Another War in the Works

AnnaG

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Nuke the planet. Just never mind beating around the bush; just screw the whole globe.
 

EagleSmack

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They are anti-war unless a Democrat is sitting in the Executive Office.

Have you heard of any anti-war rallies lately? Any big ones planned? They are not to be found.

I do mean that some on the far left WANTS the US to hit Iran because they would get off on the furor it causes. The conflict, the casualties, the outpouring of emotions a new war would cause...they roll in ecstasy in that. I guess Iraq and Afghanistan isn't doing "it" for them.
 

earth_as_one

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EAO - Now that you have read my previous post. Some more info for you.

Here you go.
RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAL

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".
"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.....

Here is a BBC translation of the same paragraph plus the following one:

... If one day, the Islamic world is also equipped with weapons like those that Israel possesses now, then the imperialists' strategy will reach a standstill because the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything. However, it will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality. Of course, you can see that the Americans have kept their eyes peeled and they are carefully looking for even the slightest hint that technological advances are being made by an independent Islamic country. If an independent Islamic country is thinking about acquiring other kinds of weaponry, then they will do their utmost to prevent it from acquiring them. Well, that is something that almost the entire world is discussing right now.

Now, even if that does not happen, they can still inflict greater costs on the imperialists. That is possible as well. Developments over the last few months really frightened the Americans. That is a cost in itself. Under special circumstances, such costs may be inflicted on the imperialists by people who are fighting for their rights or by Muslims. Then they will compare them to see how they could advance their interests better or what they can do. However, we cannot engage in such debates for too long. We cannot encourage that sort of thing either. I am only talking about the natural course of developments. The natural course of developments is such that such things may happen...

Rafsanjani warns of high cost of US support for Israel

I suggest people follow the link above and read the entire speech themselves. I'm not saying you should agree with Rafsanjani's statements. On the contrary, I suggest you develop your own opinion based on what Rafsanjani actually said.

When I read the entire speech and consider context, I interpret the paragraph as a hypothetical statement about a possible future scenario and their impact.

Here is how I would interpret Rafsanjani's statements:
The US and Israel could not fight a nuclear war with an Islamic state armed with nukes because Israel would be too easy to destroy. Which means that Israel and the US will do everything in their powers to prevent this from happening.

When I compare my understanding of that paragraph in context with Iran Press Service's (IPS) interpretation: "MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL", I conclude IPS is deliberately misinterpreting Rafsanjani's statement.

Upon further investigation of IPS, I found that they specialize in finding the most provocative statements made by Iranian leaders and twisting them for anti-Iran propaganda purposes. Not surprisingly the Iranian Press Service is run by Iranian dissidents and exiles who seek to destabilize and overthrow the Iranian government.

I suppose I could deconstruct every one of Goober's references, but what would be the point?
 

Goober

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Here is a BBC translation of the same paragraph plus the following one:



I suggest people follow the link above and read the entire speech themselves. I'm not saying you should agree with Rafsanjani's statements. On the contrary, I suggest you develop your own opinion based on what Rafsanjani actually said.

When I read the entire speech and consider context, I interpret the paragraph as a hypothetical statement about a possible future scenario and their impact.

Here is how I would interpret Rafsanjani's statements:


When I compare my understanding of that paragraph in context with Iran Press Service's (IPS) interpretation: "MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL", I conclude IPS is deliberately misinterpreting Rafsanjani's statement.

Upon further investigation of IPS, I found that they specialize in finding the most provocative statements made by Iranian leaders and twisting them for anti-Iran propaganda purposes. Not surprisingly the Iranian Press Service is run by Iranian dissidents and exiles who seek to destabilize and overthrow the Iranian government.

I suppose I could deconstruct every one of Goober's references, but what would be the point?

EAO- You may be correct - I will do more checking - also another post regarding the IAEA - No reply as of yet. I realize you are busy - PS - Npote that interpretation of Arabic and Persian can be quite difficult and also why would he stoke the flames of hate? -
 

Kreskin

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I saw go at it and kick some ass. Run the a-hole and his cleric friends out at the same time.
 

earth_as_one

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Have any of you given any thought where the fallout and Jew dust would settle If Israel is nuked?

Ever think that maybe just maybe the real joke of this lie is that the entire fresh water supply for the entire Middle East would be forever deemed toxic for a very long long time.

Simply put Israel can't be nuked. Not now and not in the future. Perhaps if multiple nations were being attacked at once yeah but not on it's own as a terrorist plot.

How well do you think Canada's penis and Toronto would fair if Canada nuked Detroit?

When the US and Iran stop playing the fear game and your gasoline mysteriously increases by 20 cents a litre maybe it will click in that you are being played?

Nah. It's far too easy to hate and spew violent sociopathic gibberish about some made up boogieman than face reality.

I agree with your first points that Israel can't be nuked.

Also you could very well be correct that this is just a "fear" game to push up the price of oil. The trouble with games like these is that someone might accidentally pull the trigger like the two Canadian soldiers playing quick draw in a tent in Afghanistan. Then its not a game anymore.
 

Cliffy

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Iran's government was democratically elected. They don't want or need anyone else's advice on how to run their government.

Are you trying to take away the hate mongers purpose in life? If they stop hating Iranians because of facts, they might start looking for someone else to hate - like Canada.8O
 

Colpy

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Iran's government was democratically elected. They don't want or need anyone else's advice on how to run their government.


HAHAHAHAHAHAsnarfleHEEHEEHEEgiggleHAHAHAHAgasp!HARHARHAR

Stop it! You're killing me!

You ARE joking, aren't you?

Yep. The Iranian gov't is democratically elected......If you consider "democratically" having every candidate vetted by a nutcase cleric, and if you call "democratically" having the ballot boxes stuffed in favour of the incumbent......

OMG! Aren't you one of the guys that claimed BUSH was a usurper????????

I guess consistency is simply too much to wish for.
 

gopher

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''If you consider "democratically" having every candidate vetted by a nutcase cleric, and if you call "democratically" having the ballot boxes stuffed in favour of the incumbent......

OMG! Aren't you one of the guys that claimed BUSH was a usurper????????''



It worked for Karzai and you of the far right did not object when that happened, right?

As for Bush, that was OK, too wasn't it.

How about you showing some consistency of your own?
 

gopher

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''anti-war''


I guarantee that there is one way to keep all right wingers vehemently anti-war: just impose a 100% excess profits tax on ALL war profits. Once that's done, you will never again see them clamoring for war.

Guaranteed!