.

Given Canada's common law practice of taking from British common law, and the fact that such a right was understood as existing under the common law right of self defense, one could probably make such an argument in Canada. It would be interesting to see a section 26 challenge by that Uzi owner in the other thread...