A National Shame?

JLM

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It's probably acceptable because people, like myself, rarely ever visit the ER. On a similar note, making people wait for non-life threatening issues sort of discourages abuse of the system.

Absolutely - which by the way is a large part of our problem- as one E.R. nurse told me one time "we have our regulars". :lol:
 

Cliffy

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The vision's light blind's socialists to reality's darkness. Ideology trumps all.
And conservatives have their heads up their butt when it comes to helping their fellow humans. Conservatism is an ideology too and is one of the darker realities out there, especially in the US where lunatic fringe conservatives have taken over by the shear volume of their self-righteous, obnoxious screaming.

Whenever I needed immediate medical attention, I got it.
 
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DaSleeper

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And conservatives have their heads up their butt when it comes to helping their fellow humans. Conservatism is an ideology too and is one of the darker realities out there, especially in the US where lunatic fringe conservatives have taken over by the shear volume of their obnoxious screaming.

There you go...being condescending again...
 

cdn_bc_ca

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Ok, I get the concept of 'Universal Triage". However, there is a federal law which says no one is to be turned away from treatment. We don't turn people away at all. If I broke my arm and went to the ER and I didn't have insurance, I would still get a cast.

This example is in the US? Have you seen this: Sicko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You should because it's an eye-opener. Esp. the part where hospitals were offloading patients because they knew they couldn't pay.
 
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And conservatives have their heads up their butt when it comes to helping their fellow humans. Conservatism is an ideology too and is one of the darker realities out there, especially in the US where lunatic fringe conservatives have taken over by the shear volume of their obnoxious screaming.
Liberalism and it's close relatives communism and fascism have done more harm to mankind than anything in all of history.
 

karrie

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Yes I have. I've seen the shabby hospitals, I know that there aren't many doctors. I know all of this. It's why I am so outraged. I don't understand how you can possibly defend your country's dilapidated hospitals. They look like they belong in a third world country.


Nice buildings don't necessarily mean better care. Often they mean the opposite... that money is being spent on decorating instead of patient care, and padded into the bill.
 

cdn_bc_ca

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To be fair...anything by Michael More is suspect at best.

True enough, but security cameras don't lie (as in the case of the patient offloading). In fact, they offloaded the patients still wearing their hospital gowns and bracelets... how heartless is that?
 

karrie

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So I guess my comments need to be approved by a moderator now.

No, all new posters get auto-modded when posting links, and you have to wait for someone to come in and approve it. It is now BTW, and you're welcome.

Let me ask all of you: are you truly happy with the services provided by your government? Do you honestly think it is remotely acceptable that you must wait and wait and wait for medical care? Don't any of you realize how awful universal health care is?

I am truly happy with the fact that my government strives to provide basic care for all of its citizens. Does it get it 100% right? No. But I love that I don't have to stress about the status of my health insurance when my son has an asthma attack. I love that I have that access. I've never seen anyone wait for life saving surgery. Never seen anyone have to decide between a house, or surgery for their child.

The fact of the matter is, the most successful health care systems in the world are a combination of socialized and privatized medicine, much the way Canada is moving. To try to pick either one, or sit and try to fuss over who's 'right', is idiocy.
 

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Liberals think the truth is obnoxious. What did I say that wasn't correct???
What did you say that you know anything about? You are a victim of all the conservative rhetoric flying around the US coming out of the talking heads on FAUX News. Most of Europe has universal health care and most of them rate far above the US. In fact, it is the conservatives in the US that seem to be the only ones on the planet who can't see the benefit. I wonder why that is? I find it interesting that you think that having to pay through the ass is a great freedom that needs to be protected. Oh, I know, you would rather pay taxes up the whazoo for starting wars all over the planet than to allow the poor access to health care. You are a very weird bunch indeed.
 

gerryh

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You know what? Thank you for that advice. I have absolutely no idea how to do organize thru a private medical group. My mom is dying from kidney failure. It's complicated. However, it's very infuriating to see her suffer with her psoriasis. I wish Canada wasn't so enamored of socialism. It's beyond shameful.

Insulin? Debatable. Who Is the True Inventor of Insulin?



It's a blog. nuff said
 

karrie

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Ok, I get the concept of 'Universal Triage". However, there is a federal law which says no one is to be turned away from treatment. We don't turn people away at all. If I broke my arm and went to the ER and I didn't have insurance, I would still get a cast.

That's the funny part they've managed to skip past the American public.... you HAVE socialized health care. But, it still doesn't apply to all things, like chemotherapy, etc., from what I understand.
 

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That's the funny part they've managed to skip past the American public.... you HAVE socialized health care. But, it still doesn't apply to all things, like chemotherapy, etc., from what I understand.
How is that socialized health care?
 

karrie

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The vision's light blind's socialists to reality's darkness. Ideology trumps all.

That's not a very cogent argument to the fact that you're sitting in a forum full of real Canadians telling you their real experiences and opinions and impressions. We're not blind. Many aren't even socialist. If you want to ignore what's being said because yuou don't like the opinion being stated, I think blindness and an inability to see reality might be your impairments, not those of the participants.

How is that socialized health care?

Are your taxes paying to ensure that everyone gets health care if they really need it? yup. It's just as socialized as welfare and food stamps my friend.