A National Shame?
- Thread starter Joffen
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Meaningless gibberish. Quite honestly, I lean more in favour of a two-tier system myself. That said, how about you try to argue on facts rather than soundbites. If you're so opposed to socialism, then how do you propose we finance the military (stock market?)? Roads (a toll boot at each intersection?)? Or what about the municipal sewer system. To say socialism has failed is to say all of these have failed too.
Instead, how about you acknowledge that there are some things the private sector does better and others the government sector does better, and so in this case it's not the great ideological battle between capitalism and socialism that's at stake, but rather whether health care specifically can work better under a private or public system.
If I faint in the street one day, how should be dealt with? According to a pure capitalist system, should the paramedics haul me off to the hospital and doctors operate on me, seeing that I was in no state to agree to a contract, any charges and fees they try to impose on me ought to be null and void, right? Now on the flip side of course, in a purely capitalist system, they also have the right to choose to help me or not. So if I happened to be heading to work in a suit and tie when I fainted, who knows, they might help me, figuring that though they can't charge me for the services they render while I'm unconscious (which they'd just have to swallow in overhead), maybe they could make up for it by offering additional services I can agree to at higher cost once I'm lucid enough to agree to a contract.
Should it have been the weekend and I was heading to the park in old pants and a t-shirt, I'm screwed. They wouldn't even touch me.
So smarty, how does the capitalist system deal with that. Do we go Ferengi on this and let the market decide in pure capitalist fashion even though according to traditional capitalist thought that one must agree to a contract, that in many cases the patient is in no position to agree anyway, thus making most initial emergency help uncontractual.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure where I stand on health care, though overall I'd probably lean more towards it going capitalist along with charity. That said, to through out cheap soundbites contributes nothing to the discussion.
I'm not sure if in the long run it really matters- we know one thing for sure WE have to pay for it. One good thing about healthcare is every young healthy person and those of us who are not so young and healthy have the choice to a certain extent to reduce the costs. My doctor told me a few years ago that if every healthy person in Canada walked for an hour every day, eventually our health costs would be cut in half. That makes sense. Now I just wish the Gov't would give us tax credits for healthy activities and just tax the sh*t out of anything with more than a necessary level of sugar, salt and M.S.G. in it. Things like potato chips are just a "heart attack in a bag".
Ain't this grand?.. Here we have to expat trolls that feel a burning need to justify their own sh*tty circumstances by railing at the 'system' which they turned their backs against how ever long ago.
No question that in the event that either one of these pin-heads are informed with the news that there is a grave medical concern; both will jump on the first plane and retreat to the Canadian medical system that they loathe so much.
Joffen, as for you; it's clear that you lost you argument re: 'freedom' when asked about the Patriot Act. All of your arguments are flimsy and anecdotal at best... You'd be wise to check the details of your health insurance in terms of pre-existing conditions, caveats, restrictions and approved facilities/treatment options. No doubt that once all of your information is clear, you'll set aside a few dollars (the money that you refuse to spend on your Mom) for a plane ticket and cab fare to Toronto General.
No... he is Canadian. Unless he is fibbing and pretending to be a Canadian.
If he is telling the truth about being a Canadian living in New York then he is YOUR compatriot.
Perhaps not... but I don't go around calling Gopher a Canuck. He is one of ours... and I say that sadly.
Good point:smile:
If he applies for US citizenship, he's yours to keep and I won't object:lol:
I suspect he's fibbing to troll frankly. 'We' is what he uses when discussing the US, 'You' when discussing Canada. And the governor of New Found Land? lol.
The minute gopher starts calling himself a Canadian I bet you'd gladly let him keep the label
Sounds fishy for sure.
The minute gopher starts calling himself a Canadian I bet you'd gladly let him keep the label
I'll laugh... but I won't go bonkers. We have so many clowns here, especially in Massachusetts. Gopher would fit right in. Then again his state elected Sen. Stuart Smalley... errr Al Franken.
Without stooping down to cheap anti-socialist rhetoric, I will say that I would personally prefer moving our medicare towards a relatively more social-corporatist or, alternatively, capitalist, system.
That said, if we insist on maintaining a socialized system, then I totally agree with your proposal that the taxation system be relatively more user-pay without a doubt.
Though I would prefer leaning more towards a social-corporatist or capitalist system, I can also acknowledge some advantages of the socialized system too.
''Perhaps not... but I don't go around calling Gopher a Canuck. He is one of ours... and I say that sadly.''
LOL> we disown you.
'' I can also acknowledge some advantages of the socialized system too.''
As taxpayers we paid for Europe's socialist health care through the Marshall Plan. And we continue to pay for Israel's socialist health care. While the pro death Republicans like Eagle applaud these expenses, they condemn using those same funds to save the lives of 45,000 Americans which includes 17,000 children on a yearly basis. As I wrote above these baby killers have murdered more people than Saddam, Hitler, and Hirohito combined. Too bad the Judgment Day is so far away!
LOL> we disown you.
'' I can also acknowledge some advantages of the socialized system too.''
As taxpayers we paid for Europe's socialist health care through the Marshall Plan. And we continue to pay for Israel's socialist health care. While the pro death Republicans like Eagle applaud these expenses, they condemn using those same funds to save the lives of 45,000 Americans which includes 17,000 children on a yearly basis. As I wrote above these baby killers have murdered more people than Saddam, Hitler, and Hirohito combined. Too bad the Judgment Day is so far away!
You spending money frivolously has no relation to the quality of a heathcare system.
