Any possible agreement on the long-gun registry?
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Anyone interested....go here
CBC News - Politics - Gun registry survives Commons vote
Don't bother reading the BS, just scroll down the page until you come to the map.
Says it all.
CBC News - Politics - Gun registry survives Commons vote
Don't bother reading the BS, just scroll down the page until you come to the map.
Says it all.
Gun registry doesn't bother me but if they ever start to register elk, deer and moose then I'll be miffed.
Well the result isn't really a surprise but where some were saying the Quebec City was a lose-lose for the CPC I think this is a win-win.
The bill passing and the registry being repealed would have given Harper & Co something to parade to rural Canadians and the rest of their base as something they were able to fix.
The opposition effectively killing the bill means its a wedge issue that the gov't can use to strengthen their hold in rural Canada and among those segments of the population capable of critical thought enough to see the registry for the boondoggle it is. And when we're honest, most of the places where the populace is pro-registry won't vote CPC anyway.
The bill passing and the registry being repealed would have given Harper & Co something to parade to rural Canadians and the rest of their base as something they were able to fix.
The opposition effectively killing the bill means its a wedge issue that the gov't can use to strengthen their hold in rural Canada and among those segments of the population capable of critical thought enough to see the registry for the boondoggle it is. And when we're honest, most of the places where the populace is pro-registry won't vote CPC anyway.
The map says it all and it amazes me that there are liberals getting elected in the west. .This map needs too be entirely blue west of ontario. Mr goodales days are over in Saskatchewan.The liberal MP from the yukon will be tarred and feathered by his constituents when he returns to his riding. That little liberal stronghold in BC will be destroyed in the upcoming election. The Conservatives will sit in power with a majority after the next election and the Long Gun Registry will be scrapped once and for all. Then plans need to be put into place to have these Liberals charged with defrauding the Canadian taxpayers of billions of dollars when the cost of there $110 million dollar program ran over budget to the tune of 2 billion dollars. Let the taxpayers exercise their voice and stop this useless registry.
Riight! As if any Canadian government is ever held accountable. They're all all con artists and frauds - no matter what colour you paint 'em. Canadians have very short memories.
You know what makes me absolutely crazy, raises my blood pressure to unsafe levels, and my pulse so high I simply lose it.
the number of guys on the CBC comments section that claimed to be gun owners.....but support the registry......and claim any reference to future gun seizures are simply paranoia.
Uh-huh.
We'll leave aside the fact that the Canadian government has been seizing firearms regularly for at least 20 years.....and that the former Liberal government set in place and passed the legislation required for the seizure of over one half MILLION restricted weapons........because these are not long guns, and these morons would feed the crocodile...
But can they not remember that in 2006, the Liberals ran on a ban handguns platform......and the NDP ran on a ban handguns AND semi-automatic long guns platform.
When the coalition gets in, the registry will finally be of some use, as the gov't goes around collecting your guns.
the number of guys on the CBC comments section that claimed to be gun owners.....but support the registry......and claim any reference to future gun seizures are simply paranoia.
Uh-huh.
We'll leave aside the fact that the Canadian government has been seizing firearms regularly for at least 20 years.....and that the former Liberal government set in place and passed the legislation required for the seizure of over one half MILLION restricted weapons........because these are not long guns, and these morons would feed the crocodile...
But can they not remember that in 2006, the Liberals ran on a ban handguns platform......and the NDP ran on a ban handguns AND semi-automatic long guns platform.
When the coalition gets in, the registry will finally be of some use, as the gov't goes around collecting your guns.
I'm an avid hunter and outdoorsman who has not registered a single one of the dozen rifles that I own. I wont even renew my PAL anymore because I'm not limited to their rules governing the purchasing of ammunition. All my ammunition is reloaded and has been for over 15 years. I have strolled up to the check out with enough powder and lead to build 1000 rounds and I've been asked numerous times to produce my PAL to which I reply "call the manager over". I will never register any of my guns, and anyone who has will be subject to confiscation down the road unless the Long Gun Registry is abolished.
