Anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers file $11M lawsuit against Trudeau

TheShadow

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What wrong with his post? We've been pushed into a depression over a flu with symptoms that are all treatable and even avoidable.

There is rotten shit going on that makes no sense. Only 122 people in Canada who've died of Covid are outside of Long Term Care.

Attention should have been focused on those LTCs from day one.

99+% survivable for everyone except those in LTC where it's 96% survivable.

Kids going to school, people working, the economy rolling, sports, entertainment rolling isnt killing seniors, ignorance is.

Rapid testing has been available for 5 months and the testing isnt being done on LTC staff. Even 2 weeks on and two weeks off for LTC staff corrects this issue.

Youd almost think they are deliberately ignoring those in LTC.
Sadly, it's drivel like this on the internet that perpetuates the problems we're dealing with.

Some truth mixed with misunderstanding pushes the problem forward.

You're just wrong with a good portion of your assertions but I'm not about to get into an argument on the internet as to why.
 

petros

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Sadly, it's drivel like this on the internet that perpetuates the problems we're dealing with.

Some truth mixed with misunderstanding pushes the problem forward.

You're just wrong with a good portion of your assertions but I'm not about to get into an argument on the internet as to why.
It rubs the propaganda in or it gets the hose again.

Put the propaganda in the basket.

I can back my claims and by all means use these to prove me wrong or accept me as right.



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petros

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Twin_Moose

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The right way to carry out the vaccination phase so that we don't have the crazies run amok (and avoid creating two classes of people) is to let it be voluntary and see where the numbers go.

If cases go down dramatically, then nothing else needs to be done, really.

Trudeau warns COVID-19 vaccine will come later to Canada than other countries


OTTAWA – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadians won’t be front of the line when COVID-19 vaccines become available, because the first doses will be made outside of our borders.


“One of the things to remember is Canada no longer has any domestic production capacity for vaccines,” Trudeau said outside Rideau Cottage Tuesday. “Countries like the United States, Germany and the U.K. do have domestic pharmaceutical facilities which is why they’re obviously going to prioritize helping their citizens first.”

Trudeau said Canada’s doses would follow shortly after, and he expects to see them in the first quarter of next year. But he said the first doses from the assembly line will go to the countries where the vaccine is made.

With promising news from several vaccine manufacturers, in recent weeks officials in those countries have said their citizenry could start receiving vaccines as early as December........
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TheShadow

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It rubs the propaganda in or it gets the hose again.

Put the propaganda in the basket.

I can back my claims and by all means use these to prove me wrong or accept me as right.



**sigh**

No one is saying there are not issues with LTC but most of your conclusions about covid are drivel.
 

taxslave

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The right way to carry out the vaccination phase so that we don't have the crazies run amok (and avoid creating two classes of people) is to let it be voluntary and see where the numbers go.

If cases go down dramatically, then nothing else needs to be done, really.
Trying to apply common sense to politicians with an agenda? Fortunately there is not enough vaccine available to poison everybody in one go, so it will effectively be volunteer.
 

Aetheric

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So much wrong in this post.

You can't fix stupid.

Which part did you not like, the facts in graph form, the linked peer-reviewed studies, or the historical truths?

You cannot dispute any of the facts that has been presented in this thread, so you throw insults around.
Read the data, and try to actually cogitate on what you have read, you know, research to learn.

Here is a massive meta-analysis peer-reviewed study from the WHO,
all the evidence you need to leave your ignorance behind and start your journey back to humanity.
We will be here to welcome you, no name-calling, no belittling, no tit-for-tat.

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. – Martin Luther King, Jr.

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JLM

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Personally I think the masks are a waste of time. If you don't have the discipline of a surgeon to not keep touching your face and then touching other stuff, well, it's an exercise in futility that makes it look like the govt is doing something while causing some people to get all f*cking holier-than-thou about wearing a mask.
Any barrier between you and the virus is bound to be better than nothing! Not rocket science!
 
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DaSleeper

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The mask you wear is to protect others from your germs not to protect you!
Just like surgeons wear masks to protect the patient from their germs !

 
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JLM

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The mask you wear is to protect others from your germs not to protect you!
Just like surgeons wear masks to protect the patient from their germs !

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JLM

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"The mask you wear is to protect others from your germs not to protect you!
Just like surgeons wear masks to protect the patient from their germs !"
That is very true and if you wear your mask it might make other happier to wear theirs and that is where YOUR protection comes in!
 

Decapoda

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That is very true and if you wear your mask it might make other happier to wear theirs and that is where YOUR protection comes in!
Yes...because masks are all about how they make us feel, not about their actual efficacy. And manipulation through covert-aggressive threats directed toward people who don't share in your dogma seems to be the modus operendi with many these days, I see you subscribe to this as well.
 

JLM

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Yes...because masks are all about how they make us feel, not about their actual efficacy. And manipulation through covert-aggressive threats directed toward people who don't share in your dogma seems to be the modus operendi with many these days, I see you subscribe to this as well.
Sorry 'Fraid not. :)
 

Decapoda

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Serious question: Why are there no bio-hazard bins for used masks and gloves if this virus is so contagious and deadly?
Because it's mainly intended to show your virtue, that you're doing your part, and that "we're all in this together".

Also interesting that public education of proper mask use has been largely abandoned by the powers that be. In fact, most mask proponents are now telling people to wear a mask in restaurants and pull your mask down between bites!! Guess as long as it looks like you're conforming and are on board, it's good enough.

Not sure about gloves, but the disposable masks that everyone uses are not rated to stop anything smaller than a booger. They fit too loose and the virus and particles it's attached to simply passes right through them. N95 masks are marginally better if fitted properly and not pulled up and down constantly, but even those only filter particles down to .3 microns (the virus is between .06 and .125 microns for reference.) N95 will stop some water vapour that the virus is attached to (avg. .5-10 microns).