Any possible agreement on the long-gun registry?

[JLM]

JLM,do you still leave milk and cookies for Santa ? There are a lot better,more productive ways to waste my money than this BS.

What's your point? I agree with you. 8O

 

[wulfie68]

Yep. Another bunch of Liberal Men told me it would cost at most $2 million to st up.

That was S2 BILLION dollars ago.

Now they say it cost at most $5 million a year.

While the Canadian Taxpayers Association say it cost $100 Million.

Guess who I believe?

Well the RCMP's report (much quoted and linked on this site) tossed around the $60 million a year number... closer to the CTA than the supporters of the registry...

 

[johnqpublic]

Whether the registry is 5 million or 60 million, it is not self sufficient. The people who register their guns, the biggest crime they are likely to commit is to forget to re-register it. You have to take a course before your fire-arms, licence. You need a licence to buy a fire-arms weapon. Then you have to register the weapon. Again, again, again and again etc... Tax-payers are wasting their money on a program that gives a false sense of security. Politicians need to be honest about this whole program, it is ineffective at reducing crime, self respecting police officers go into every house believing weapons are there and act as such. End the registry, apply the money to more worth while projects like public infrastructure, people who own fire arms can spend that extra registry fee towards more vacations, meals, whatever. Things that actually help everyone in society, as opposed to just another government job, that accomplishes nothing. I am not a politician, I am allowed to think this simple.

 

[Colpy]

As prairieboyA6 wrote on the CBC website:

"Let us not hear that the registration system will cost $100 per firearm. Let us not hear that it is a prelude to confiscation by the government of hunting rifles and shotguns. Let us not contend that it will cost $1.5 billion to put in place. That is the way to distort the discussion. That is the way to frighten people." - Former Liberal Justice Minister Alan Rock, Hansard, February 16, 1995.

"This is not about confiscating guns. I resent the implication and the mythology that is portrayed by using that statement, because it is incorrect." - Lynn Myers, MP. Parliamentary Secretary to the Solicitor General of Canada, November 8, 2001.


5th December, 1995. Parliament passes Bill C-68, known as the Canadian Firearms Act. 500,000 pistols that were of .32 or .25 caliber or a barrel length shorter then 4.1" were made illegal (with a small number of grandfathered exceptions, less then a hundred). Owners had a choice; destroy the guns themselves, turn them into the police for destruction, or face criminal prosecution. They could do this because there was a pistol registration in place since 1934.

2006, the 39th General Elections. The Liberal campaign makes it a platform campaign promise make ALL semi automatic firearms illegal, restricted or non restricted. The Conservatives win a minority government.

2008, the 40th general elections. The NDP make it a campaign promise to further prohibit handguns and make them illegal within urban settings. The liberals continue with their ban semi-auto campaign. Again, the Conervatives win a minority.


Now consider this... To make a kind of gun illegal does not require passing of bills, or debate from the opposition, or ratification by senate. Th government can simply call Order in Council in any session of Parliament, read an OIC to the Gov. General, and if she gives it royal assent it becomes law THAT DAY. Because the firearms act is already law, they don't need due process to add to it.

So...yes. I'd say the registration affects us more then you think. We're always standing on the edge of having more firearms made illegal with the only warning being a 30 day notice from the RCMP to turn in our guns.

 

[Omicron]

First of all, not every gun has a serial number. I have two that do not. Each was assigned a FIN (Firearms Identification Number) when I registered them, and I was sent a magic stick-on tag with that number to be applied to the receiver. I had heard that there were problems with these, so I prepared the firearm (A Marlin bolt action .22 LR) carefully, and applied the tag.

Which promptly fell off, making the firearm illegal.

So I chucked the ****ing things out. (The tags, not the firearm)

So, even though they appear on my list of registered guns, they are not, because the FIN is not attached...........they are illegal.

Second....there are several firearms with the same serial numbers. Back in the day, some companies (especially those making military arms) ran serial numbers through a specific set, or for a year, and then started the series again...........so two guns, or three or four could have the same numbers...........some have no serial numbers. Some serial numbers are shared between models or companies...........it ain't as easy as it looks.

Third.....the numbers are often not recorded properly....my late brother had the police check the serial numbers on his pistols (3) and require as to their registration....two came back as not registered.....because the police had written down the numbers incorrectly. 19 Walther PP pistols were registered under the same serial number....because it wasn't the serial number, it was the patent number.

Starting to get the idea?

The registry, both for handguns and rifles, is so confused it is NOT admissible as evidence in court.