It's not the first Law I've bent or busted and it likely won't be my last. What really sucks is that a Tory is sticking up for me....
Good for you. But the gun registry is not an instant fixit program. It is long term and over time will eliminate more and more of the illegally owned firearms in Canada. You might actively resist the registry, but when you die will your heirs adopt that same position? Not everyone willingly flouts the law. BTW your position on the gun registry is exactly what the anti-gun types want to eliminate. Thanks for giving them more ammunition.
I just don't get this. Not only is this just bureaucracy creation giving cronies jobs they don't deserve but it hasn't and will never save a single life. It's a waste of time, money, effort. It's an assault on liberty. This is ridiculous. If you don't want a freakin' gun in your home, don't own one. But surely to god, nobody should think that they have the right to tell somebody else if they can or should own one. This is the type of stupid legislation that is akin to two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner tonight. What's next, are we going to ban all martial arts, boxing, wrestling, and self defense training to avoid assaults? Are we going to ban accounting courses to avoid tax evasion? Get a life. There are laws in place that protect us. We don't need laws to prevent the possibility of a law being broken. That's just stupid any way it's sliced.
Oh stop it all of you.
None of you have ever been in the shoes of an RCMP, and you're not getting a grip on the concept of the idea that our great-grandparents had which was that in order to have a just government it must respond to the will of the people instead of having a will brainwashed by Harper and his puppet masters. In their day they called them snake-oil salesmen.
It's just a big f-cking giant red herring. It's a peanut in the size of the nation police budget. In fact, it's so peanut, a G8 photo-op could be paid for with it... too bad all you Canadians living here don't get to partake of the money your country is worth, eh?
The logical thing to do is fix it because it's damaged... obviously... it has all the fingerprints of a bill that was ordered to be written.
Of course, if you've been there, you will know there will be evil saying things like,"well, the existence of any sort of registry implys control against Lucifer", but here's all you f-cking Canadian brainiacs have not been doing in order to define the rules of a border of a nation... sovereign... do any of you f-ckholes have any idea how to use that when possessed of a border facing a thing guaranteeing the right o shoot anyone in their constitution?
Why does Steven Harper only target dumb people to vote for him?
Why does he not try to be a Leader instead of a Ruler?
What's his issue? What does he want? Does he think Elizabeth-II will suck his dick if he gets a majority?
In case you didn't know... there's a debate going on in the international community over whether he's been bought off, or is just trying to get revenge.
Leading us to the question of Iggy.
If Iggy was with it, this would be the time to use his minority to make the nation better like minorities were use to improve things in the '60's.
I do not want to state things inappropriately, but he sure the heck is acting like someone who's heart has been hammered down somehow.
None of you have ever been in the shoes of an RCMP, and you're not getting a grip on the concept of the idea that our great-grandparents had which was that in order to have a just government it must respond to the will of the people instead of having a will brainwashed by Harper and his puppet masters. In their day they called them snake-oil salesmen.
It's just a big f-cking giant red herring. It's a peanut in the size of the nation police budget. In fact, it's so peanut, a G8 photo-op could be paid for with it... too bad all you Canadians living here don't get to partake of the money your country is worth, eh?
The logical thing to do is fix it because it's damaged... obviously... it has all the fingerprints of a bill that was ordered to be written.
Of course, if you've been there, you will know there will be evil saying things like,"well, the existence of any sort of registry implys control against Lucifer", but here's all you f-cking Canadian brainiacs have not been doing in order to define the rules of a border of a nation... sovereign... do any of you f-ckholes have any idea how to use that when possessed of a border facing a thing guaranteeing the right o shoot anyone in their constitution?
Why does Steven Harper only target dumb people to vote for him?
Why does he not try to be a Leader instead of a Ruler?
What's his issue? What does he want? Does he think Elizabeth-II will suck his dick if he gets a majority?
