44th G7 summit-Quebec. CA
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I don't have a clue, but Trump could have been given the chance to explain as he should as he made the statement.
That's sad, isn't it. when was the last time a Canadian Prime Minister was more pro-free-trade than a contemporary US president?
So given an unreasonable statement, and before hearing any justification of said statement, you would prefer to believe the unreasonable statement flat out without qualification? Hoping for some justification in the future of that statement?
For me the statement is pure claptrap. If he comes up with some sort of reasonable explanation, I will gladly reconsider my opinion.
I can answer that. The President has the arbitrary power to impose tariffs on strategic materials, only. If he wants to play the punitive trade game, the only tool at his disposal is to declare Canadian aluminum and steel as a threat to US security. If not, it is up to Congress to make trade laws and he would have a great deal of difficulty controlling them.
I have the same trouble with Justin Trudeau as I did with Dalton McGuinty. I can't for the life of me watch them speak...on any topic. They ooze insincerity from every pore. It's like watching bad actors in a high school play every time they open their mouths.
He's had plenty of time to explain....but then his focus is so fleeting that he probably forgot what he wrote the moment he sent the tweet.
Oh get over yourself. JT is doing what any sitting PM would do under the circumstances. He has no choice - none.
Since the former government.
International trade is not my forte. I do think I'm able to use a little psychology and diplomacy. Put the ball back in his court by indicating you are ready to agree with a plausible explanation.
I am just listening to a discussion C.B.C. apparently he acted fairly reason until he boarded that plane for Singapore. It must have been the high altitude that affected him. :lol: Don't forget Trudeau is just as "dug in" with his demands as what Trump is.
It's pretty rare that I disagree with you, Mowich, but I personally feel Justin had other choices and dropped the ball. I think Trudeau is just as dug in as what Trump is. I think a little psychology is called for. Trump won't back off as long as he can see Trudeau is as determined as he is now. One thing is clear, they both have to give up something, and Trump KNOWS that. What do you think would happen if Trudeau said to Trump.........."tell us exactly what it is you want and I'll TRY to meet you half way"? Now the ball is back in Trump's court.
I don't think Trump would have tweeted anything if Trudeau would have actually said it to his face what he said behind his back at a international news conference
Trump knocks Trudeau in Singapore comments
SINGAPORE - U.S. President Donald Trump says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's assertion that Canada "will not be pushed around" will end up costing Canadians "a lot of money."
Trump gave a wide-ranging news conference in Singapore on Tuesday following his landmark summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, in which the two leaders spoke for several hours.
Among the many topics the president addressed with reporters afterward was his recent Twitter campaign against Trudeau, whom he has called "dishonest" and "weak."
Those comments came after Trudeau's closing news conference at the G7 summit in Quebec on Saturday, when the prime minister said he had pushed back against the Trump administration's tariffs on steel and aluminum.
Trump says he watched that news conference on his way to Singapore, and was upset because he thought he and Trudeau had had a positive meeting in Charlevoix.
Trump says Trudeau "probably didn't know that Air Force One has about 20 televisions. "I see the television and he's giving a news conference about how he 'will not be pushed around' by the United States. And I say, 'Push him around? We just shook hands!'" Trump said Tuesday.
"We finished the (G7) meeting and really everybody was happy."
Trump has consistently railed against what he claims are unfair trade practices by some of America's biggest trade partners, including Canada.
One particular source of his ire recently has been Canada's supply management system, which levels tariffs of up to 300 per cent on imported dairy products.
"It's very unfair to our farmers, and it's very unfair to the people of our country," Trump said Tuesday in Singapore.
"It's very unfair, and it's very unfair to our workers, and I'm gonna straighten it out. And it won't even be tough."
Canadian dairy farmers cling to protections as Trump demands concessions
Canadian dairy farmers want trade negotiators to keep their hands off the protected sector in increasingly contentious talks with the United States, however loudly U.S. President Donald Trump demands greater access, an executive with Canada's biggest dairy lobby group said on Monday. The sector, worth C$21 billion ($16.2 billion) in farm and processed dairy shipment sales, is the target of blistering verbal attacks and Twitter posts from Trump who complains that Canada's tariffs, as high as 314 percent, are unfair to the United States.