Says it all.

Regristries are a ludicrous waste of time and money.

How about if everyone bring forth their guns and allow those without a unique serial number to have a military grade RFID chip (ala type which can-not be degaussed) drilled into it, not associated to any owner as a start?

Actually, it makes me itch nervously to think about cops knowing about my 22 and 20 gauge.

All I care about is a stable nation for kids to grow up in.

http://tunes.digitalock.com/sixdaysontheroad.mp3

It reminds me of a time when I was 15 visiting kids my age around the neighborhood where my grandparents retired in Oregon.

We had three charges.

I was the tough Canadian geek to pick it up and shoot.

I still cannot get over how powerful those shots were. I told them I could take a leaf off a tree and I did. Like science. Then we went into the barn. She was blond and beautiful.

We need Senators. Use them.

They are empowered with the rule that anything they touch must have people happier.

 

[jjaycee98]

Not sure what answer your looking for, you either have a gun registry or you don't. It is either yes or no for what ever reasons you like. For me I prefer you register the individual using all kinds of background checks.

No responsible Gun Owner has ever objected to the "Aquisition Licence". That has been in place for many years. That checks the reliability of owner rather than recording a number off of the gun. Also for many years, and in many provinces there has been a mandatory course to pass before being able to receive a hunting licence.

Whether the registry is 5 million or 60 million, it is not self sufficient. The people who register their guns, the biggest crime they are likely to commit is to forget to re-register it. You have to take a course before your fire-arms, licence. You need a licence to buy a fire-arms weapon. Then you have to register the weapon. Again, again, again and again etc... Tax-payers are wasting their money on a program that gives a false sense of security. Politicians need to be honest about this whole program, it is ineffective at reducing crime, self respecting police officers go into every house believing weapons are there and act as such. End the registry, apply the money to more worth while projects like public infrastructure, people who own fire arms can spend that extra registry fee towards more vacations, meals, whatever. Things that actually help everyone in society, as opposed to just another government job, that accomplishes nothing. I am not a politician, I am allowed to think this simple.

All true! Just another Agency to gobble up Taxpayers money.

 

[Omicron]

All true! Just another Agency to gobble up Taxpayers money.

Stop.

If government spends it back on things to its own tax payers then the money just goes round.

 

[DaSleeper]

When you buy a service or something, you try to get (Pardon the pun);-) the best bang for your buck......
The government.......do I need to itemize their waste??????

I think I may have posted this before...but here is my own story of the uselessness registry.
When it came time to re register my handguns...something I had to do because they already had a file on it, I sent all the data necessary, I got all the registrations cards in the mail within a fairly reasonable amount of time....except for one, a 28 gauge Harrington & Richardson shotgun pistol.
So I call them, to find out what the holdup was.....no reason was given me.
Several months later I call again and ask to speak to a supervisor...it seemed that with the backlog they had, they were still trying to figure out the type of weapon it was.
I got the supervisor's e-mail and sent him a copy of an email I had from an expert in the field of old handguns in Caledon that I knew they consulted regularly, plus a picture of of the gun, stripped down, showing the serial number on the rear tang with a note telling them that from the angle of the rear tang, and the shape of the barrel it had to be a pistol and not a sawed-off shotgun....
Got my card within two week:smile:

 

[Nuggler]

:canada: Tomorrow is vote on it day, and the people will be represented as they have been since time immemorial. Sort of.:roll:

Harpo says it has to goangry9:

Iggy says we should compromise:ky:

Jack says whatever TF........:dontknow:turns ya on.

:triplets:the triplets: Flip Flap Flop

 

[FiveParadox]

Today, the House of Commons voted to concur in the Second Report of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (recommendation not to proceed with Bill C-391, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act (repeal of the long-gun registry)). The action of concurring in this report has essentially stopped Bill C-391; the concurrence motion passed with the support of the entirety of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, and the Bloc Québécois, and a majority of the New Democratic Party of Canada. A few New Democrats sided with Her Majesty's Government for Canada, but it wasn't enough to defeat the motion--it passed with 153 yeas, to 151 nays.

 

[Nuggler]

:banghead: We just gave Harpo about a million votes:

House of Commons votes to save long-gun registry | Sympatico.ca News


How could this dumb prick say something like this??!!

It might protect women if their husbands have guns around the house. Women can shoot too.

:help:

 

[Tonington]

Pretty close. This will fill the already bulging CPC war chest.

