12 dead in attack on Paris newspaper; France goes on alert

Tecumsehsbones

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I see it as removing members of a known terrorist group.
Only if you regard all Muslims as "a terrorist group."

Yesterday a white guy, possibly a Christian, set off an IED at a NAACP office in Colorado. Is that terrorism? Does it make all whites members of a terrorist group, or all Christians?
 

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Well, for example the new testament says women shouldnt speak without the permission of a man. I suspect most Christians today would not go for that rule. If they did women may not have been able to get the vote given how religious people were at the time when that policy did change.

And if a man strikes your cheek... offer him the other.

Christians and Christianity would be buried in mass graves from the Dark Ages.
 

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Only if you regard all Muslims as "a terrorist group."

Yesterday a white guy, possibly a Christian, set off an IED at a NAACP office in Colorado. Is that terrorism? Does it make all whites members of a terrorist group, or all Christians?

Did he do this because they posted a picture of his leader?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Like fireworks?

Don't you use purple font to denote sarcasm? You're a CanCon vet now.

Unless you believe the two are comparable.
Nope, I don't do "colour-coding for the obtuse." You rarely miss my sarcasm, why worry about those who need training wheels?

Did he do this because they posted a picture of his leader?

No, it was because they committed the unspeakable atrocity of demanding equal treatment in the United States. I guess they deserved it.
 

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Only if you regard all Muslims as "a terrorist group."

Yesterday a white guy, possibly a Christian, set off an IED at a NAACP office in Colorado. Is that terrorism? Does it make all whites members of a terrorist group, or all Christians?

Absolutely it is a terrorist act.

The isolated act of an individual, in opposition to the tenets of his religion (if he is Christian)

Islam encourages terror.

Muslims engage in terror on a daily basis.
 

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Nope, I don't believe in "colour-coding for the obtuse." You rarely miss my sarcasm, why worry about those who need training wheels?

What did you just say! Obtuse!



Absolutely it is a terrorist act.

The isolated act of an individual, in opposition to the tenets of his religion (if he is Christian)

I second.

IF it is a white guy it is most likely because he is a racist bigot and it is a terrorist act.

The notion that it was done in the name of Christianity is a long shot however hopeful some would like it to be.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Absolutely it is a terrorist act.
Yup.

The isolated act of an individual, in opposition to the tenets of his religion (if he is Christian)
Hardly isolated. Need I run down the long history of violence against non-whites in the United States? I assume you're reasonably familiar with it, in broad outline if not in every detail. And I would point out that most of it was committed by people who claimed to be Christians, and some of the worst acts were committed by ordained clergy.

Islam encourages terror.

Muslims engage in terror on a daily basis.
As do Christians. And it is no more accurate to ascribe the acts of Muslim terrorists to all Muslims than it is to ascribe the acts of violent Christians to all Christians.
 

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The war with Islam has grooved up one more notch. We have been at war like it not
since 911 and this will continue until we put boots on the ground where they are in
fact needed overseas or at home. Muslims who abide by the law and fit into the
society they chose to live in I have no problem with. Those who commit criminal acts
or condone or finance criminal acts or terrorism are and should be subject to what
ever laws are required to deal with them. I am not advocating anything special laws I
am stating we need to use the ones we have to the fullest extent.
And yes if some people wherever they are from if they cannot adapt to a cynical society
that pokes fun at everything they should explore new surroundings.
I for one will never bow down to criminals and gangsters masquerading as religious
people be they wild eyed Roman Catholics, Baptists Methodists or plotting Salvation Army
people or Muslims. How many Methodists do you see behaving like this?
It is time for governments to protect their citizens regardless of other sensitivities
 

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I don't see how that makes a difference. People who are killed in a drug-related drive-by or a bank robbery are no less dead than people killed in an ideologically-motivated terrorist attack. And people killed in an ideologically-motivated terrorist attack are no more or less dead when the motivation is Islamic radicalism, white supremacy, non-white racism, misogyny, anti-abortion fanaticism, or any other ideology.

I see no alternative to our current techniques of criminal intelligence-gathering and law enforcement that doesn't raise more problems than it solves.

The difference here is that it is sanctioned by a large group and should be treated as such. They are not simply criminals, they are a cult members which makes them extremely difficult to deal with. The media should be out front in its battle against these people as they have much to lose. As to limiting immigration. I don't think we should stop Muslims from entering our borders, but we should definitely stop extremists from getting in and should be expelling them as well.

This sort of HATE SPEECH should never be allowed in North America.


And Europe is definitely reaping the benefit of allowing this to go on.
 

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Where are the peaceful Islamist that knew about this and didn't call the police to warn us of the attacks?
 

EagleSmack

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The war with Islam has grooved up one more notch. We have been at war like it not
since 911 and this will continue until we put boots on the ground where they are in
fact needed overseas or at home. Muslims who abide by the law and fit into the
society they chose to live in I have no problem with. Those who commit criminal acts
or condone or finance criminal acts or terrorism are and should be subject to what
ever laws are required to deal with them. I am not advocating anything special laws I
am stating we need to use the ones we have to the fullest extent.
And yes if some people wherever they are from if they cannot adapt to a cynical society
that pokes fun at everything they should explore new surroundings.
I for one will never bow down to criminals and gangsters masquerading as religious
people be they wild eyed Roman Catholics, Baptists Methodists or plotting Salvation Army
people or Muslims. How many Methodists do you see behaving like this?
It is time for governments to protect their citizens regardless of other sensitivities

As I have said before... you can pick up your Tea Party Membership Card whenever you wish.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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The difference here is that it is sanctioned by a large group and should be treated as such. They are not simply criminals, they are a cult members which makes them extremely difficult to deal with. The media should be out front in its battle against these people as they have much to lose. As to limiting immigration. I don't think we should stop Muslims from entering our borders, but we should definitely stop extremists from getting in and should be expelling them as well.

This sort of HATE SPEECH should never be allowed in North America.

I disagree. When you start banning "hate speech," you are on the way to banning whatever speech the current government doesn't like. John Stuart Mill and Thomas Jefferson both espoused the idea that freedom of speech allows all the bad ideas to be examined in the light of day, where they can be seen for the bad ideas they are.

I'm not as convinced of the good sense of the body politic as they were, but I consider freedom of speech necessary because no government has ever killed off an idea by repressing it. At least if you let people say all their vile, crazy sh*t openly, you get some pushback.

And again, banning speech is an open invitation for the current political/financial bosses to ban speech critical of them.