Dairy has emerged as the latest flashpoint between the U.S. and Canada as they renegotiate the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement. Trump's attacks accelerated leading up to the weekend Group of Seven summit in Quebec, which ended with Trump withdrawing U.S. support for the G7's communique and criticizing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Dairy "should be off the table for these negotiations," David Wiens, a Manitoba dairy farmer and vice-president of Dairy Farmers of Canada (DFC) said of NAFTA talks.
Canada's 11,000 dairy farmers are concentrated in vote-rich provinces Quebec and Ontario, giving the industry out-sized influence in domestic politics.
In recent trade deals with the European Union and a group of Asia-Pacific nations, Canada conceded larger tariff-free dairy quotas.
But the DFC's stance that it is unwilling to support more concessions may not be reaching politicians.
Trudeau last week said in a U.S. television interview that Canada had "flexibility" on dairy, while U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue told U.S. Farm Report that Canada offered dairy concessions that were insufficient. Trudeau was scheduled to meet with DFC on Monday.
Ten percent of the Canadian dairy market is open to imports, with the rest effectively blocked by massive tariffs. Since the 1970s, Canada has controlled supplies of dairy, poultry and eggs to match domestic consumption, and prices are set by a government corporation and provincial boards.
The DFC's Wiens said giving up further market share would "make it very difficult for us to continue the growth and investment we've seen in the past several years. Opening to the U.S. market would be devastating."
The U.S. Dairy Export Council reported the value of U.S. dairy exports in 2016 as $4.8 billion.
Processors and farmers would be less likely to modernize operations, Wiens said.
With enough concessions, the value of farmers' production quotas, worth about C$25,000 per cow, could fall as other countries gain market share, said Mike Gifford, a retired government official who was Canada's agriculture trade negotiator on NAFTA.
Canada will have to make dairy concessions to get a U.S. trade deal, but it does not have to mean dismantling supply management, Gifford said.
"If you're a negotiator you have to know what's sensitive for the other guy and what does the other guy need to get in order to say there's a win-win outcome," Gifford said.
The United States has its own protected sectors, such as sugar. Dairy is sensitive because the United States produces too much milk for a saturated global market, DFC president Pierre Lampron said in a statement.
The U.S. is not seeking dismantlement of supply management, just greater access and the end of a Canadian system of pricing milk protein ingredients that is undercutting global prices, said Tom Vilsack, chief executive of the U.S. Dairy Export Council and a former U.S. Agriculture Secretary.
"They can continue to have a supply management system, but they can't have the incredibly high tariffs and other barriers and maneuvers that they do to deal with the problems that are created by the supply management system," Vilsack said.
But Gregg Doud, the chief agricultural negotiator in the Office of the United States Trade Representative, told Reuters on Thursday that the U.S. has "very serious concerns about the subsidies and the structure of Canada's dairy industry."
I think the industry is a little overprotected as well
Trump knocks Trudeau in Singapore comments
SINGAPORE - U.S. President Donald Trump says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's assertion that Canada "will not be pushed around" will end up costing Canadians "a lot of money."
Trump gave a wide-ranging news conference in Singapore on Tuesday following his landmark summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, in which the two leaders spoke for several hours.
Among the many topics the president addressed with reporters afterward was his recent Twitter campaign against Trudeau, whom he has called "dishonest" and "weak."
Those comments came after Trudeau's closing news conference at the G7 summit in Quebec on Saturday, when the prime minister said he had pushed back against the Trump administration's tariffs on steel and aluminum.
Trump says he watched that news conference on his way to Singapore, and was upset because he thought he and Trudeau had had a positive meeting in Charlevoix.
Trump says Trudeau "probably didn't know that Air Force One has about 20 televisions. "I see the television and he's giving a news conference about how he 'will not be pushed around' by the United States. And I say, 'Push him around? We just shook hands!'" Trump said Tuesday.
"We finished the (G7) meeting and really everybody was happy."
Trump has consistently railed against what he claims are unfair trade practices by some of America's biggest trade partners, including Canada.
One particular source of his ire recently has been Canada's supply management system, which levels tariffs of up to 300 per cent on imported dairy products.