 

[JLM]

Hate to say it but there's times when the mentality of some of our fellow Canadians is an embarrassment. So the bureaucrats have won, wonder how much this piece of idiocy will end up costing us. I wonder how many "lists" they have in Ottawa now. In another post I think I gave Ottawa too much credit for intelligence. I've just down graded the average I.Q. to 5. :lol:

 

[Johnnny]

Just remember if your going to shoot someone use a un registered rifle

 

[Colpy]

So....the NDP have rounded the corner, and left their rural roots in the past.......although kudos to the NDP MPs that did vote as their constituents wished, and wanted to scrap the registry. They are the last traces of a once wonderful
party that spoke for the plain folks in Canada.....Tommy Douglas is rolling in his grave.

As for the scum Liberals.....thanks for reminding me why I never have, and never will vote Liberal. I have haunted the CBC website, and the BS, the arrogance, the taunting, the absolute bald-faced lies from Liberal posters.....well, it makes you understand why they are afraid of people with guns.

As for the Conservatives, they have not been doing well lately.........but this was a win-win for them. they just picked up a few rural ridings........

May they get a one term majority, so we can kill the entire Firearms Act once and for all.

Pretty close. This will fill the already bulging CPC war chest.

Yep. No doubt about that!

 

[FiveParadox]

May they get a one term majority, so we can kill the entire Firearms Act once and for all.

It surprises me that anyone--even a member of the Conservative Party of Canada--would advocate for the repeal of the Firearms Act, and with it, any form of gun control whatsoever. Even if Her Majesty's Government for Canada does come to enjoy a handful of rural ridings, this will only be compensation for the loss of whatever holdings it has in Quebec.

 

[JLM]

So....the NDP have rounded the corner, and left their rural roots in the past.......although kudos to the NDP MPs that did vote as their constituents wished, and wanted to scrap the registry. They are the last traces of a once wonderful
party that spoke for the plain folks in Canada.....Tommy Douglas is rolling in his grave.

As for the scum Liberals.....thanks for reminding me why I never have, and never will vote Liberal. I have haunted the CBC website, and the BS, the arrogance, the taunting, the absolute bald-faced lies from Liberal posters.....well, it makes you understand why they are afraid of people with guns.

As for the Conservatives, they have not been doing well lately.........but this was a win-win for them. they just picked up a few rural ridings........

May they get a one term majority, so we can kill the entire Firearms Act once and for all.



Yep. No doubt about that!

Right on Colpy- the N.D.P.s and Libs are definitely for the city slickers. :smile:

 

[Colpy]

It surprises me that anyone--even a member of the Conservative Party of Canada--would advocate for the repeal of the Firearms Act, and with it, any form of gun control whatsoever. Even if Her Majesty's Government for Canada does come to enjoy a handful of rural ridings, this will only be compensation for the loss of whatever holdings it has in Quebec.

What you say about Quebec may be true.....but Quebec is about to lose its stranglehold on Canada's throat (Thank GOD!) when the bill for new seat distribution passes........unless of course it is blocked by the Bloc/liberal/NDP coalition....I dare you to go to the nation on THAT issue!!!!

As for the Firearms Act, it is a travesty....read and learn.

Canada's Firearms Act Violates Charter Rights & Freedoms

I do not advocate no gun control whatsoever....I simply want gun owners to be treated better than convicted criminals....not worse, as they are under the Act.

The Act needs to be replaced with a strict licensing/training regimen. No idiot lists of guns required.

Oh, and I understand I am a radical on the subject.....although we are not so rare as you might imagine....."extremism in defense of liberty is no vice" (Barry Goldwater)

 

[JLM]

It surprises me that anyone--even a member of the Conservative Party of Canada--would advocate for the repeal of the Firearms Act, and with it, any form of gun control whatsoever. Even if Her Majesty's Government for Canada does come to enjoy a handful of rural ridings, this will only be compensation for the loss of whatever holdings it has in Quebec.

N.D.P. always has thrived on bureaucracy and red tape, but maybe the majority will decide they've had more than enough next election. We can only hope. :smile:

 

[CaptlstSocalist]

perfect example of our tax dollars going to complete and utter waste. Hey all you good and decent citizens how own guns, register your guns soo you can go hunting and go to the shooting range, do it soo we can be safer. Safer soo that when a gang member is shooting at me then i will know for sure that that gun is not in the registry (because criminals dont buy guns at the gun store) they buy them illegally and therefore we can catch those criminals and all be safe!

what a friggin Pot of lies. It doesn't do a single thing to stop gangs!