Another War in the Works

Colpy

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Because war and rebuilding after war involves huge profits.

Name one war in history that was a financial flop for big business or banking cartels.

Their religion is money not Heeb, Muzzie or Chrissy.

Yep....those businesses in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were booming in Sept 1945... :roll:
 

earth_as_one

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Explain to me why Israel would start an unprovoked war with one of the few countries in the ME that could actually stand up to Israel????

You understand that Israel depends on a citizen army.....that any war requiring ground forces that lasts more than a very few weeks can cripple the nation's economy? It is a nation of less than 6 million people............

Why, pray tell, would Israel put in jeopardy its high tech fighters in an extremely risky long-range attack.....without reason?

They set Saddam's nuclear program back decades....Thank God! (and much to the chagrin of France!!!!!)

Do you think Israel is led by suicidal idiots?????

Get a grip!!!!

I said Israel would start a war with Iran. I never said they'd fight it. That's the job of nations like Canada with leaders like Harper who unshakably support for whatever Israel does. How many Israelis fought in Iraq?

Somehow a majority of Americans and a good number of Canadians were convinced that Iraq threatened the world with their non-existent WMD stockpiles and were behind the events of 9/11 despite a lack of supporting evidence. How did that happen?

Recently Israel committed a series of war crimes in Gaza which included gunning down innocent women and children waving white flags and tying up children in stress positions next to their tanks as they shelled UN bomb shelters full of innocent civilians with chemical weapons. Yet not a single Western leader criticized Israel and you'd be hard pressed to find any details in our news. If Iran did these things, I'm sure we would have heard about it.

The average person can be convinced to support pretty much any war crime or ignore any crime against humanity with the right propaganda. I doubt the coming war with Iran will be any different. Right now anti-Iran propaganda has millions of people pissing themselves with fear over what is essentially an empty building still under construction.

Is it too much to ask that we wait for some actual proof of a threat before we start raining down death and destruction on millions of innocent people?
 
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I said Israel would start a war with Iran. I never said they'd fight it. That's the job of nations like Canada with leaders like Harper who unshakably support for whatever Israel does. How many Israelis fought in Iraq?

Somehow a majority of Americans and a good number of Canadians were convinced that Iraq threatened the world with their non-existent WMD stockpiles and were behind the events of 9/11 despite a lack of supporting evidence. How did that happen?

Recently Israel committed a series of war crimes in Gaza which included gunning down innocent women and children waving white flags, tying up children in stress positions next to their tanks as they shelled UN bomb shelters full of innocent civilians with chemical weapons. I never heard any western leader comment on this, did you? If Iran did these things, I'm sure they would have had a lot to say about it.

The average person can be convinced to support pretty much any war crime or ignore any atrocity with the right propaganda. I doubt the coming war with Iran will be any different. Right now anti-Iran propaganda has millions of people pissing themselves with fear over what is essentially an empty building still under construction.

Next time, why don't we wait for some actual proof of a threat before we start raining down death and destruction on millions of innocent people?
EAO - gave you some links - As normal you turn your back on reality - must be a very small room you inhabit - Only room for your viewpoint on the world - Such a pity.
 

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Sometimes I wish that Klaatu would land and give these idiotic leaders of nations a good talking to. They need it.
Either that or gather them all up, stick them in a gym or something to duke it out and leave the good people of their countries to carry on with their lives.
 

earth_as_one

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EAO - gave you some links - As normal you turn your back on reality - must be a very small room you inhabit - Only room for your viewpoint on the world - Such a pity.
Actually I'm ignoring your petty insults. Be civil and I might stop ignoring you.
 

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Actually I'm ignoring your petty insults. Be civil and I might stop ignoring you.
EAO - Now that you have read my previous post. Some more info for you.

Here you go.
RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAL

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".
"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.
Analysts said not only Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s speech was the strongest against Israel, but also this is the first time that a prominent leader of the Islamic Republic openly suggests the use of nuclear weapon against the Jewish State.
"It seems that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani is forgetting that due to the present intertwinement of Israel and Palestine, the destruction of the Jewish State would also means the mass killing of Palestinian population as well", observed one Iranian commentator.

 

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Actually I'm ignoring your petty insults. Be civil and I might stop ignoring you.
And some more for you. Note the bolded portion where the IAEA is not providing the info to the Security Council for an informed decision - Things that you overlook as always. It is in larger print and easier to note.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/middleeast/29nuke.html?ref=world

This has created plenty of bad blood with the United Nations agency. The departing chief of the I.A.E.A., Mohamed ElBaradei, recently argued that the case for urgent action against Iran was “hyped.” He acknowledged, however, that Iran has refused, for two years, to answer his inspectors’ questions about evidence suggesting that it was working on weapons design.
Now some European powers who fought with President George W. Bush over the evidence on Iraq — and were later vindicated by the failure to find unconventional weapons — are pressing Dr. ElBaradei to reveal what his agency has collected on its own, through regular inspections in Iran.
“Why doesn’t he provide us with the annexes of his report?” Bernard Kouchner, France’s foreign minister, asked last month, referring to material United Nations inspectors are believed to have compiled for internal discussions. Mr. Kouchner said those annexes contained “elements which enable us to ask questions about the reality of an atomic bomb. There are issues of warheads, of transport.”
Western intelligence officials now want to determine whether there are even more secret enrichment sites. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates dodged the question of whether there were additional sites during a television appearance over the weekend. Washington has said there may be more than a dozen sites involved in the nuclear program, though there have been no public indications as to what they are used for.
Graham Allison, the author of “Nuclear Terrorism” and a Harvard professor who focuses on proliferation, said he could not conceive of Iran’s building only one such site.
“How likely is it that the Qum facility is all there is? Zero. A prudent manager of a serious program would certainly have a number of sites,” he said.
 

