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Curious Cdn

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SInce you feel the need to protect some Canadian activities, you have nothing to complain
about the Americans doing the same.

They already do, just like we do but in a much bigger way. The corn subsidies are huge and never ending.

http://www.economist.com/united-states/2015/02/12/milking-taxpayers

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=corn

Attacking our dairy supply system, implying that we've stolen something from the United States is pure nonsense as they haven't sold their milk here in living memory. How could we have stolen trade from them that was never, ever theirs?

Then again, you COULD surrender after the first crazy threats from the Mad POTUS if you feel scared, I suppose.

I would prefer that there is a level playing field where anyone that wants to can compete without haveing the taxpayers working against him.

Here you go. Alberta dairy farmers respond to Mad POTUS:

Alberta dairy industry slams Trump statements amid developing trade war
 

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Giving money to girls to go to school is obviously against the white nationalist climate change denier grain.
 

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Trump is standing up for Trump and his filthy rich friends. He doesn't give a phuk about anybody else. Why can't you see that?

His "filthy rich" friends are paying taxes and contribute a lot to charity, which is a good sign as he knows which side his bread is buttered on. Should being rich disqualify you from gov't. support?
 

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Trump's tweets slam Canada and Trudeau anew from Singapore

QUEBEC - President Donald Trump took more swipes at Canada and its prime minister over trade issues as he settled in for a multiday summit with North Korea in Singapore, contending that "Fair Trade is now to be called Fool Trade if it is not Reciprocal."
Trump roiled the Group of Seven meeting in Canada by first agreeing to a group statement on trade only to withdraw from it while complaining that he had been blindsided by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's criticism of Trump's tariff threats at a summit-ending news conference. As he flew from Canada to Singapore Saturday night, Trump displayed his ire via Twitter, which he also employed to insult Trudeau as "dishonest" and "weak."
The attack on a longtime ally and its leader drew sharp criticism. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who also attended the summit, told German public television that she found Trump's tweet disavowing the G-7 statement "sobering" and "a little depressing." Merkel also said the European Union would "act" against the U.S. trade measures.
Unbowed, Trump tweeted anew Monday morning from Singapore: "Fair Trade is now to be called Fool Trade if it is not Reciprocal. According to a Canada release, they make almost 100 Billion Dollars in Trade with U.S. (guess they were bragging and got caught!). Minimum is 17B. Tax Dairy from us at 270%. Then Justin acts hurt when called out!"
He added: "Why should I, as President of the United States, allow countries to continue to make Massive Trade Surpluses, as they have for decades, while our Farmers, Workers & Taxpayers have such a big and unfair price to pay? Not fair to the PEOPLE of America! $800 Billion Trade Deficit...And add to that the fact that the U.S. pays close to the entire cost of NATO-protecting many of these same countries that rip us off on Trade (they pay only a fraction of the cost-and laugh!). The European Union had a $151 Billion Surplus-should pay much more for Military!"
And he brought in Merkel's government: ....Germany pays 1% (slowly) of GDP towards NATO, while we pay 4% of a MUCH larger GDP. Does anybody believe that makes sense? We protect Europe (which is good) at great financial loss, and then get unfairly clobbered on Trade. Change is coming!"
Earlier, the White House escalated the initial tirade and levelled more withering and unprecedented criticism against Trudeau, branding him a back-stabber unworthy of Trump's time.
"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro said in an interview nationally broadcast Sunday in the United States. Canada's foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland, said her country "does not conduct its diplomacy through ad hominem attacks."
The verbal volleys by Navarro and Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, picked up where Trump had left off Saturday evening. Kudlow suggested Trump saw Trudeau as trying to weaken his hand before that meeting, saying the president won't "let a Canadian prime minister push him around. ... Kim must not see American weakness."
Trudeau, who had said at the news conference that Canada would retaliate for new U.S. tariffs, didn't respond to questions about Trump when the prime minister arrived at a Quebec City hotel Sunday for meetings with other world leaders. Freeland later told reporters that "we don't think that's a useful or productive way to do business."
A Trudeau spokesman, Cameron Ahmad, said Saturday night that Trudeau "said nothing he hasn't said before — both in public and in private conversations" with Trump.
And Roland Paris, a former foreign policy adviser to Trudeau, jabbed at Trump on Twitter: "Big tough guy once he's back on his airplane. Can't do it in person. ... He's a pathetic little man-child." Trudeau said he had reiterated to Trump, who left the G-7 meeting before it ended, that tariffs would harm industries and workers on both sides of the U.S.-Canada border. Trudeau told reporters that imposing retaliatory measures "is not something I relish doing" but that he wouldn't hesitate to do so because "I will always protect Canadian workers and Canadian interests."
Navarro, the Trump trade adviser, said his harsh assessment of what "bad faith" Trudeau did with "that stunt press conference" on Saturday "comes right from Air Force One."
He said Trump "did the courtesy to Justin Trudeau to travel up to Quebec for that summit. He had other things, bigger things, on his plate in Singapore. ... He did him a favour and he was even willing to sign that socialist communique. And what did Trudeau do as soon as the plane took off from Canadian airspace? Trudeau stuck our president in the back. That will not stand."
Kudlow, in a separate TV appearance, said Trudeau was "polarizing" and "really kind of stabbed us in the back." The Canadian leader pulled a "sophomoric political stunt for domestic consumption," Kudlow said, that amounted to "a betrayal."
"Don't blame Trump. It was Trudeau who started blasting Trump after he left, after the deals had been made." Kudlow said Trump won't let people "take pot shots at him" and that Trudeau "should've known better."
But the criticism left a former Canadian prime minister, Stephen Harper, stumped. "I don't understand the obsession with trade relations with Canada," he said, given that Canada is the biggest single buyer of American goods and services in the world. From promoting democracy and to fighting terrorism, "we're on the same page. We're the closest partners in the world and you don't want to see a dispute over one particular issue poison everything."
Trudeau had said Canadians "are polite, we're reasonable, but also we will not be pushed around." He described all seven leaders coming together to sign the joint declaration despite having "some strong, firm conversations on trade, and specifically on American tariffs."
In the air by then, Trump tweeted: "Based on Justin's false statements at his news conference, and the fact that Canada is charging massive Tariffs to our U.S. farmers, workers and companies, I have instructed our U.S. Reps not to endorse the Communique as we look at Tariffs on automobiles flooding the U.S. Market!"
He followed up by tweeting: "PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, "US Tariffs were kind of insulting" and he "will not be pushed around." Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!"
Navarro appeared on "Fox News Sunday," and Kudlow was on CNN's "State of the Union" and CBS' "Face the Nation" and Harper spoke on Fox's "Sunday Morning Futures."