"It's very unfair to our farmers, and it's very unfair to the people of our country," Trump said Tuesday in Singapore.
"It's very unfair, and it's very unfair to our workers, and I'm gonna straighten it out. And it won't even be tough."
Canadian dairy farmers cling to protections as Trump demands concessions
Canadian dairy farmers want trade negotiators to keep their hands off the protected sector in increasingly contentious talks with the United States, however loudly U.S. President Donald Trump demands greater access, an executive with Canada's biggest dairy lobby group said on Monday. The sector, worth C$21 billion ($16.2 billion) in farm and processed dairy shipment sales, is the target of blistering verbal attacks and Twitter posts from Trump who complains that Canada's tariffs, as high as 314 percent, are unfair to the United States.
Dairy has emerged as the latest flashpoint between the U.S. and Canada as they renegotiate the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement. Trump's attacks accelerated leading up to the weekend Group of Seven summit in Quebec, which ended with Trump withdrawing U.S. support for the G7's communique and criticizing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Dairy "should be off the table for these negotiations," David Wiens, a Manitoba dairy farmer and vice-president of Dairy Farmers of Canada (DFC) said of NAFTA talks.
Canada's 11,000 dairy farmers are concentrated in vote-rich provinces Quebec and Ontario, giving the industry out-sized influence in domestic politics.
In recent trade deals with the European Union and a group of Asia-Pacific nations, Canada conceded larger tariff-free dairy quotas.
But the DFC's stance that it is unwilling to support more concessions may not be reaching politicians.
Trudeau last week said in a U.S. television interview that Canada had "flexibility" on dairy, while U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue told U.S. Farm Report that Canada offered dairy concessions that were insufficient. Trudeau was scheduled to meet with DFC on Monday.
Ten percent of the Canadian dairy market is open to imports, with the rest effectively blocked by massive tariffs. Since the 1970s, Canada has controlled supplies of dairy, poultry and eggs to match domestic consumption, and prices are set by a government corporation and provincial boards.
The DFC's Wiens said giving up further market share would "make it very difficult for us to continue the growth and investment we've seen in the past several years. Opening to the U.S. market would be devastating."
The U.S. Dairy Export Council reported the value of U.S. dairy exports in 2016 as $4.8 billion.
Processors and farmers would be less likely to modernize operations, Wiens said.
With enough concessions, the value of farmers' production quotas, worth about C$25,000 per cow, could fall as other countries gain market share, said Mike Gifford, a retired government official who was Canada's agriculture trade negotiator on NAFTA.
Canada will have to make dairy concessions to get a U.S. trade deal, but it does not have to mean dismantling supply management, Gifford said.
"If you're a negotiator you have to know what's sensitive for the other guy and what does the other guy need to get in order to say there's a win-win outcome," Gifford said.
The United States has its own protected sectors, such as sugar. Dairy is sensitive because the United States produces too much milk for a saturated global market, DFC president Pierre Lampron said in a statement.
The U.S. is not seeking dismantlement of supply management, just greater access and the end of a Canadian system of pricing milk protein ingredients that is undercutting global prices, said Tom Vilsack, chief executive of the U.S. Dairy Export Council and a former U.S. Agriculture Secretary.
"They can continue to have a supply management system, but they can't have the incredibly high tariffs and other barriers and maneuvers that they do to deal with the problems that are created by the supply management system," Vilsack said.
But Gregg Doud, the chief agricultural negotiator in the Office of the United States Trade Representative, told Reuters on Thursday that the U.S. has "very serious concerns about the subsidies and the structure of Canada's dairy industry."
I think the industry is a little overprotected as well
Actually make that international hero.
I think Seth Meyer actually wants to have his babies.
Trump is way over playing his hand on this and he would have been even more insulted if Trudeau said it to his face.
My take on this is that Trump wants to play the role using Canada in hopes that the other trading nations get scared.
.... Chances are is that it will back-fire on him
I'm amazed that many of the US mfgrs that use Canadian steel/aluminum aren't raising hell on this as it will increase their costs proportionally.
Congress makes trade arrangements, not Presidents unless they can claim a national security angle. I'm wondering if when the machinery if the US govenance catches up with events, the tarriffs will be seen by them as illegal.