Are aliens out there? Heavens, I hope so!

[countryboy]

Oh yeah, Roswell, Majestic 12, and all that crap, which has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. But I suppose no claim is so far out that nobody will believe it, especially when there are so many lunatic opinions out there on the Web that other loons can cite in support of their lunacy, in a self-perpetuating cycle of folly and ignorance. Corso, as well as making it all up, is incredibly insulting to the engineers who really developed our modern technologies. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of our brightest and most creative people, and he's calling them all liars and frauds. Really, who's more likely to be promoting a fraud, all of them, or Corso?

Well, I'm just reading as much info. on the subject as time allows, but it is quite interesting. I am searching for the info. that "thoroughly and repeatedly debunks" this stuff...any links available?

In the meantime, here's another little piece of the puzzle on reverse engineering that I just read - it was published in 1999 so it's not exactly new: Reverse-Engineering Roswell UFO Technology

 

[AnnaG]

Building blocks, come on Anna the boat story is way better than that?

Not according to the best critics.

 

[AnnaG]

Is there an Aliens Anonymous?

"My name is Gort, and I am an alien?"

I knew a Gort once. It was a robot, though. Owned by a guy named Klaatu. I think it'd be 59 years old these days.

 

[countryboy]

I knew a Gort once. It was a robot, though. Owned by a guy named Klaatu. I think it'd be 59 years old these days.

Yep, you're right - the movie was made in 1951.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I am searching for the info. that "thoroughly and repeatedly debunks" this stuff...any links available?

Thousands. If you can't find them you're using the wrong search arguments. Start by searching CSI for Roswell and UFOs and Project Mogul. It was not an alien spacecraft that crashed at Roswell.

 

[Spade]

YouTube - ASTRONAUT Edgar Mitchell Exposes the TRUTH on Radio 23 July

 

[petros]

OCA2 gene

 

[countryboy]

Thousands. If you can't find them you're using the wrong search arguments. Start by searching CSI for Roswell and UFOs and Project Mogul. It was not an alien spacecraft that crashed at Roswell.

Thanks Dexter...I have started down what appears to be a long, long road of reading & researching. I don't have any impressions forming in my mind one way or the other at this point...trying to approach it from a "neutral" standpoint to see what develops.

No question a lot of people have spent a lot of time on this subject, on both sides of the fence. In fact, it appears that careers have been built just on Roswell alone! I guess that must mean there is some big potential value in either proving and/or disproving the "theory" of Roswell and UFOs in general. It's gonna' be interesting research! Long, too.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I knew a Gort once. It was a robot, though. Owned by a guy named Klaatu. I think it'd be 59 years old these days.

Correct. And having viewed the film recently it is clear that Gort could not talk.

As for the subject of this post I am with Enrico Fermi when he asked the awkward question: Where are all the aliens? This is known as the Fermi paradox and so far no one has come up with a satisfactory answer.
Fermi Paradox

 

[countryboy]

Correct. And having viewed the film recently it is clear that Gort could not talk.

As for the subject of this post I am with Enrico Fermi when he asked the awkward question: Where are all the aliens? This is known as the Fermi paradox and so far no one has come up with a satisfactory answer.
Fermi Paradox

I suspect that with all the "alleged" sightings, close encounters, and other assorted occurrences that have been reported by what seems to be some very credible sources (lucid, normal people) that it could be a case of "where there's smoke, there's fire. In other words, perhaps some of these incidents were real, but we must have irrefutable, scientific (by our human standards) proof before some of us would even entertain the idea of alien existence.

At times, it's almost like an extreme left/extreme right political discussion...we're either all for the idea, or totally against it. I'm wondering if the "truth" lies somewhere between the two extremes...8O ...and we just can't see it or cannot/will not accept it because of our own biases. I'm beginning to see that the "opposed" side can get downright vicious about it. I'm still studying it...

 

[lone wolf]

Maybe the intelligent ones aren't civilized. Look at what civilization does....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Personally, I'm about 99.9% certain of two things in this context:

1. there are aliens out there.
2. they've never been here.

Given what we know of the scale of the cosmos, it's hard to credit a belief that we're alone in it, that seems extremely improbable to me. On the other hand, somebody had to be first, maybe it's us.