Pretty easy to talk smack when your target has left the country for a real world problem and possible Noble Peace Prize
 

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Trump's tweets slam Canada and Trudeau anew from Singapore

QUEBEC - President Donald Trump took more swipes at Canada and its prime minister over trade issues as he settled in for a multiday summit with North Korea in Singapore, contending that "Fair Trade is now to be called Fool Trade if it is not Reciprocal."

When it's all over we'll probably look back on it as a "tempest in a teacup"!
 

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Maybe he'll show as much guts as his old man.....




To be fair, the old man had balls.
Made some decisions that turned out to be terrible, but balls he had.
The way Tater sits, you just know he's packing nothing.

Tater Tot has to tape his balls on, just like his eyebrows.
 

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Trump didn't want to be at the G7. He certainly didn't want to sign anything. He thinks the West has been bleeding America dry and has little regard for the Western military alliance which he thinks the U.S. alone is paying for.

He stewed on plane as to how to get out of any understandings he agreed to and was looking for any excuse.. and Trudeau, as host, just got in the way as a target of opportunity for some rather muted, bland criticism of American policy.

Frankly Trump's response couldn't have been done worse, and i'm speaking has someone who generally supports Tump's economic (and cultural) nationalism.

But these public characterizations of Trudeau as weak and dishonest.. and by Navarro and Ludlow of a 'stab in back, betrayal, a special place in hell' were such disproportionate, unfocussed, enraged rantings that he appeared to be unhinged. His sidekicks look like damn fools and puppets for Trump tirades.

Not the least of all, it has completely distracted attention for what was to his prime totem foreign affairs achievement in the summit with North Korea.
 
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To "there's a special spot in Hell" comment was hilarious.

High School level repartee.
 

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There's a special spot in hell for Trump's Press Secretaries ... until they finally leave the White House and move on to a better job.
 