petros

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Yep....those businesses in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were booming in Sept 1945... :roll:
Of course they were. Do you think Mitsubishi for example didn' get any contracts for heavy equipment to rebuild Hiroshima and Nagasaki from the same banks that financed Oak Ridge or cash fell from the sky like the bombs did? :roll:

Oil prices firm as tensions on Iran rise
(AFP) – 4 days ago
NEW YORK — Oil prices rose Friday as rekindled tensions over Iran's nuclear program overshadowed concerns about energy demand and the pace of economic recovery.
New York's main contract, light sweet crude for November delivery, rose 13 cents to close at 66.02 dollars a barrel.
Israeli investors outta be happy about that. I bet they are tickled pink about soon having pipelines across Jordan pumping that good ol Kurdish crude and loading it on tankers in Israeli ports for that short yet highly profitable hop across the Med.

Maybe that is where Saddam hid the WMDs? North, east, south, west and in and around the Kurdish territories. Israeli funded US WMD drill teams searched under the ground to try to find WMDs in the Kurdish region but only found oil. What are the odds of that?
 

jambo101

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I'll give the Onion a try,as i'm trying to find an unbiased news source..
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Checked out the Onion,interesting reading but too much parody and satire and i end up wondering whether i'm reading real news or just a made up story.

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

Irans nuclear and delivery capabilities compared to Isreals capabilities would be akin to bringing a knife to a gun fight,and if the Isrealis needed help they are allied with the biggest meanest dog on the planet.Irans leader is just a paper tiger doing a lot of sabre rattling to puff up his place in history. lets not paint all the Iranian people with the same brush as their idiotic government,as in most cases the people are usually hard working friendly people who dont deserve to be stereotyped by the actions of their government.
 
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Israeli investors outta be happy about that. I bet they are tickled pink about soon having pipelines across Jordan pumping that good ol Kurdish crude and loading it on tankers in Israeli ports for that short yet highly profitable hop across the Med.

Damn Joos - somebody outta do something about those guys huh.
 

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When I'm feeling intellectual, I read the comics.

I get my take on world affairs from "Terry and the Pirates."
 

ironsides

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I don’t see Obama going to war against Iran. For one thing, Obama is a lot more sensible than Bush. For another, Iran is much bigger than Iraq, and war against Iran would be even more of a disaster than the Iraq invasion.

So I don’t see any war between USA and Iran. That does not mean that USA or Israel cannot bomb the nuclear installations in Iran (like Israel did in Iraq a few years ago).

"US giant bunker-buster bomb project rushed since Iran's Qom site discovered
Special Report"

September 28, 2009, 6:26 PM (GMT+02:00)
The Pentagon has brought forward to December 2009 the target-date for producing the first 15-ton super bunker-buster bomb (GBU-57A/B) Massive Ordinance Penetrator, which can reach a depth of 60.09 meters underground before exploding. Military sources report that top defense agencies and air force units were also working against the clock to adapt the bay of a B2a Stealth bomber for carrying and delivering the bomb.
The Pentagon has ordered the number of bombs rolling off the production line increased from four to ten - a rush job triggered in May by the discovery that Iran was hiding a second uranium enrichment plant under a mountain near Qom - a discovery which prompted this week's international outcry.
Congress has since quietly inserted the necessary funding in the 2009 budget.
All this urgency indicates that the Obama administration has been preparing military muscle to back up the international condemnation of Iran's concealed nuclear bomb program, its sanctions threat and his willingness to join the negotiations with Iran opening on Oct. 1 in Geneva. Tehran may have to take into account a possible one-time surgical strike against its underground enrichment facility as a warning shot should its defiance continue. In particular, the world powers this week demanded that Iran open up all its nuclear facilities and programs to full and immediate international inspection. Failure to do so could bring forth further US military action.
According to our military sources, the earliest date for the accelerated Pentagon program to produce a super bunker buster bomb mounted on a stealth bomber is December 2009 or January 2010. This too is three years ahead of its original schedule.
Pressed into service are two US Air Force research centers for work on adapting the radar-evading stealth bomber to the giant bomb: the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base and the Munitions Directorate and Air Armament Center, both headquartered at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida.
Last month, Air Force Lt. Gen. Mark Shackelford disclosed that the Pentagon had decided to accelerate the production of 10-12 giant bunker buster bombs in response to intelligence received of Iranian and North Korean underground nuclear plants.
 

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To have your boy come home in a box!" Country Joe

Yup! Nothing stirs the blood of a patriot like the talk of war. The Pentagon is run by psychopaths. Now there is a place that should be nuked.
 

Spade

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"I'm sick and tired of old men starting wars that young men die in." - Senator George McGovern

"War would end if the dead could return." — Stanley Baldwin"

"There's is not to reason why;
There's is but to do and die"
-Tennyson

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen! "
- Kipling
 

ironsides

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The Left are all anti war, now we find out they are anti because it is not their war. Hopefully just the threat of using a bigger M.O.A.B. (Mother Of All Bombs) will bring someone to their senses.