On the matter of visitations, similar considerations apply. Given the distances involved and what science (at least, what we know of it so far) tells us about maximum velocities and possible modes of travel, it seems extremely improbable that anyone's visited us, and there's no good evidence anyone has. Anybody who COULD visit us would need a science and technology so far beyond anything we've got, that if they didn't want us to know they're here, we'd never get a clue. And if they did want us to know, it'd be perfectly clear. Or possibly they don't actually care whether we know or not, which might explain some of the more enigmatic sightings of supposed UFOs. Maybe they're just observing us as we would an ant hill.

 

[karrie]

I agree Dexter. The existence of life on other planets seems like a bit of a given frankly. But life we'd recognize? Life that would have the same mental drive we do to explore and travel? And the means? AND find us if they did have all that? It's pretty slim possibilities.

 

[Spade]

I agree Dexter. The existence of life on other planets seems like a bit of a given frankly. But life we'd recognize? Life that would have the same mental drive we do to explore and travel? And the means? AND find us if they did have all that? It's pretty slim possibilities.

What is our mental drive to explore? Click here to find out.

 

[karrie]

9.1 billion sunk into ONE expedition already that hasn't even gotten near to done. In the midst of an economic melt down. That's an insane amount of drive alright.

 

[darkbeaver]

("The Fermi Paradox was first described by the physicist Enrico Fermi. Even if we aren't visited by aliens, we should see some evidence for them out in the Universe, or be able to detect their radio transmissions. And yet, scientists haven't found a single piece of technology that wasn't created by humans, or found a life form doesn't share a common heritage with all life on Earth. There hasn't been a single intelligent signal detected from the Universe,")

Then we will have to allow that what seems alien and quite common, elaborate, advanced stone works and extensive, very expensive engineering projects of other types were carried out by civilizations which no longer exist and myth/history will have to be reconsidered with a mind to accepting magic/fizziks as a part of the recent/remote human past. Leaving aside all other human advancements for the time being. That will be interesting. I'm afraid the woowoo police will be taxed beyond their excellent imaginations.

 

[Cliffy]

Intelligence is a relative thing, isn't it.We considered the aboriginal people ignorant savages at one time but science is only beginning to catch up to their knowledge of how life on Earth works and the intricate balancing act that is the web of life. There are ancient structures that we can only guess at how they were built because we think we are the most advanced civilization to date but if we would get off our high horse for a moment,we might discover that we were not the first or the brightest candle to burn on this planet.

There may have been civilizations that were far more technologically advanced than ours. Their technology may have been quite different and we are just not advanced enough to figure it out. They may have left and are now coming back to check out how the remnants are making out. Perhaps they are the same as us physically, and are sharing their technology with us now. If they look like us,how would we know they are not from here? Just because we don't know, doesn't mean it is not possible.

 

[countryboy]

Intelligence is a relative thing, isn't it.We considered the aboriginal people ignorant savages at one time but science is only beginning to catch up to their knowledge of how life on Earth works and the intricate balancing act that is the web of life. There are ancient structures that we can only guess at how they were built because we think we are the most advanced civilization to date but if we would get off our high horse for a moment,we might discover that we were not the first or the brightest candle to burn on this planet.

There may have been civilizations that were far more technologically advanced than ours. Their technology may have been quite different and we are just not advanced enough to figure it out. They may have left and are now coming back to check out how the remnants are making out. Perhaps they are the same as us physically, and are sharing their technology with us now. If they look like us,how would we know they are not from here? Just because we don't know, doesn't mean it is not possible.

Cliff, I have often wondered about those ancient civilizations myself. My brother keeps reminding me of the ancient Sumerians, as one example, but there are many. It's a very good point.

Now, could you send me the instructions for making a tinfoil hat, because I think I might need to make one for myself! I'm hoping it will help to keep my mind open! :lol:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I suggest you check out this site CB, before you go too far down that road: Bad Archaeology: leave your common sense behind!

In particular, you can't believe anything Erich von Daniken, Graham Hancock, or Immanuel Velikovsky say, they have no idea what they're talking about. Neither does Darkbeaver.

 

[Cliffy]

Cliff, I have often wondered about those ancient civilizations myself. My brother keeps reminding me of the ancient Sumerians, as one example, but there are many. It's a very good point.

Now, could you send me the instructions for making a tinfoil hat, because I think I might need to make one for myself! I'm hoping it will help to keep my mind open! :lol:

The last thing you need is a tin hat. To have an open mind requires a suspension of belief. Belief is holding to a rock,faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life. Belief restricts our field of vision (blinders). There are so many possibilities that most people miss because they believe they are not possible. So I try not to believe in anything but I also try to accept the possibility of anything.