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https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/no-nafta-without-five-sunset-164924566.html


Canada states its not going to renegotiate NAFTA unless the U.S. removes steel and aluminum tariffs. There is NO chance that Trump will do that, which means the U.S. will likely abrogate the Agreement itself later this year.

As someone who supported Mel Hurtig's National Party opposition to NAFTA in 1993, i think it has NEVER worked in Canada's interests. So good riddance. But we need a plan in its place. A comprehensive plan to rebuild a sovereign, national, integrated, dirigiste and progressive industrial economy which involves permanent tariffs and targeted support for development (beginning with oil refineries and including agricultural marketing boards)

Trudeau is clueless on the subject. He's no nationalist and he has no understanding of economic nationalism. But frankly the Conservatives have been part and parcel of selling out Canada's manufacturing, agricultural and idustrial vigour to multilateral Free Trade agreements for 30 years . We need a new generation of leaders who can respond to this.

Trump is not an isolated, asymmetric figure. The EU is imploding, with nationalist governments taking over Poland, Hungary, Italy.. with Brexit. It's caving in from the margins inward. What happened in G7 was a manifestation of the collapse of the Western trading hegemony.
 
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https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/no-nafta-without-five-sunset-164924566.html


Canada states its not going to renegotiate NAFTA unless the U.S. removes steel and aluminum tariffs. There is NO chance that Trump will do that, which means the U.S. will likely abrogate the Agreement itself later this year.

As someone who supported Mel Hurtig's National Party opposition to NAFTA in 1993, i think it has NEVER worked in Canada's interests. So good riddance. But we need a plan in its place. A comprehensive plan to rebuild a sovereign, national, integrated industrial economy which involves permanent tariffs and targeted support for development (beginning with oil refineries and including agricultural marketing boards)

Trudeau is clueless on the subject. He's no nationalist and he has no understanding of economic nationalism. But frankly the Conservatives have been part and parcel of selling out Canada's manufacturing and idustrial vigour to multilateral Free Trade agreements for 30 years . We need a new generation of leaders who can respond to this.

Trump is not an isolated, asymmetric figure. The EU is imploding, with nationalist governments taking over Poland, Hungary, Italy.. with Brexit. It's caving in from the margins inward. What happened in G7 was a manifestation of the collapse of the Western trading hegemony.

I'd suggest we learn from wealthier jurisdictions than ours, like Singapore's and Hong Kong's for example.
 

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https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/no-nafta-without-five-sunset-164924566.html


Canada states its not going to renegotiate NAFTA unless the U.S. removes steel and aluminum tariffs. There is NO chance that Trump will do that, which means the U.S. will likely abrogate the Agreement itself later this year.

As someone who supported Mel Hurtig's National Party opposition to NAFTA in 1993, i think it has NEVER worked in Canada's interests. So good riddance. But we need a plan in its place. A comprehensive plan to rebuild a sovereign, national, integrated, dirigiste and progressive industrial economy which involves permanent tariffs and targeted support for development (beginning with oil refineries and including agricultural marketing boards)


Nice idea, been a nice idea for 100 years, always been just too easy to sell off stuff to the US or now China
for the easy quick buck. Hewers of wood, drawers of water.

That kind of economic change would takes years if not decades to pull off.
I think we would need a better plan for the next 6 months or a year.



Trudeau is clueless on the subject. He's no nationalist and he has no understanding of economic nationalism. But frankly the Conservatives have been part and parcel of selling out Canada's manufacturing, agricultural and idustrial vigour to multilateral Free Trade agreements for 30 years . We need a new generation of leaders who can respond to this.
Trudeau is a no borders globalist, probably think the EU will come to save us. Fat chance of that.

Bigger chance is we start to receive food aid from China.




Trump is not an isolated, asymmetric figure. The EU is imploding, with nationalist governments taking over Poland, Hungary, Italy.. with Brexit. It's caving in from the margins inward. What happened in G7 was a manifestation of the collapse of the Western trading hegemony.


If you really want Canada to become a lot more independent and self sustaining, better be prepared to elect a real Facist government.
Or a serious Stalinist one.
Because only then can you marshal, brutally crushing any opposition from anyone, the funds, decisions, targets,
full speed ahead and fukc the cost if people die, get property seized, forcibly relocated, any of it.


That's what it would take.
 

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There is a good chance that Congress will remove the Trump tariffs.

If the dems take control at mid term as now looks likely it is a certainty.