In case you didn't know... there's a debate going on in the international community over whether he's been bought off, or is just trying to get revenge.
Leading us to the question of Iggy.
If Iggy was with it, this would be the time to use his minority to make the nation better like minorities were use to improve things in the '60's.
I do not want to state things inappropriately, but he sure the heck is acting like someone who's heart has been hammered down somehow.
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Yes and no - we already have to much bureaucracy and too many parasites that it supports.
First question: were you drunk or stoned when you wrote that?
You were certainly incoherent.
The bill is such garbage, it is NOT fixable.
You miss the point: the entire CONCEPT of a registration system is ridiculous, expensive, and unworkable.........and in the end tracks only those guns owned by the most peaceful segment of society.
The the Firearms Act is a blatant attempt to make the ownership of guns so onerous that it is simply not and option, it is an attack on a culture........an insult, that leaves the crack dealer down the street safer from search than a gun owner.....to say nothing of the fact the crack dealer retains his right to remain silent....unlike a gun owner. Literally, gun owners are treated worse than criminals.
The long gun registry is simply the most obvious target of a group that has been attacked and demonized unfairly, and so it draws the fire. But the entire Act needs to go, and be replaced with a reasonable, respectful, CONSTITUTIONAL piece of legislation.
Look up Dr. Gary Mauser, his research shows that the murder rate among firearms license holders is 30 to 50% LESS than in the general population.....that despite the fact they are overwhelmingly men, and heavily armed by defintion. Obviously, they are the ones we need to target...... (insert rolled eyes here!)
I am not particularly happy with Harper et al........but the lies, the misinformation, the undemocratic whipping, the absolute refusal to consider throwing shooters the small bone that was Hoeppner's bill...........will keep me in the Conservative Party, and will keep me sending them money.
Until they get a majority, and kill this monster once and for all.
Want Harper out?
Agree to kill the Firearms Act.........and a decent part of his hardcore support will disappear like smoke in the wind.
That is hilarious!
First of all, civil disobedience of an unconstitutional law is perfectly legitimate........
Secondly, you are talking about several million unregistered firearms, with a useful life of at least 100 years.....................I still hunt with a rapid fire repeating rifle that was built in 1920.........
The absolute top-of-the line combat pistols, the ones carried by elite anti-terror units in the FBI, are a design patented in 1905. (the Colt 1911 in .45 ACP)
Handguns have been registered and strictly controled since 1934........yet their use in crime is increasing........as is the number of them on the street.
Simply put, a law that disrespects the people does not enhance a peaceful society, nor does it encourage compliance to the law of the land....indeed, it inspires disrespect of the law and enhances a willingness of good people to live outside the law.
That is a disaster.
Hey Colpy- this is Canada, supposedly a free country so everyone gets to voice his/her opinions on the forum and that being a case you are bound to see a few simpletons and crackpots. :lol::lol:
You shouldn't talk about Liberals (progressives) that way;-)..
I don't make too much distinction between the various political parties- they are all tarred with the same brush and have an agenda, doing whatever it takes to stuff their own pockets full of money. I was a strong N.D.P. supporter for about 25 years before I found out how silly that was- I only heard from them when they wanted a donation. So I have equal use for all parties (not much) and generally support a local candidate if there is one who is decent (or at least the least corrupt of the bunch). A person has enough controls imposed in his/her life than to go out looking and kowtowing to another. All parties (through the necessity of their own longevity) are bureaucrats, so why be a stooge for any one of them? :lol::lol::lol:
There must be an election brewing, because in the last week I recieved calls from both the Libs and the Dems fishing for support and donations:lol:
In reality, the only simpletons on here or anywhere in life are partisans. Partisan anything is a sign of stupidity to me.
Absolute blind partisanship is not only stupid, it is dangerous. People are far too apt to suspend their thinking and treat politics as if it were a sporting event: "My team no matter what!"
And I'm a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada.